Re: Very Basic Help Needed
On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 21:16:17 +0100 Jochen Schulz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] I can't find Samba under the Application button as a program to run or under the Action button as a known command to run? Samba is a protocol and a daemon (a constantly running program without a user interface besides it's configuration files). There are GUI programs to configure it, but they are not part of samba and the don't do anything you cannot do by directly editing your smb.conf. Don't forget smbclient, the command line samba client, and smbfs, the samba filesystem package, for mounting Windows shares onto your linux filesystem. Celejar -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Very Basic Help Needed
Celejar: On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 21:16:17 +0100 Jochen Schulz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] I can't find Samba under the Application button as a program to run or under the Action button as a known command to run? Samba is a protocol and a daemon (a constantly running program without a user interface besides it's configuration files). There are GUI programs to configure it, but they are not part of samba and the don't do anything you cannot do by directly editing your smb.conf. Don't forget smbclient, the command line samba client, and smbfs, the samba filesystem package, for mounting Windows shares onto your linux filesystem. I didn't, but I had the impression the OP was about to set up a SMB server for Windows clients. I might be wrong. J. -- now playing: Radiohead (Amnesiac) - I might be wrong :) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Very Basic Help Needed
Jochen Schulz wrote: Jan Sneep: I can't find Samba under the Application button as a program to run or under the Action button as a known command to run? Samba is a protocol and a daemon (a constantly running program without a user interface besides it's configuration files). There are GUI programs to configure it, but they are not part of samba I don't know if it's a GUI program, but swat could be considered as a part of samba. and the don't do anything you cannot do by directly editing your smb.conf. ... and spending three days of reading the docs. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Very Basic Help Needed
Hi, I managed to download and successfully run the latest stable NetInstall version last week-end, but now I'm having a very frustrating time finding documentation on how to some pretty basic stuff. I managed to find http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/wiki/Installing_Samba_Linux/Windows_networking which was sort of helpful ... unfortunately the documentation doesn't explain what the various things are or how to get them running ... the GUI desktop appears after I log in and I used the Action - Run window to do the install samba etc command, which I assume worked as I didn't get any error messages ... then once I figured out how to log in as root by changing the options ... as an aside why would the default be to NOT allow the root user to log in? Once I could log in as root then I managed to edit the /etc/inetd.conf to remove the #off# in front of the SWAT entry at the bottom of the file [I double-clicked on Computer then found the /etc folder and then right-clicked the inetd.conf file to edit it] ...Once I re-booted the machine the Windows machines on the network could see the Debian machine ... Another aside - What is SWAT and why does it need to be turned on so Windows machines can see the Debian machine? I can't find Samba under the Application button as a program to run or under the Action button as a known command to run? I'm assuming that this will present a tree of the file folders and files so I can specify which users or groups have access to specific folders? Is there no way to simply share a folder and it's sub-folders with or without a password to all users on the LAN regardless of their USER ID or do I have to create a User for everyone using the LAN? The Newbie Doc mentioned above seems to indicate that I have to make sure that I have passwords on the Windows machines that are the same as those I need to create on the Debian machine. What happens if I'm not using passwords on the Windows machines? Do I need to create them? or can I just share the folder without passwords? I haven't looked at trying to find drivers for my two printers yet, but in a recent post I see someone mentioning running a CUPS configuration wizard of some kind to setup the printers. Where would I find that under Applications or Actions? Any other suggestions for finding documentation for Newbies or any recommendations for books that I might try to find at the library would be appreciated. Cheers, Jan -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.17.36/681 - Release Date: 2007.02.11 6:50 PM -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Very Basic Help Needed
* Jan Sneep [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070212 10:35]: I managed to find http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/wiki/Installing_Samba_Linux/Windows_networking which was sort of helpful ... unfortunately the documentation doesn't explain what the various things are or how to get them running ... If you are messing around with Window$ and Samba, you need the second edition of the O'Reilly book Using Samba; nothing else comes close. The book has been published on-line, and is accessible without charge at http://www.faqs.org/docs/samba/toc.html. RLH -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Very Basic Help Needed
On Monday 12 February 2007 17:34, Jan Sneep wrote: Hi, I managed to download and successfully run the latest stable NetInstall version last week-end, but now I'm having a very frustrating time finding documentation on how to some pretty basic stuff. I haven't looked at trying to find drivers for my two printers yet, but in a recent post I see someone mentioning running a CUPS configuration wizard of some kind to setup the printers. Where would I find that under Applications or Actions? In a webbrowser type localhost:631 . This will bring up the CUPS interface. This is presuming that CUPS is installed, which should be. Nigel. Cheers, Jan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Very Basic Help Needed
On Mon, Feb 12, 2007 at 11:34:04AM -0500, Jan Sneep wrote: Hi, Hi! I managed to download and successfully run the latest stable NetInstall version last week-end, but now I'm having a very frustrating time finding documentation on how to some pretty basic stuff. congratulations. Its scary, but its gets better... I managed to find http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/wiki/Installing_Samba_Linux/Windows_networking which was sort of helpful ... unfortunately the documentation doesn't explain what the various things are or how to get them running ... the GUI desktop appears after I log in and I used the Action - Run window to do the install samba etc command, which I assume worked as I didn't get any error messages ... instead of using the Run window, try using a terminal emulator. This is a window that contains a command line interface (like the windows MS-Dos window). There are many terminal emulators. you most likely have at least xterm if not others already installed. You should run these command line things (apt-get install...) from a command line so that you can see the output the program generates. otherwise, often-times, a Run window will hide the output from you and you won't know what's going on. Also, learning the command line, at least a little, is kind of important in linux. many of the programs you use in a gui are actually command line programs with a gui tacked on the front. They can still be run from the command line if you want. Also, if something happens to break the whole gui interface, you will still be able to use the computer and fix it up, provided you are at least masically comfortable using the command line. then once I figured out how to log in as root by changing the options ... as an aside why would the default be to NOT allow the root user to log in? the GUI is not set up for root usage. There are too many dangerous factors involved that could hose the whole system if you log into the GUI as root. If you need to do things as root, pull up an xterm and enter 'su' without the quotes. It will prompt you for the root password and 's'witch 'u'sers to root. Then you may do stuff as root, typing 'exit' when you are done to switch back to your regular user. This behavior allows you to segregate everyday computing tasks from system administration tasks making for a safer operation. [... snipped SWAT stuff about which I know naught] I can't find Samba under the Application button as a program to run or under the Action button as a known command to run? I'm assuming that this will present a tree of the file folders and files so I can specify which users or groups have access to specific folders? Is there no way to simply share a folder and it's sub-folders with or without a password to all users on the LAN regardless of their USER ID or do I have to create a User for everyone using the LAN? The Newbie Doc mentioned above seems to indicate that I have to make sure that I have passwords on the Windows machines that are the same as those I need to create on the Debian machine. What happens if I'm not using passwords on the Windows machines? Do I need to create them? or can I just share the folder without passwords? Samba is essentially a communications protocol that allows machines to talk to each other over the network. it is not a program as such. Depending on what GUI you are using, there may be various options that make it as easy as clickiong your way through to share stuff, but if not, it is not difficult to share stuff by editing /etc/smb.conf. I think you can pretty much turn off all the checking as well so that just about anybody can view your stuff (not very secure). I haven't looked at trying to find drivers for my two printers yet, but in a recent post I see someone mentioning running a CUPS configuration wizard of some kind to setup the printers. Where would I find that under Applications or Actions? localhost:631 in a web browser, or there are various printer configuration wizards, depending on what GUI you are using (sounds like gnome?). Applications-system-printing, or maybe Desktop-admin-printing, not sure as I don't use gnome. hth A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Very Basic Help Needed
Jan Sneep: I managed to download and successfully run the latest stable NetInstall version last week-end, but now I'm having a very frustrating time finding documentation on how to some pretty basic stuff. Hm, ok. First things first: it is better not to reply to a message on this list if you start a completely new subject (a thread, in e-mail terms). Then: while not perfect, the Debian Reference from http://www.us.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#quick-reference should give you a lot of hints about basic and advanced usage in your preferred language. Beware that most (if not all) of this is very command-line- centric. Get used to it, you'll love it. I managed to find http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/wiki/Installing_Samba_Linux/Windows_networking which was sort of helpful ... unfortunately the documentation doesn't explain what the various things are or how to get them running ... the GUI desktop appears after I log in and I used the Action - Run window to do the install samba etc command, which I assume worked as I didn't get any error messages ... That's strange since I cannot imagine that this command could be executed successfully. However, it is better to do these things on the command line. To give you a few more hints: first make sure that samba is already installed. Use the command 'dpkg -l samba' (in a terminal, on the command line). On my machine this gives: $ dpkg -l samba Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) ||/ Name Version Description +++--- un sambanone (no description available) 'un' in the beginning of the last line means that I do not have samba installed (whoops, didn't even know that). If it was installed, there would be 'ii' in the same place. If you do not have samba installed, you can do so by running 'aptitude install samba'. You can then go ahead and configure it by editing /etc/samba/smb.conf /or/ by clicking on Desktop - Administration - File Sharing (at least I think so). then once I figured out how to log in as root by changing the options ... as an aside why would the default be to NOT allow the root user to log in? As someone else already pointed out, this is considered to be dangerous. You should always use an account with limited permissions (to read, write, install files etc.) so that human error or malice cannot hose your complete system. Linux (and Gnome, your desktop environment) make this quite easy. Either you do root-things only in terminals where you use 'su' to become the super user or you use the administration menu and let Gnome ask for root's password. [SWAT in inetd.conf] To be honest, I have no idea what this is and I have never used it. Mounting remote shares from windows machines and vice versa doesn't need it, I am quite sure about that. But maybe it makes it possible for Windows machines to automatically detect your linux system. I can't find Samba under the Application button as a program to run or under the Action button as a known command to run? Samba is a protocol and a daemon (a constantly running program without a user interface besides it's configuration files). There are GUI programs to configure it, but they are not part of samba and the don't do anything you cannot do by directly editing your smb.conf. I'm assuming that this will present a tree of the file folders and files so I can specify which users or groups have access to specific folders? Is there no way to simply share a folder and it's sub-folders with or without a password to all users on the LAN regardless of their USER ID or do I have to create a User for everyone using the LAN? This should be possible but I have never done that. The Newbie Doc mentioned above seems to indicate that I have to make sure that I have passwords on the Windows machines that are the same as those I need to create on the Debian machine. What happens if I'm not using passwords on the Windows machines? Do I need to create them? or can I just share the folder without passwords? You can, but having the same passwords on the client and the server makes it easy for users to use your samba shares without entering a password while still using one. When Windows accesses a samba share and needs credentials (username/password), it doesn't immediately bother to ask the user but first tries the local credentials. When they work, the user doesn't even notice that authentication has happened. Any other suggestions for finding documentation for Newbies or any recommendations for books that I might try to find at the library would be appreciated. http://debian.org/doc should be your first starting point. Another one might be http://wiki.debian.org/. J. -- I am not scared of death but terrified of people
[SOLVED] Re: Basic help with HP5440 inkjet?
I eventually found a conflict between the printer and a logitech quickcam I also had plugged into the machine. Once I removed the quickcam, the printer worked perfectly. So, this still begs the question of why they conflict, but it's a problem I can put on the back burner for now. Jerry Quinn Jerry Quinn wrote: Hi, all. I bought an HP 5440 based on the recommendations of linuxprinting.org. So far I've had no success getting the printer to work, though. At the moment, I suspect something at the USB level. This is on etch testing as of today. When I plug the printer in, I see the following in kernel.log: Feb 13 23:31:16 smaug kernel: usb 3-1: USB disconnect, address 3 Feb 13 23:31:19 smaug kernel: usb 3-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 4 When I try to create a cups printer queue for the HP, the only URI offered of type hp: is hp:/no_device_found, which isn't so useful and doesn't work, of course. There's a tool called hp-probe which seems to be designed for locating printers. When I run it with debug logging, I get the following: smaug:~# hp-probe --logging=debug -busb HP Linux Imaging and Printing System (ver. 0.9.7) Device Detection (Probe) Utility ver. 1.3 Copyright (c) 2003-5 Hewlett-Packard Development Company, LP This software comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY. This is free software, and you are welcome to distribute it under certain conditions. See COPYING file for more details. [DEBUG]: Sending data on channel (3) [DEBUG]: 'msg=probedevicesfiltered\nfilter=none\nbus=usb\nformat=cups\ntimeout=5\nttl=4\n' [DEBUG]: Reading data on channel (3) [DEBUG]: 'msg=probedevicesfilteredresult\nresult-code=0\nnum-devices=0\nencoding=none\nlength=0\ndata:\n' [WARNING]: No devices found. If this isn't the result you are expecting, [WARNING]: check to make sure your devices are properly connected. smaug:~# -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Basic help with HP5440 ink?
On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 11:44:51PM -0500, Jerry Quinn wrote: Hi, all. I bought an HP 5440 based on the recommendations of linuxprinting.org. So far I've had no success getting the printer to work, though. At the moment, I suspect something at the USB level. This is on etch testing as of today. When I plug the printer in, I see the following in kernel.log: Feb 13 23:31:16 smaug kernel: usb 3-1: USB disconnect, address 3 Feb 13 23:31:19 smaug kernel: usb 3-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 4 Something is showing up on USB. Hi, Do you have usblp module loaded (modprobe usblp)? When I plug my 2355 in, I see something like: Jan 27 12:56:34 server kernel: drivers/usb/class/usblp.c: usblp0: USB Bidirectional printer dev 3 if 1 alt 0 proto 2 vid 0x03F0 pid 0x4911 Jan 27 12:56:34 server kernel: scsi3 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices Jan 27 12:56:34 server kernel: usb-storage: device found at 3 Jan 27 12:56:34 server kernel: usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning Jan 27 12:56:39 server kernel: Vendor: HPModel: PSC 2355 Rev: 1.00 Jan 27 12:56:39 server kernel: Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 Jan 27 12:56:39 server kernel: sd 3:0:0:0: Attached scsi removable disk sdc Jan 27 12:56:39 server kernel: sd 3:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg2 type 0 Jan 27 12:56:39 server kernel: usb-storage: device scan complete Those disk / mass storage entries are there b/c 2355 has some card readers in it. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance Jerry Quinn Simo -- :r ~/.signature signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Basic help with HP5440 ink?
Simo Kauppi wrote: On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 11:44:51PM -0500, Jerry Quinn wrote: Hi, all. I bought an HP 5440 based on the recommendations of linuxprinting.org. So far I've had no success getting the printer to work, though. At the moment, I suspect something at the USB level. This is on etch testing as of today. When I plug the printer in, I see the following in kernel.log: Feb 13 23:31:16 smaug kernel: usb 3-1: USB disconnect, address 3 Feb 13 23:31:19 smaug kernel: usb 3-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 4 Something is showing up on USB. Hi, Do you have usblp module loaded (modprobe usblp)? Thanks for replying. No it wasn't loaded. To try, I manually modprobe'd usblp, then unplugged and plugged in the printer again. The kernel log is below, followed by the output of hp-probe, which hasn't changed, unfortunately. The usblp module clearly recognizes the printer, so it seems like the issues are elsewhere. First, why doesn't usblp automatically get invoked? Second, why is hp-probe ignoring my printer? Thanks again, Jerry smaug:~# tail -f /var/log/kern.log Feb 13 23:31:16 smaug kernel: usb 3-1: USB disconnect, address 3 Feb 13 23:31:19 smaug kernel: usb 3-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 4 Feb 15 20:39:22 smaug kernel: drivers/usb/class/usblp.c: usblp0: USB Bidirectional printer dev 4 if 0 alt 0 proto 2 vid 0x03F0 pid 0x8604 Feb 15 20:39:22 smaug kernel: usbcore: registered new driver usblp Feb 15 20:39:22 smaug kernel: drivers/usb/class/usblp.c: v0.13: USB Printer Device Class driver Feb 15 21:03:40 smaug kernel: usb 3-1: USB disconnect, address 4 Feb 15 21:03:40 smaug kernel: drivers/usb/class/usblp.c: usblp0: removed Feb 15 21:03:43 smaug kernel: usb 3-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 5 Feb 15 21:03:43 smaug kernel: drivers/usb/class/usblp.c: usblp0: USB Bidirectional printer dev 5 if 0 alt 0 proto 2 vid 0x03F0 pid 0x8604 smaug:~# hp-probe --logging=debug -busb HP Linux Imaging and Printing System (ver. 0.9.7) Device Detection (Probe) Utility ver. 1.3 Copyright (c) 2003-5 Hewlett-Packard Development Company, LP This software comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY. This is free software, and you are welcome to distribute it under certain conditions. See COPYING file for more details. [DEBUG]: Sending data on channel (3) [DEBUG]: 'msg=probedevicesfiltered\nfilter=none\nbus=usb\nformat=cups\ntimeout=5\nttl=4\n' [DEBUG]: Reading data on channel (3) [DEBUG]: 'msg=probedevicesfilteredresult\nresult-code=0\nnum-devices=0\nencoding=none\nlength=0\ndata:\n' [WARNING]: No devices found. If this isn't the result you are expecting, [WARNING]: check to make sure your devices are properly connected. smaug:~# -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Basic help with HP5440 ink?
Hi, all. I bought an HP 5440 based on the recommendations of linuxprinting.org. So far I've had no success getting the printer to work, though. At the moment, I suspect something at the USB level. This is on etch testing as of today. When I plug the printer in, I see the following in kernel.log: Feb 13 23:31:16 smaug kernel: usb 3-1: USB disconnect, address 3 Feb 13 23:31:19 smaug kernel: usb 3-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 4 Something is showing up on USB. I already have cups and can print to a network postscript laser printer from the same machine, so the basics of cups are OK. Based on what I can discover, I've installed: hplips hpijs hplip-ppds foomatic-db-hpijs When I try to create a cups printer queue for the HP, the only URI offered of type hp: is hp:/no_device_found, which isn't so useful and doesn't work, of course. There's a tool called hp-probe which seems to be designed for locating printers. When I run it with debug logging, I get the following: smaug:~# hp-probe --logging=debug -busb HP Linux Imaging and Printing System (ver. 0.9.7) Device Detection (Probe) Utility ver. 1.3 Copyright (c) 2003-5 Hewlett-Packard Development Company, LP This software comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY. This is free software, and you are welcome to distribute it under certain conditions. See COPYING file for more details. [DEBUG]: Sending data on channel (3) [DEBUG]: 'msg=probedevicesfiltered\nfilter=none\nbus=usb\nformat=cups\ntimeout=5\nttl=4\n' [DEBUG]: Reading data on channel (3) [DEBUG]: 'msg=probedevicesfilteredresult\nresult-code=0\nnum-devices=0\nencoding=none\nlength=0\ndata:\n' [WARNING]: No devices found. If this isn't the result you are expecting, [WARNING]: check to make sure your devices are properly connected. smaug:~# Unfortunately, this isn't very enlightening to me. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance Jerry Quinn -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need basic help with KDE Wallet
On Saturday, 10 December 2005 at 16:28:42 -0700, Paul E Condon wrote: On Sat, Dec 10, 2005 at 12:50:44PM -0800, David E. Fox wrote: On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 12:37:28 -0700 Paul E Condon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was confronted recently with a request for the password of my KDE Wallet. I didn't know I had one. I guessed my logon password for Debian, but that [...] kwallet and/or kwalletmanager (the menu entry (Settings-Wallet Management Tool runs kwalletmanager %u - at least in 3.4.2) don't seem to do anything by themselves - both start here and immediately terminate, so I'm seeing the same behavior you are. My puzzlement began when a window popped up asking for a password. I have no recollection of setting up a password for a secure repository. If I did, how would I recover the password, or expunge the repository? How do I know it is working for me, and not for someone else? I certainly don't have control over it. That is the main reason I stopped using KDE. I couldn't see any way to get rid of the thing. Now, I'm really pleased -- much prefer the terser desktops of icewm and windowmaker (and their quick startup), even though I still use a handfull of KDE apps. Recommended! -- richard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need basic help with KDE Wallet, added question
Hi Paul, Paul E Condon wrote: On Sat, Dec 10, 2005 at 12:37:28PM -0700, Paul E Condon wrote: I was confronted recently with a request for the password of my KDE Wallet. I didn't know I had one. I guessed my logon password for Debian, but that didn't seem to work (seem because I had no idea why the request was made, or by what module). I decided to try to undersand, but I am confused. KWallet Manager docs also say that A system tray icon indicates that a wallet is open. What is the system tray? I can't find a definition or an example image. The system tray is part of the KDE panel, i.e. the bar which has the button for the K menu, other icons, maybe a clock, etc. It might be disabled on your system. You should be able to turn it on by right clicking on an empty spot of the panel and selecting add to panel applet system tray. If this point is grayed out in this menu that means it is already activated. If you suspect that there is a configuration problem, it might help to deactivate it (remove from panel applet system tray) and activate it again. The system tray itself is invisible, but can be filled with all sorts of useful icons, for example to access klipper (a clipboard management tool), KDE notes (sticky notes for your desktop), the K-organizer for tasks and appointments, etc. If the system tray is activated, you should be able to get the icon for the wallet manager by selecting K menu settings wallet management tool. Make sure, however, that your settings in K menu control center security privacy KDE wallet allow the icon to be displayed, i.e. check the box show manager in system tray and uncheck the box hide system tray icon when last wallet closes. The icon itself looks like a wallet, opened or closed depending on the status of the wallet manager. If you left click on this icon, a window should open which displays all existing wallets and allows you to access and manage them (e.g. adding and deleting wallets with a right click context menu). Since you seem to have inadvertently set an unknown password for the standard wallet it will probably be best if you delete it and generate it again as a new wallet. You should then be prompted to type your password twice (as usual when setting new passwords). The wallet password can and should be different from your user password. Afterwards you can go to the control center again and tell KDE to use the new wallet by default. (It will probably do that anyway if there is only one wallet.) If you suspect a configuration problem, you can start from scratch by deleting the file ~/.kde/share/config/kwalletrc and the directory ~/.kde/share/apps/kwallet. (These will be recreated automatically from default templates when they are needed again.) Before you do that it might be worthwhile to create a new clean user and see if the wallet system works when you log in as this user, just to be certain that the problem is caused by the configuration files and not by something else. I hope this helps you to get the KDE wallet system working. It is a really handy feature: A central repository for all KDE applications to store and manage passwords in a secure way. (The information is encrypted on the harddisk.) Whenever you have to type a password in Konqueror, for example, you are prompted if you want to add it to the wallet and the next time you access this webpage (or other resource) again it will be automatically retrieved. It is also possible to add your own items to any existing wallet, for example to store credit card numbers in a safe way (e.g. on a laptop which might get stolen). Best regards, Florian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need basic help with KDE Wallet
On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 08:44 pm, Richard Lyons wrote: On Saturday, 10 December 2005 at 16:28:42 -0700, Paul E Condon wrote: On Sat, Dec 10, 2005 at 12:50:44PM -0800, David E. Fox wrote: On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 12:37:28 -0700 Paul E Condon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was confronted recently with a request for the password of my KDE Wallet. I didn't know I had one. I guessed my logon password for Debian, but that [...] kwallet and/or kwalletmanager (the menu entry (Settings-Wallet Management Tool runs kwalletmanager %u - at least in 3.4.2) don't seem to do anything by themselves - both start here and immediately terminate, so I'm seeing the same behavior you are. My puzzlement began when a window popped up asking for a password. I have no recollection of setting up a password for a secure repository. If I did, how would I recover the password, or expunge the repository? How do I know it is working for me, and not for someone else? I certainly don't have control over it. That is the main reason I stopped using KDE. I couldn't see any way to get rid of the thing. Now, I'm really pleased -- much prefer the terser desktops of icewm and windowmaker (and their quick startup), even though I still use a handfull of KDE apps. Recommended! -- richard If you really don't want it, try removing it from here, and see what happens? /home/user/.kde/share/apps/kwallet I use it for not all that important passwords, and select never for this site when I don't want it to save a particular password. Just another app that you can use or not as you choose. Neither good nor bad, unless you judge it so. -- Registered Linux User:- 329524 +++ He who distinguishes the true savor of his food can never be a glutton; he who does not cannot be otherwise. .Henry David Thoreau *** Debian Sarge 3.1.. loving it ___ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need basic help with KDE Wallet, added question: (both) SOLVED
On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 at 04:39:34PM +0100, Florian Kulzer wrote: Hi Paul, Paul E Condon wrote: On Sat, Dec 10, 2005 at 12:37:28PM -0700, Paul E Condon wrote: I was confronted recently with a request for the password of my KDE Wallet. I didn't know I had one. I guessed my logon password for Debian, but that didn't seem to work (seem because I had no idea why the request was made, or by what module). I decided to try to undersand, but I am confused. KWallet Manager docs also say that A system tray icon indicates that a wallet is open. What is the system tray? I can't find a definition or an example image. The system tray is part of the KDE panel, i.e. the bar which has the button for the K menu, other icons, maybe a clock, etc. It might be disabled on your system. You should be able to turn it on by right clicking on an empty spot of the panel and selecting add to panel applet system tray. If this point is grayed out in this menu that means it is already activated. If you suspect that there is a configuration problem, it might help to deactivate it (remove from panel applet system tray) and activate it again. The system tray itself is invisible, but can be filled with all sorts of useful icons, for example to access klipper (a clipboard management tool), KDE notes (sticky notes for your desktop), the K-organizer for tasks and appointments, etc. If the system tray is activated, you should be able to get the icon for the wallet manager by selecting K menu settings wallet management tool. Make sure, however, that your settings in K menu control center security privacy KDE wallet allow the icon to be displayed, i.e. check the box show manager in system tray and uncheck the box hide system tray icon when last wallet closes. The icon itself looks like a wallet, opened or closed depending on the status of the wallet manager. If you left click on this icon, a window should open which displays all existing wallets and allows you to access and manage them (e.g. adding and deleting wallets with a right click context menu). Since you seem to have inadvertently set an unknown password for the standard wallet it will probably be best if you delete it and generate it again as a new wallet. You should then be prompted to type your password twice (as usual when setting new passwords). The wallet password can and should be different from your user password. Afterwards you can go to the control center again and tell KDE to use the new wallet by default. (It will probably do that anyway if there is only one wallet.) If you suspect a configuration problem, you can start from scratch by deleting the file ~/.kde/share/config/kwalletrc and the directory ~/.kde/share/apps/kwallet. (These will be recreated automatically from default templates when they are needed again.) Before you do that it might be worthwhile to create a new clean user and see if the wallet system works when you log in as this user, just to be certain that the problem is caused by the configuration files and not by something else. I hope this helps you to get the KDE wallet system working. It is a really handy feature: A central repository for all KDE applications to store and manage passwords in a secure way. (The information is encrypted on the harddisk.) Whenever you have to type a password in Konqueror, for example, you are prompted if you want to add it to the wallet and the next time you access this webpage (or other resource) again it will be automatically retrieved. It is also possible to add your own items to any existing wallet, for example to store credit card numbers in a safe way (e.g. on a laptop which might get stolen). Best regards, Florian This is really a great answer! I didn't have a 'system tray' in my panel. I don't know why. I don't recall ever seeing it. It's been a long time since I originally installed KDE. Maybe I did it when Sarge was in early testing, and the system tray was temporarily not part of the Debian package. Maybe ... Anyway, I now have a system tray and access to the wallet. And I have a much better grasp of the KDE way. Thanks! -- Paul E Condon [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Need basic help with KDE Wallet
I was confronted recently with a request for the password of my KDE Wallet. I didn't know I had one. I guessed my logon password for Debian, but that didn't seem to work (seem because I had no idea why the request was made, or by what module). I decided to try to undersand, but I am confused. The KDE documentation describes a KWallet Manager, but that offers instructions which I cannot follow without some help. For example, under heading The KWallet Manager Context Menu, the first line is: Right clicking on a wallet offers the following functions: This seems to inply that a wallet is represented by a visible icon, but I can't find one to right-click on. What am I missing? The KDE control center tells me that there already exists a wallet named kdewallet and gives me an opportunity to create a new wallet. But it does not seem to give me access to this wallet. How do I learn the contents of a wallet? Again, I think there must be an icon somewhere, but I can't find it. The KDE Wallet Manager seems to have the file name kwallet. I can find this in the settings menu, but clicking on it doesn't seem to start anything. Or maybe it starts and aborts too quickly for me to see. How do I start KWallet Manager independent of a specific wallet? Is this a meaningful question within the KDE conceptual universe? If it is very obvious, please be gentle. -- Paul E Condon [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need basic help with KDE Wallet, added question
On Sat, Dec 10, 2005 at 12:37:28PM -0700, Paul E Condon wrote: I was confronted recently with a request for the password of my KDE Wallet. I didn't know I had one. I guessed my logon password for Debian, but that didn't seem to work (seem because I had no idea why the request was made, or by what module). I decided to try to undersand, but I am confused. The KDE documentation describes a KWallet Manager, but that offers instructions which I cannot follow without some help. For example, under heading The KWallet Manager Context Menu, the first line is: Right clicking on a wallet offers the following functions: This seems to inply that a wallet is represented by a visible icon, but I can't find one to right-click on. What am I missing? The KDE control center tells me that there already exists a wallet named kdewallet and gives me an opportunity to create a new wallet. But it does not seem to give me access to this wallet. How do I learn the contents of a wallet? Again, I think there must be an icon somewhere, but I can't find it. The KDE Wallet Manager seems to have the file name kwallet. I can find this in the settings menu, but clicking on it doesn't seem to start anything. Or maybe it starts and aborts too quickly for me to see. How do I start KWallet Manager independent of a specific wallet? Is this a meaningful question within the KDE conceptual universe? If it is very obvious, please be gentle. KWallet Manager docs also say that A system tray icon indicates that a wallet is open. What is the system tray? I can't find a definition or an example image. -- Paul E Condon [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need basic help with KDE Wallet
On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 12:37:28 -0700 Paul E Condon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was confronted recently with a request for the password of my KDE Wallet. I didn't know I had one. I guessed my logon password for Debian, but that kdewallet normally stores passwords for web pages and other secure places (think of your online banking password etc.) I usually don't see any wallet icon on the kicker bar. Normally the wallet manager is there if there is an active wallet request, such as opening your personal banking webpage. Then it should bring up a window asking for the wallet password. kwallet and/or kwalletmanager (the menu entry (Settings-Wallet Management Tool runs kwalletmanager %u - at least in 3.4.2) don't seem to do anything by themselves - both start here and immediately terminate, so I'm seeing the same behavior you are. -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need basic help with KDE Wallet
On Sat, Dec 10, 2005 at 12:50:44PM -0800, David E. Fox wrote: On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 12:37:28 -0700 Paul E Condon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was confronted recently with a request for the password of my KDE Wallet. I didn't know I had one. I guessed my logon password for Debian, but that kdewallet normally stores passwords for web pages and other secure places (think of your online banking password etc.) I usually don't see any wallet icon on the kicker bar. Normally the wallet manager is there if there is an active wallet request, such as opening your personal banking webpage. Then it should bring up a window asking for the wallet password. kwallet and/or kwalletmanager (the menu entry (Settings-Wallet Management Tool runs kwalletmanager %u - at least in 3.4.2) don't seem to do anything by themselves - both start here and immediately terminate, so I'm seeing the same behavior you are. My puzzlement began when a window popped up asking for a password. I have no recollection of setting up a password for a secure repository. If I did, how would I recover the password, or expunge the repository? How do I know it is working for me, and not for someone else? I certainly don't have control over it. -- Paul E Condon [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BASIC HELP
Once you get the $ prompt you can do whatever you need to do. So, what you want to do ? You mentioned trying to send email. I think that the basic text command to send email is mail. Therefor, if you want to email yourself, you can try: $ mail -s $(date) - trying to email myself $USER /dev/null And then you can type mail to activate the basic text mail reader (in it, ? will show you some help) Hopefully, smail is configured well enough to do it. You can test it by issuing (from the $ prompt) /usr/sbin/smailtest --localonly. that is: $ /usr/sbin/smailtest --localonly and answer y to the question it will ask. It seems to me that are missing Win 98 graphical enviorment. Linux has something like it (The X window system). But, I suggest that before you install it, you will learn more from the Linux books you have. Also, learn a bit about dselect' so that you'll be able to install some games and other applications that I believe you are curious about. Some of these doesn't necceseraly needs the graphical X enviorment, but you'll need to know more about dselect to be able to decide if this is the case for a particular program you are interested in. I am a NEW. I have successfully installed Debian 2.0 from CD on my computer with Win 98. I have a 1,900 Mb Linux Native and 190 Mb Linux Swap. I am the only user on it; there is no connected network. I log on and get the '$' prompt and except for a few things like vi and emacs I can do nothing. For example, I answered the queries for smail yet from root or /usr/bin/ I get the error message saying bad command when I enter 'smail' I even can list smail, see it listed and get the same error message when enter smail. I list RXW permission I ls -l I have 4 Linux books and none of them say what I should do once I get the $ prompt! Mounting a filesystem didn't seem to help but I may not have done that right. There is something VERY basic I am missing, the books don't mention it. Please tell me what to do, or where to go to find basic tutorial help.
Re: BASIC HELP
On Tue, 8 Sep 1998, BOB'S MAIL wrote: I log on and get the '$' prompt and except for a few things like vi and emacs I can do nothing. For example, I answered the queries for smail yet from root or /usr/bin/ I get the error message saying bad command when I enter 'smail' I even can list smail, see it listed and get the same error message when enter smail. I list RXW permission I ls -l In unix, the current working directory is not searched for executables, unless you put it explicitly in your PATH variable. By default, this isn't the case on Debian systems. Try echo $PATH and check that there is no . in the list of :-separated directories. If you type export PATH=$PATH:. then your working directory will be in the search path. Smail is actually in /usr/sbin and that directory is most likely not in your path either. Unless you're root, you won't really need any of the programs in the /sbin and /usr/sbin directories. Smail is not a user front-end program, but a mail transport agent that runs in the background, waiting for programs to connect to it while it listens on your system's TCP/IP port 25. Only root can bind to that port, so it's not much use trying to run smail as normal user anyway. Not that it would make much sense for root either to read or write mail using smail, sendmail, qmail or exim directly. What you want is a program like elm, mutt, pine, mh, xmh or emacs. I have 4 Linux books and none of them say what I should do once I get the $ prompt! Mounting a filesystem didn't seem to help but I may not have done that right. There is something VERY basic I am missing, the books don't mention it. When you're at the shell prompt, you're not supposed to do anything. You can do a lot of things, but that all depends on what you want to do. For example type ls to see a listing of files. Type man ls to read the ls manpage. Type man bash to read the shell's manpage. Please tell me what to do, or where to go to find basic tutorial help. Read a book about the bash shell. Read a book about general unix. Surf to sunsite.unc.edu/LDP, www.ugu.com or www.geek-girl.com. Look at the Debian web site at www.debian.org, there are some documents somewhere. Look in /usr/doc, every package has some files in a directory under /usr/doc. Install the doc-linux-text or doc-linux-html package and read some howto's (especially the dos2unix howto,) or read them online on sunsite. Install the package dwww on your computer, to browse your system's online documentation more conveniently. Try a general book on unix first, that will give you an overview and make you feel more comfortable. If you already have some dos experience, read the dos2unix howto, that might explain a lot in a relatively short time. Cheers, Joost
BASIC HELP
I am a NEW. I have successfully installed Debian 2.0 from CD on my computer with Win 98. I have a 1,900 Mb Linux Native and 190 Mb Linux Swap. I am the only user on it; there is no connected network. I log on and get the '$' prompt and except for a few things like vi and emacs I can do nothing. For example, I answered the queries for smail yet from root or /usr/bin/ I get the error message saying bad command when I enter 'smail' I even can list smail, see it listed and get the same error message when enter smail. I list RXW permission I ls -l I have 4 Linux books and none of them say what I should do once I get the $ prompt! Mounting a filesystem didn't seem to help but I may not have done that right. There is something VERY basic I am missing, the books don't mention it. Please tell me what to do, or where to go to find basic tutorial help. Bob Barth e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
