Fwd: Bug#780201: new codename needed for oldstable (due to squeeze-lts) when stable becomes oldstable
-- Forwarded message -- From: Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2015 22:54:42 +0800 Subject: Re: Bug#780201: new codename needed for oldstable (due to squeeze-lts) when stable becomes oldstable To: debian-...@lists.debian.org On 10/03/2015, Andreas Glaeser bugs.andreas.glae...@freenet.de wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 10 Mar 2015 12:38:29 +0100 Holger Levsen hol...@layer-acht.org wrote: Hi, when jessie will be released, wheezy will become oldstable and we'll need a new alias for squeeze, as various tools internally work with aliases. (The security tracker comes to my mind, but also the Release files it seems. And probably more.) I believe it's the ftp teams duty / joy to decide this name and would like to ask you to do soon, so that various places can be prepared for the joyful day we release jessie. Current suggestions I've heard (and liked) are oldoldstable and veryoldstable. I *dislike* obsoletestable and stalestable as they are either wrong (squeeze is not obsolete) or carry a bad connotation. cheers, Holger What about 'extremely-stable' ?? Why not simply use the states experimental unstable testing and for the stable version stable and version number (eg Debian7) and all preceding versions, version number eg Debian6 LTS Debian 5 Debian4 etc Seems logical, and, meaningful, and, simple enough to me. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CACX6j8PYcqjGFU=-t_gM2Cr5CYaGqoATKvAawiAQNEg9c=X=c...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Fwd: Bug#780201: new codename needed for oldstable (due to squeeze-lts) when stable becomes oldstable
Quoting Bret Busby (bret.bu...@gmail.com): -- Forwarded message -- From: Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2015 22:54:42 +0800 Subject: Re: Bug#780201: new codename needed for oldstable (due to squeeze-lts) when stable becomes oldstable To: debian-...@lists.debian.org I have no idea what this is about. AIUI oldstable doesn't have a codename. squeeze is a codename and will never ever change. At the moment, oldstable points at squeeze. When jessie is released, the pointers will shift along one (except at the cutting edge), oldstable will point at wheezy, and squeeze will drop off the bottom, no longer supported. What relevance is squeeze-lts? It's supported by a separate group, so how long it lasts is up to them. I think it's wishful thinking that Debian should get involved in supporting TWO generations of old versions. Why not simply use the states experimental unstable testing and for the stable version stable and version number (eg Debian7) and all preceding versions, version number eg Debian6 LTS Debian 5 Debian4 etc Seems logical, and, meaningful, and, simple enough to me. Or read https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases rather than dreaming up new names for the likes of buzz. Cheers, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150310170940.gb11...@alum.home
Re: Bug#780201: new codename needed for oldstable (due to squeeze-lts) when stable becomes oldstable
On 3/10/15, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2015 22:54:42 +0800 Subject: Re: Bug#780201: new codename needed for oldstable (due to squeeze-lts) when stable becomes oldstable To: debian-...@lists.debian.org On 10/03/2015, Andreas Glaeser bugs.andreas.glae...@freenet.de wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 10 Mar 2015 12:38:29 +0100 Holger Levsen hol...@layer-acht.org wrote: Hi, when jessie will be released, wheezy will become oldstable and we'll need a new alias for squeeze, as various tools internally work with aliases. (The security tracker comes to my mind, but also the Release files it seems. And probably more.) snipped for brevity Current suggestions I've heard (and liked) are oldoldstable and veryoldstable. I *dislike* obsoletestable and stalestable as they are either wrong (squeeze is not obsolete) or carry a bad connotation. What about 'extremely-stable' ?? Why not simply use the states experimental unstable testing and for the stable version stable and version number (eg Debian7) and all preceding versions, version number eg Debian6 LTS Debian 5 Debian4 etc Coming into this just now and immediate response was... HEY, I *like* that... maybe with no capital letters where possible unless that's a longstanding head nod, name *RESPECT* thing toward Debian. That would certainly be understandable. Its concept is obviously that, when any stable becomes an old stable, all that's needed for identification purposes forever after that is the referenced prior release's original/primary defining 6 or 7 or 8, etc... NOTE: While proofreading this email before sending, comes to mind that yes, codenames would do similar BUT... With a numerical based method, a new user could walk in not knowing code names and yet still be able to reasonably maneuver around. Example there would be where we can currently replace stable with testing or unstable in Debian.org's website hierarchy structure to successfully navigate within the packages subdomain. The way I'm grasping via the Bug's commentary, specifically Bret's suggestion, is that the addition into wherever is appropriate/necessary, could be similar to, say, like where we add in a free floating jessie or sid to debootstrap's command.. Or like where we see similar looking free floating personalizations in a string within grub.cfg, maybe. Yeah, I know, probably apples and oranges comparison to bug originator's intent, but it's what my mind is visualizing for potential usage as you all chat this up. Oh, and that _already_ free floating LTS notation might then need addressed within a free floating usage situation, I think.. I think. Otherwise additional keystrokes (ack!) with respect to parentheses then become necessary? Maybe? Ok, I'll stop now. *grin* Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Georgia USA * User Tip: Wondering what packages are available in stable? Check this out: https://packages.debian.org/stable/ Simply replace stable with testing or unstable if you use either instead. * -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAO1P-kAfmgM=sufjecu0nqb+e-3wnc9a-5mlxfrbwbmkfhy...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Fwd: Bug#780201: new codename needed for oldstable (due to squeeze-lts) when stable becomes oldstable
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/03/15 03:55, Bret Busby wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2015 22:54:42 +0800 Subject: Re: Bug#780201: new codename needed for oldstable (due to squeeze-lts) when stable becomes oldstable To: debian-...@lists.debian.org On 10/03/2015, Andreas Glaeser bugs.andreas.glae...@freenet.de wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 10 Mar 2015 12:38:29 +0100 Holger Levsen hol...@layer-acht.org wrote: Hi, when jessie will be released, wheezy will become oldstable and we'll need a new alias for squeeze, as various tools internally work with aliases. (The security tracker comes to my mind, but also the Release files it seems. And probably more.) I believe it's the ftp teams duty / joy to decide this name and would like to ask you to do soon, so that various places can be prepared for the joyful day we release jessie. Current suggestions I've heard (and liked) are oldoldstable and veryoldstable. I *dislike* obsoletestable and stalestable as they are either wrong (squeeze is not obsolete) or carry a bad connotation. cheers, Holger What about 'extremely-stable' ?? Why not simply use the states experimental unstable testing and for the stable version stable and version number (eg Debian7) and all preceding versions, version number eg Debian6 LTS Debian 5 Debian4 etc If relative names are needed: stable stable-1 (currently oldstable) stable-2 etc Richard -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJU/4A1AAoJELSi8I/scBaN9QMIAJBLuRoSbftmv1ZFIR02Cy0B B7C6hfiehdsvkld2yUWHH0jHqOcvF+45XvCtg8tHXyWoo1ghycIGnmsyDgTa9zbI lDWiqubGvvGWaj4uFcjYOffJJp94h2wUHhFG1J7cnO4O3CczEMYmiWLLCUVmFDgk noMUvnIaXVPVHia24/N2PNLxRjJfNqQ2YkG6lZiryRdki7P1BofToAozUwYoLW56 J/TjSoRf2ZHNqCB+Yr3Wj0uSpygT1mBtYs1OyPP5F+5V8Xwz2e2P0mNwX62njmWP JI6s4RH1+oHFu2ROcHuZSUXEhivOWpxNqkzluoq63YMawZQt/M8ex2Im9BOXWYM= =81Q0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54ff803c.2020...@walnut.gen.nz