Boxed Distributions
Dear Debian Friends, I was hopeful that you guys can point me in the right direction on where to recieve boxes distributions of Debian. Is there any way you guys can put me on a distribution list for the beautiful boxed distributions for Debian? 😁 I respect the fact Debian stands for excellence and hard work and would love to see the boxed distros in my area. Thank you guys kindly. I left my address / email / and phone if you decide to email me or call me. I would love to have a boxed distribution of all great Debian releases. You guys are awesome 😎 Sincerely, Joe Roberts II Address Joe Roberts II 2075 Browns Fork Rd Hazard, KY 41701 Phone - 1-606-335-8099
Re: Boxed Distributions
On Tue, Nov 01, 2022 at 02:24:25AM -0400, Joe Roberts II wrote: > Dear Debian Friends, > > I was hopeful that you guys can point me in the right direction on where to > recieve boxes distributions of Debian. > > Is there any way you guys can put me on a distribution list for the > beautiful boxed distributions for Debian? 😁 > Debian hasn't produced boxed distributions. The nearest I can suggest is that you contact one of the vendors from here who can supply CD/DVD media (or, more usually these days, maybe a USB stick that is bootable.) A full Debian distribution would be 40 DVDs so many vendors supply the first one or two DVDs only. Some vendors supply the equivalent of the library case you'd get for a two DVD film. https://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/ > I respect the fact Debian stands for excellence and hard work and would > love to see the boxed distros in my area. Thank you guys kindly. I left my > address / email / and phone if you decide to email me or call me. I would > love to have a boxed distribution of all great Debian releases. > > You guys are awesome 😎 > > Sincerely, > Joe Roberts II > > Address > Joe Roberts II > 2075 Browns Fork Rd > Hazard, KY 41701 > > Phone - 1-606-335-8099
Re: Boxed Distributions
Jude "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) . On Tue, 1 Nov 2022, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > On Tue, Nov 01, 2022 at 02:24:25AM -0400, Joe Roberts II wrote: > > Dear Debian Friends, > > > > I was hopeful that you guys can point me in the right direction on where to > > recieve boxes distributions of Debian. > > > > Is there any way you guys can put me on a distribution list for the > > beautiful boxed distributions for Debian? ? > > > > Debian hasn't produced boxed distributions. The nearest I can > suggest is that you contact one of the vendors from here who > can supply CD/DVD media (or, more usually these days, maybe > a USB stick that is bootable.) > > A full Debian distribution would be 40 DVDs so many vendors supply > the first one or two DVDs only. Some vendors supply the equivalent > of the library case you'd get for a two DVD film. > > https://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/ > > > I respect the fact Debian stands for excellence and hard work and would > > love to see the boxed distros in my area. Thank you guys kindly. I left my > > address / email / and phone if you decide to email me or call me. I would > > love to have a boxed distribution of all great Debian releases. > > > > You guys are awesome ? > > > > Sincerely, > > Joe Roberts II > > > > Address > > Joe Roberts II > > 2075 Browns Fork Rd > > Hazard, KY 41701 > > > > Phone - 1-606-335-8099 > > Disks may not be a good choice since boxed distributions with disks do arrive with broken disks. If the vendor packs professionally you should be okay though. Putting a plastic box of disks inside a cardboard box is not professional packing. Bubble wrap can help insulate disks from shock and breakage though. So if a vendor is to be used at all, find out how they pack and ship the product before buying. Popped popcorn around a disk box inside a shipping box would work well too.
Re: Boxed Distributions
On Tue, Nov 01, 2022 at 10:57:17AM -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote: > > > > Jude > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: Ahhh... these are the boxed distributions? Cheers -- t signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Boxed Distributions
On 1/11/22 23:28, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Tue, Nov 01, 2022 at 10:57:17AM -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote: Jude "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: Ahhh... these are the boxed distributions? Cheers Someone did say that the full distribution comprises of many disks, so, maybe it needs four boxes? .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
Re: Boxed Distributions
On 1/11/22 23:40, Bret Busby wrote: On 1/11/22 23:28, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Tue, Nov 01, 2022 at 10:57:17AM -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote: Jude "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: Ahhh... these are the boxed distributions? Cheers Someone did say that the full distribution comprises of many disks, so, maybe it needs four boxes? "A full Debian distribution would be 40 DVDs" Four boxes sounds about right... :) .. Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) ..
Re: Boxed Distributions
Hi, Bret Busby wrote: > Someone did say that the full distribution comprises of many disks, so, > maybe it needs four boxes? The four jewel case edition is here: https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/jigdo-bd/ for 25 GB Blu-ray discs. (There is also a twin pack for 50 GB BDDL: https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/jigdo-dlbd/ and a way to combine all media on one big USB stick or 100 GB BDXL disc: https://wiki.debian.org/MergeDebianIsos ) Have a nice day :) Thomas
Re: Boxed Distributions
On 2/11/22 01:40, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
Hi,
Bret Busby wrote:
Someone did say that the full distribution comprises of many disks, so,
maybe it needs four boxes?
The four jewel case edition is here:
https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/jigdo-bd/
for 25 GB Blu-ray discs.
Are Blu-ray drives available for computers?
I have not yet seen a computer with an internal Blu-ray drive.
My understanding is that the significant difference between a Blu-ray
disc and a DVD, is that DVD discs are limited to 720p ("HD")resolution
for video, and Blu-ray provides 1080p ("FHD") resolution for video.
I do not know of the storage capacity for a Blu-ray disc, but, I imagine
that it would need to be far greater than a DVD (up to 4.5GB, I
believe), due to the difference in available resolution for video.
Given that USB thumb drives have been available, of up to 256GB capacity
(I have a few of them), I expect that iso files (or, iso file
collections, if needed, such as the whole set of 40 DVD images) for USB
thumb drives, would be available.
If my memory is correct, back at about Debian 3.0 or 3.1, Debian was
available on something like 3 DVD's or 8 CD's, although, with advancing
years, my memory of that, may be a bit fuzzy.
..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..
Re: Boxed Distributions
Yes they are
On Tue, Nov 1, 2022 at 7:20 PM Bret Busby wrote:
>
> On 2/11/22 01:40, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Bret Busby wrote:
> >> Someone did say that the full distribution comprises of many disks, so,
> >> maybe it needs four boxes?
> >
> > The four jewel case edition is here:
> >https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/jigdo-bd/
> > for 25 GB Blu-ray discs.
> >
>
> Are Blu-ray drives available for computers?
>
> I have not yet seen a computer with an internal Blu-ray drive.
>
> My understanding is that the significant difference between a Blu-ray
> disc and a DVD, is that DVD discs are limited to 720p ("HD")resolution
> for video, and Blu-ray provides 1080p ("FHD") resolution for video.
>
> I do not know of the storage capacity for a Blu-ray disc, but, I imagine
> that it would need to be far greater than a DVD (up to 4.5GB, I
> believe), due to the difference in available resolution for video.
>
> Given that USB thumb drives have been available, of up to 256GB capacity
> (I have a few of them), I expect that iso files (or, iso file
> collections, if needed, such as the whole set of 40 DVD images) for USB
> thumb drives, would be available.
>
> If my memory is correct, back at about Debian 3.0 or 3.1, Debian was
> available on something like 3 DVD's or 8 CD's, although, with advancing
> years, my memory of that, may be a bit fuzzy.
>
> ..
> Bret Busby
> Armadale
> West Australia
> (UTC+0800)
> ..
>
Re: Boxed Distributions
Hi, Bret Busby wrote: > Are Blu-ray drives available for computers? Sure. My oldest one is a LG BD-RE GGW-H20L of 2008. My youngest is a ASUS BW-16D1HT which i bought recently after my Optiarc BD-5300S died mechanically. > I do not know of the storage capacity for a Blu-ray disc, Single layer 25 GB, double layer 50 GB, triple layer 100 GB, four layer 128 GB. BD-R are write-once media. BD-RE are overwritable many times. Single layer media offer by far the best price/capacity ratio. (Cheaper than USB stick but more expensive than rotating hard disk.) > Given that USB thumb drives have been available, of up to 256GB capacity (I > have a few of them), I expect that iso files (or, iso file collections, if > needed, such as the whole set of 40 DVD images) for USB thumb drives, would > be available. There is a 16 GB ISO named STICK16GB-1 https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/jigdo-16G/ The problem with multiple ISOs is that Debian expects them on as many different optical media and will prompt you to put them into the drive when needed. I am not aware that this would work out of the box with multiple USB sticks. Easier to use is a merged ISO which was made from some or all ISOs of a set of installation media. (Actually there are 19 DVDs on https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/jigdo-dvd/ while "current" is 11.5.) > If my memory is correct, back at about Debian 3.0 or 3.1, Debian was > available on something like 3 DVD's or 8 CD's, although, with advancing > years, my memory of that, may be a bit fuzzy. Who needs wet memory when there is the cdimage archive ? https://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/ For the only CD sized images: https://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/3.0_r0/i386/ and of them there were seven: https://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/3.0_r0/i386/jigdo-cd/ But at 3.0_r3 there was also a single DVD: https://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/3.0_r6/i386/iso-dvd/ Have a nice day :) Thomas
Re: Boxed Distributions
On Tue, Nov 01, 2022 at 08:22:07PM +0100, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > Hi, > > Bret Busby wrote: > > Are Blu-ray drives available for computers? > > Sure. > > My oldest one is a LG BD-RE GGW-H20L of 2008. > My youngest is a ASUS BW-16D1HT which i bought recently after my > Optiarc BD-5300S died mechanically. > > > > I do not know of the storage capacity for a Blu-ray disc, > > Single layer 25 GB, double layer 50 GB, triple layer 100 GB, > four layer 128 GB. > BD-R are write-once media. BD-RE are overwritable many times. > Single layer media offer by far the best price/capacity ratio. > (Cheaper than USB stick but more expensive than rotating hard disk.) > > > > Given that USB thumb drives have been available, of up to 256GB capacity (I > > have a few of them), I expect that iso files (or, iso file collections, if > > needed, such as the whole set of 40 DVD images) for USB thumb drives, would > > be available. > There's a price/performance/storage overhead - if the media team made 256G .iso files to go on a stick, they'd have to be stored somewhere - even if just as .jigdo files. The number of people who would want to generate such .isos is relatively small. There's also the (non-negligible) risk of errors in copying to USB sticks which may not always be reliable unless you pay $$$ for solid branded guaranteed drives - Corsair do some fantastic USB drives but these are expensive. > There is a 16 GB ISO named STICK16GB-1 > https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/jigdo-16G/ > Which works well - but may take a long time to generate, even with a local mirror on the same network. Likewise the BD images. (From experience doing point releases and generating the images locally). > The problem with multiple ISOs is that Debian expects them on as many > different optical media and will prompt you to put them into the drive > when needed. > I am not aware that this would work out of the box with multiple USB sticks. > > Easier to use is a merged ISO which was made from some or all ISOs of > a set of installation media. > > (Actually there are 19 DVDs on > https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/jigdo-dvd/ > while "current" is 11.5.) > I trust Thomas to do and know the right thing for merged .iso files as he has demonstrated on this list and he is generally exceptionally helpful here. > Then you've got source as well - if you wanted to have a "complete" Debian - all architectures, including source - the number of disks would soon soar. > > If my memory is correct, back at about Debian 3.0 or 3.1, Debian was > > available on something like 3 DVD's or 8 CD's, although, with advancing > > years, my memory of that, may be a bit fuzzy. > > Who needs wet memory when there is the cdimage archive ? > https://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/ > For the only CD sized images: > https://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/3.0_r0/i386/ > and of them there were seven: > https://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/3.0_r0/i386/jigdo-cd/ > But at 3.0_r3 there was also a single DVD: > https://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/3.0_r6/i386/iso-dvd/ > > > Have a nice day :) > > Thomas > All the very best, as ever, Andy Cater
