Re: Banner server avoidence
Hi, > Blocking out banner ads, while understandable, is not really moving toward > a solution. Aha. excuse me why not ? Why do you think debian is a success ? Because people like to do it this way. Without being influenced by anything commercial. Do you remember the days of the internet where sites were driven by enthusiastic people not craving for money by selling ad space ? > We are all sick of primetime television-style advertising. What is needed > is a way for buyers to make the first move and opt in to a stream of highly > focused and targeted information that, for the seller, will result in the > sales of products and services. Properly executed, sellers will like this > because of the very high percentage of sales they make -- these will be the > quintessential qualified prospects. Buyers will like it because they won't > be bombarded with sales pitches for products of no interest to them. I typically, or better to say, in all cases ever ignore ads. They simply steal my time which is very valuable. If that means that sites have to close because they can't make any money out of me. May it be. I myself have a page dedicated to linux. A couple of visits once in a while, but depsite free spech ads of freepatents I do not burden my readers with ads. I simply do the site. It is not much, not sophisticated, no fancy flash anims nada. Pure information, and I certainly don't want to earn something from it. Banning ads is the way to go. With all consequences. If I like ads, I want them, I want being informed then I opt in. No selective reading required to oversee ads. If I would like to buy a product via the internet, then I search for it. I do not want to be disturbed by companies who like to sell me services. And I certainly don't want this U.S. thing where they call you at home and ask for the person paying for the telephone, trying to convince to change for long distance. It is annoying, they steal my time. Same with spam, they do it on my time (I have to download it and delete it). Banner ads are the same, as soon as sites are to crammed up, I stop visiting them. I think that a lot people think the same. Greetings Michael Meding
Re: Banner server avoidence
Given that banner ads have many objectionable features -- waiting for the damned things to show up from a remote server being the most egregious -- I am wondering what would be a better way for companies to tell us about their products. Rick Lehrbaum, on his site, linuxdevices.com, sold vendor sponsorships. This has very low impact on readers and is ideal for community sites like debian.org to bring in revenue. But it works best for companies whose names are easily recognizable. And it's worthless to push specific products. In the original design for Linux Today, I planned to deliver ads inline with the newsfeed. In the end, it was more feasible to sell banner ads because they were easy to sell -- companies came to us asking to buy banner advertising space. I still think the inline idea would be a great way to go, but at the moment I don't have a Web site to try it out on. For a newsfeed type site, we could have something like: item blah blah... item blah blah... Looking for the best tape backup? Click here! item blah blah... Being all text, there would be no access overhead. The effort to skip the item if you're not interested is also very low overhead. The Web site design could be much simpler, possibly avoiding graphics altogether. It would be perfect for getting a advertiser-supported newsfeed on a PDA or cellphone. Of course, that would be only the beginning. The ad link could take you to a place where you could genuinely shop for tape backup products rather than steer you to just one vendor's alternative. The Internet is a great opportunity to improve the way buyers and sellers get together aided by software. Napster is only a teaser for things to come. Blocking out banner ads, while understandable, is not really moving toward a solution. We are all sick of primetime television-style advertising. What is needed is a way for buyers to make the first move and opt in to a stream of highly focused and targeted information that, for the seller, will result in the sales of products and services. Properly executed, sellers will like this because of the very high percentage of sales they make -- these will be the quintessential qualified prospects. Buyers will like it because they won't be bombarded with sales pitches for products of no interest to them. Dwight
Re: Banner server avoidence
> Don Marti's posted a DNS hack which can be used to deny specific > domains on a sitewide basis, if you run DNS. The advantage is that > it's a one-time rule which works transparently for all systems on the > local net. The bad news is that an extensive list of blocked sites is > likely to be difficult to maintain and inconvenience some users: i like this solution: http://www.schooner.com/~loverso/no-ads/ it's an automatic proxy configuration script for netscape or ie that blocks ads. it does't control cookies (which junkbuster etc do) but it works great for banner ads. adam.
Re: Banner server avoidence
I wrote: > I just put ad servers in /etc/hosts with an IP of 127.0.0.1. Karsten M. Self writes: > I believe this is an acceptable solution. It may incur a timeout. It doesn't. -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler) Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, WI
Re: Banner server avoidence
on Mon, Dec 18, 2000 at 10:33:02PM -0600, John Hasler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Lee Elliott writes: > > I saw this in a posting in an Amiga mailing list that I'm still > > subscribed to: > > > > >The first place Genesis looks for anything is in db/hosts, and > > > if the ad-servers are listed there it will attempt to get the > > > banners from the address given there. Since there are none, > > > the banner command will simply fail. > > > > and wondered if there was some way I could do something similar in > > Debian? > > I just put ad servers in /etc/hosts with an IP of 127.0.0.1. See my post. I believe this is an acceptable solution. It may incur a timeout. However, the solution doesn't scale to multiple servers. By blocking at the DNS level, ***ALLL*** systems in a network are effectively blocked from the rogue sites. -- Karsten M. Self http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ Evangelist, Zelerate, Inc. http://www.zelerate.org What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? There is no K5 cabal http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/http://www.kuro5hin.org pgpZVohj3OxSQ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Banner server avoidence
Lee Elliott writes: > I saw this in a posting in an Amiga mailing list that I'm still > subscribed to: > > >The first place Genesis looks for anything is in db/hosts, and > > if the ad-servers are listed there it will attempt to get the > > banners from the address given there. Since there are none, > > the banner command will simply fail. > > and wondered if there was some way I could do something similar in > Debian? I just put ad servers in /etc/hosts with an IP of 127.0.0.1. -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, Wisconsin
Re: Banner server avoidence
on Mon, Dec 18, 2000 at 10:59:11PM +, Lee Elliott ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Hello list, > > I saw this in a posting in an Amiga mailing list that I'm still > subscribed to: > > >The first place Genesis looks for anything is in db/hosts, and > > if the ad-servers are listed there it will attempt to get the > > banners from the address given there. Since there are none, > > the banner command will simply fail. > > and wondered if there was some way I could do something similar in > Debian? > > What happens with this particular package is that there's a local file > linking IP addreses to urls, that is checked before looking for it on > the net, rather like a local DNS. By linking ad/banner server urls to, > say the local IP 127.0.0.1, the look-up fails and is abandoned with the > result that you don't download anything from these servers i.e adverts > etc :-) Don Marti's posted a DNS hack which can be used to deny specific domains on a sitewide basis, if you run DNS. The advantage is that it's a one-time rule which works transparently for all systems on the local net. The bad news is that an extensive list of blocked sites is likely to be difficult to maintain and inconvenience some users: http://zgp.org/pipermail/linux-elitists/2000-April/000340.html As others have suggested, Junkmail is a useful alternative for web browsing. The advantage is that comprehensive blocklists can be built out of relatively few rules -- my file runs 126 lines total, including whitespace and comments -- yet effectively blocks virtually all ads through wildcard matches. The disadvantage of Junkmail is that it is a proxy, and unless set up as part of a systemwide transparent proxying system, some data can leak out (or in) if user clients are not properly configured. OTOH, it does provide users with the option to individually configure their own preferences -- at least on a per-box basis. I use both methods. -- Karsten M. Self http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ Evangelist, Zelerate, Inc. http://www.zelerate.org What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? There is no K5 cabal http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/http://www.kuro5hin.org pgpErSCjVPlhC.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Banner server avoidence
Lee Elliott wrote: > What happens with this particular package is that there's a local file > linking IP addreses to urls, that is checked before looking for it on > the net, rather like a local DNS. By linking ad/banner server urls to, > say the local IP 127.0.0.1, the look-up fails and is abandoned with the > result that you don't download anything from these servers i.e adverts > etc :-) So basically it speeds up web browsing by not downloading the banner ad graphics? If so, take a look at the junkbuster package. I use it here and it works quite nicely. It's packaged for both potato and woody. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | He that is slow to believe anything and | everything is of great understanding, '91 GS500E| for belief in one false principle is the Morgantown WV | beginning of all unwisdom. pgpVdExBdYElO.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Banner server avoidence
Sure, /etc/hosts. Add something like the following: 127.0.0.1adserver.naughtybannerserver.com Alternatively, you could block out ads using ipchains: ipchains -A input -s adserver.naughtybannerserver.com -d 0.0.0.0/0 -j REJECT Or, you could use junkbuster to filter the traffic. --Mike Lee Elliott wrote: > What happens with this particular package is that there's a local file > linking IP addreses to urls, that is checked before looking for it on > the net, rather like a local DNS. By linking ad/banner server urls to, > say the local IP 127.0.0.1, the look-up fails and is abandoned with the > result that you don't download anything from these servers i.e adverts > etc :-) -- It's a shame that a family can be torn apart by something as simple as wild dogs.
Banner server avoidence
Hello list, I saw this in a posting in an Amiga mailing list that I'm still subscribed to: >The first place Genesis looks for anything is in db/hosts, and > if the ad-servers are listed there it will attempt to get the > banners from the address given there. Since there are none, > the banner command will simply fail. and wondered if there was some way I could do something similar in Debian? What happens with this particular package is that there's a local file linking IP addreses to urls, that is checked before looking for it on the net, rather like a local DNS. By linking ad/banner server urls to, say the local IP 127.0.0.1, the look-up fails and is abandoned with the result that you don't download anything from these servers i.e adverts etc :-) TIA LeeE
