Fwd: Bug#780201: new codename needed for oldstable (due to squeeze-lts) when stable becomes oldstable

2015-03-10 Thread Bret Busby
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From: Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2015 22:54:42 +0800
Subject: Re: Bug#780201: new codename needed for oldstable (due to
squeeze-lts) when stable becomes oldstable
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On 10/03/2015, Andreas Glaeser bugs.andreas.glae...@freenet.de wrote:
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 On Tue, 10 Mar 2015 12:38:29 +0100
 Holger Levsen hol...@layer-acht.org wrote:

 Hi,

 when jessie will be released, wheezy will become oldstable and we'll need
 a
 new alias for squeeze, as various tools internally work with aliases. (The

 security tracker comes to my mind, but also the Release files it seems.
 And
 probably more.)

 I believe it's the ftp teams duty / joy to decide this name and would like
 to
 ask you to do soon, so that various places can be prepared for the joyful
 day
 we release jessie.

 Current suggestions I've heard (and liked) are oldoldstable and
 veryoldstable.

 I *dislike* obsoletestable and stalestable as they are either wrong
 (squeeze is not obsolete) or carry a bad connotation.


 cheers,
  Holger

 What about 'extremely-stable' ??


Why not simply use the states
experimental
unstable
testing

and for the stable version
stable and version number (eg Debian7)

and all preceding versions,
version number
eg
Debian6 LTS
Debian 5
Debian4
etc

Seems logical, and, meaningful, and, simple enough to me.


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West Australia
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 you'll know what the answer means.
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 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy:
 A Trilogy In Four Parts,
 written by Douglas Adams,
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Re: Fwd: Bug#780201: new codename needed for oldstable (due to squeeze-lts) when stable becomes oldstable

2015-03-10 Thread David Wright
Quoting Bret Busby (bret.bu...@gmail.com):
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 Subject: Re: Bug#780201: new codename needed for oldstable (due to
 squeeze-lts) when stable becomes oldstable
 To: debian-...@lists.debian.org

I have no idea what this is about. AIUI oldstable doesn't have a
codename. squeeze is a codename and will never ever change. At the
moment, oldstable points at squeeze. When jessie is released, the
pointers will shift along one (except at the cutting edge), oldstable
will point at wheezy, and squeeze will drop off the bottom, no longer
supported.

What relevance is squeeze-lts? It's supported by a separate group, so
how long it lasts is up to them.

I think it's wishful thinking that Debian should get involved in
supporting TWO generations of old versions.

 Why not simply use the states
 experimental
 unstable
 testing
 
 and for the stable version
 stable and version number (eg Debian7)
 
 and all preceding versions,
 version number
 eg
 Debian6 LTS
 Debian 5
 Debian4
 etc
 
 Seems logical, and, meaningful, and, simple enough to me.

Or read https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases rather than dreaming up
new names for the likes of buzz.

Cheers,
David.


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Re: Bug#780201: new codename needed for oldstable (due to squeeze-lts) when stable becomes oldstable

2015-03-10 Thread Cindy-Sue Causey
On 3/10/15, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote:
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 From: Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com
 Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2015 22:54:42 +0800
 Subject: Re: Bug#780201: new codename needed for oldstable (due to
 squeeze-lts) when stable becomes oldstable
 To: debian-...@lists.debian.org

 On 10/03/2015, Andreas Glaeser bugs.andreas.glae...@freenet.de wrote:
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 On Tue, 10 Mar 2015 12:38:29 +0100
 Holger Levsen hol...@layer-acht.org wrote:

 Hi,

 when jessie will be released, wheezy will become oldstable and we'll
 need
 a
 new alias for squeeze, as various tools internally work with aliases.
 (The

 security tracker comes to my mind, but also the Release files it seems.
 And
 probably more.)

 snipped for brevity

 Current suggestions I've heard (and liked) are oldoldstable and
 veryoldstable.

 I *dislike* obsoletestable and stalestable as they are either wrong
 (squeeze is not obsolete) or carry a bad connotation.

 What about 'extremely-stable' ??


 Why not simply use the states
 experimental
 unstable
 testing

 and for the stable version
 stable and version number (eg Debian7)

 and all preceding versions,
 version number
 eg
 Debian6 LTS
 Debian 5
 Debian4
 etc


Coming into this just now and immediate response was... HEY, I
*like* that... maybe with no capital letters where possible unless
that's a longstanding head nod, name *RESPECT* thing toward Debian.
That would certainly be understandable.

Its concept is obviously that, when any stable becomes an old stable,
all that's needed for identification purposes forever after that is
the referenced prior release's original/primary defining 6 or 7 or
8, etc...

NOTE: While proofreading this email before sending, comes to mind that
yes, codenames would do similar BUT... With a numerical based method,
a new user could walk in not knowing code names and yet still be able
to reasonably maneuver around. Example there would be where we can
currently replace stable with testing or unstable in
Debian.org's website hierarchy structure to successfully navigate
within the packages subdomain.

The way I'm grasping via the Bug's commentary, specifically Bret's
suggestion, is that the addition into wherever is
appropriate/necessary, could be similar to, say, like where we add in
a free floating jessie or sid to debootstrap's command.. Or like
where we see similar looking free floating personalizations in a
string within grub.cfg, maybe. Yeah, I know, probably apples and
oranges comparison to bug originator's intent, but it's what my mind
is visualizing for potential usage as you all chat this up.

Oh, and that _already_ free floating LTS notation might then need
addressed within a free floating usage situation, I think.. I
think. Otherwise additional keystrokes (ack!) with respect to
parentheses then become necessary? Maybe? Ok, I'll stop now. *grin*

Cindy :)

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Re: Fwd: Bug#780201: new codename needed for oldstable (due to squeeze-lts) when stable becomes oldstable

2015-03-10 Thread Richard Hector
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On 11/03/15 03:55, Bret Busby wrote:
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 bret.bu...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2015 22:54:42 +0800 
 Subject: Re: Bug#780201: new codename needed for oldstable (due to 
 squeeze-lts) when stable becomes oldstable To:
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 On 10/03/2015, Andreas Glaeser bugs.andreas.glae...@freenet.de
 wrote:
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 On Tue, 10 Mar 2015 12:38:29 +0100 Holger Levsen
 hol...@layer-acht.org wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 when jessie will be released, wheezy will become oldstable and
 we'll need a new alias for squeeze, as various tools internally
 work with aliases. (The
 
 security tracker comes to my mind, but also the Release files
 it seems. And probably more.)
 
 I believe it's the ftp teams duty / joy to decide this name and
 would like to ask you to do soon, so that various places can be
 prepared for the joyful day we release jessie.
 
 Current suggestions I've heard (and liked) are oldoldstable
 and veryoldstable.
 
 I *dislike* obsoletestable and stalestable as they are
 either wrong (squeeze is not obsolete) or carry a bad
 connotation.
 
 
 cheers, Holger
 
 What about 'extremely-stable' ??
 
 
 Why not simply use the states experimental unstable testing
 
 and for the stable version stable and version number (eg Debian7)
 
 and all preceding versions, version number eg Debian6 LTS Debian 5 
 Debian4 etc

If relative names are needed:
stable
stable-1 (currently oldstable)
stable-2
etc

Richard

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