Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] (caution: thread deviation)
I can't speak for anyone else, but I found systemd to be ridiculously counterintuitive and poorly documented when I was first exposed to it. To this day, the standard GUI configurator for it (systemadm) is so limited as to be nearly useless; and I find hand-configuring a new service to be a major exercise only to be undertaken with several manpages open. It's better now, but I'm not persuaded that the learning curve was worth the supposed benefits of the new system. Slackware's old fashioned BSD-style startup scripts are starting to look very attractive to me (I don't have to learn a new language to write or customize them). On April 17, 2016 6:00:10 AM MDT, Eike Lantzsch wrote: >On Sunday 17 April 2016 11:48:16 Mark Fletcher wrote: >> On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 3:19 PM Michael Milliman < >> >> michael.e.milli...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > I've never really >> > liked systemd, though I must admit it does work and do the job -- I >just >> > like the simplicity of the init system better. Admittedly, I may >well >> > be undereducated on systemd resulting in my prejudice. >> >> Speaking of prejudice -- question to the list in general -- why the >vitriol >> in the linux community about systemd? I read the "I'm changing >distros >> because I don't like systemd" type blog posts, and the "Debian devs >are >> evil for forcing systemd on us" and so on -- and then I tried it. >I've even >> built a LFS system using it. I really, really can't see what the fuss >is >> about. Yes, it's complicated, but then init was quite capable of >confusing >> the living daylights out of me as well... >> >> It seems the emotions, even now, are running too high to be simply >about >> "if it ain't broke don't fix it". What am I missing? >> >> Mark > >All the pros and cons of system.d have been discussed and ranted about >here >and can be easily found in the archives. I personally don't think that >it is >necessary to go through those discussions again. > >Easily one can slip some emotional comment [sigh!] (sic) into a posting >but it >is unnecessary to jump on it - no? > >All the best to y'all >Eike -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] (caution: thread deviation)
On 04/17/2016 07:00 AM, Eike Lantzsch wrote: On Sunday 17 April 2016 11:48:16 Mark Fletcher wrote: On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 3:19 PM Michael Milliman < michael.e.milli...@gmail.com> wrote: I've never really liked systemd, though I must admit it does work and do the job -- I just like the simplicity of the init system better. Admittedly, I may well be undereducated on systemd resulting in my prejudice. Speaking of prejudice -- question to the list in general -- why the vitriol in the linux community about systemd? I read the "I'm changing distros because I don't like systemd" type blog posts, and the "Debian devs are evil for forcing systemd on us" and so on -- and then I tried it. I've even built a LFS system using it. I really, really can't see what the fuss is about. Yes, it's complicated, but then init was quite capable of confusing the living daylights out of me as well... It seems the emotions, even now, are running too high to be simply about "if it ain't broke don't fix it". What am I missing? Mark All the pros and cons of system.d have been discussed and ranted about here and can be easily found in the archives. I personally don't think that it is necessary to go through those discussions again. Easily one can slip some emotional comment [sigh!] (sic) into a posting but it is unnecessary to jump on it - no? Yeah, IMHO the emotionalism is anti-productive. I have my opinion and my reasons for said opinion, but when emotions become involved in the discussion, all real logical consideration of the merits of one system over another go out the door. We should really be trying to get the best system we can, whether with init or systemd, and that should be based on the merits of the two competing systems, not on opinion and emotion. Both systems work. Both systems have merit, and I acknowledge that my preference for init over systemd my well be due to ignorance than anything else. All the best to y'all Eike -- Mike
Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] (caution: thread deviation)
On Sunday 17 April 2016 11:48:16 Mark Fletcher wrote: > On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 3:19 PM Michael Milliman < > > michael.e.milli...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I've never really > > liked systemd, though I must admit it does work and do the job -- I just > > like the simplicity of the init system better. Admittedly, I may well > > be undereducated on systemd resulting in my prejudice. > > Speaking of prejudice -- question to the list in general -- why the vitriol > in the linux community about systemd? I read the "I'm changing distros > because I don't like systemd" type blog posts, and the "Debian devs are > evil for forcing systemd on us" and so on -- and then I tried it. I've even > built a LFS system using it. I really, really can't see what the fuss is > about. Yes, it's complicated, but then init was quite capable of confusing > the living daylights out of me as well... > > It seems the emotions, even now, are running too high to be simply about > "if it ain't broke don't fix it". What am I missing? > > Mark All the pros and cons of system.d have been discussed and ranted about here and can be easily found in the archives. I personally don't think that it is necessary to go through those discussions again. Easily one can slip some emotional comment [sigh!] (sic) into a posting but it is unnecessary to jump on it - no? All the best to y'all Eike
