Re: Building a new desktop: hardware advice
2008/10/2 Miles Bader [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thank you Ron, that is a great point. Just last week I had a big fight with Western Digital because they require Windows to update the firmware of their harddrives. I will document this on my personal site sometime soon. What's your website URL? http://dotancohen.com I have documented a few conversations that I've had with various hardware and software vendors regarding Linux / Wine compatibility. But it is rather incomplete. The site is not a 'blog' and is intended more as a reference for those who want to write to hardware / software vendors as well (That portion of the site, anyway). [I have a WD drive, don't forsee needing to upgrade the firmware, but it'd be nice to know what's up... (the drive itself is really nice though)] I have been using WD drives for years without excessive problems. My gripe is not about the quality of the hardware, but the service. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü
Re: Building a new desktop: hardware advice
2008/10/2 Kelly Clowers [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Asus M3A board http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?modelmenu=2model=1934l1=3l2=149l3=592l4=0 (we need both IDE and SATA, as my current 500GB hard drives are IDE) I haven't heard anything about AMD chipset compatibility, but without any negative reports, you can probably assume it works. The GigE controller ought to be fine, and Atheros is one of the good guys now. The Realtek ALC883 could present some problems. Google this: ALC883 ALSA Thanks. The system installed and runs fine. I have yet to connect audio capabilities, so I will be wary of the alsa issue. Thanks. One of these video cards: http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?modelmenu=2model=1720l1=2l2=6l3=551l4=0 http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=2l2=8l3=634l4=0model=2051modelmenu=1 I am leaning towards the second card because of the quiet fanless design, but I am a bit concerned about a fanless card. It also mentions OpenGL 2.0 compliance, which sounds good. The GeForce should be OGL 2.0 as well, but I agree that you should look at the Radeon. In my experience GFX card fans are a pain in the butt, and while you can argue about which drivers are better right now (nv/nvidia vs RadeonHD/fglrx), the fact is that the Radeon drivers are about to blow past the Nvidia drivers like a cheetah passing a tortoise. And that will happen because AMD/ATI is now friendly to FOSS, while Nvidia is not. Of course Intel still has the absolute best drivers, and X series have decent performance (outside of hardcore gaming). But you would have to get a different MB and CPU for that. In the end I'm using the onboard video. I will upgrade to a discrete video card when we decide that we need TV out, but before that I will see if I can convert the DVI to TV-out. Optiarc AD-7200S DVD±RW sata DVD burner http://www.sonynec-optiarc.eu/en/exhibits/half-height-drives/ad-7200s Disc drives shouldn't have any compatablity issues. Not compatibility issues, but some drives are junk. In the end I put a slightly more expensive Samsung drive in there. I haven't tested the burner yet, but it reads and boots just fine. Thanks! -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü
Re: Building a new desktop: hardware advice
Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thank you Ron, that is a great point. Just last week I had a big fight with Western Digital because they require Windows to update the firmware of their harddrives. I will document this on my personal site sometime soon. What's your website URL? [I have a WD drive, don't forsee needing to upgrade the firmware, but it'd be nice to know what's up... (the drive itself is really nice though)] Thanks, -Miles -- Alliance, n. In international politics, the union of two thieves who have their hands so deeply inserted in each other's pockets that they cannot separately plunder a third. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Building a new desktop: hardware advice
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 12:07 PM, Dotan Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Asus M3A board http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?modelmenu=2model=1934l1=3l2=149l3=592l4=0 (we need both IDE and SATA, as my current 500GB hard drives are IDE) I haven't heard anything about AMD chipset compatibility, but without any negative reports, you can probably assume it works. The GigE controller ought to be fine, and Atheros is one of the good guys now. The Realtek ALC883 could present some problems. Google this: ALC883 ALSA One of these video cards: http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?modelmenu=2model=1720l1=2l2=6l3=551l4=0 http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=2l2=8l3=634l4=0model=2051modelmenu=1 I am leaning towards the second card because of the quiet fanless design, but I am a bit concerned about a fanless card. It also mentions OpenGL 2.0 compliance, which sounds good. The GeForce should be OGL 2.0 as well, but I agree that you should look at the Radeon. In my experience GFX card fans are a pain in the butt, and while you can argue about which drivers are better right now (nv/nvidia vs RadeonHD/fglrx), the fact is that the Radeon drivers are about to blow past the Nvidia drivers like a cheetah passing a tortoise. And that will happen because AMD/ATI is now friendly to FOSS, while Nvidia is not. Of course Intel still has the absolute best drivers, and X series have decent performance (outside of hardcore gaming). But you would have to get a different MB and CPU for that. Optiarc AD-7200S DVD±RW sata DVD burner http://www.sonynec-optiarc.eu/en/exhibits/half-height-drives/ad-7200s Disc drives shouldn't have any compatablity issues. Cheers, Kelly Clowers
Re: Building a new desktop: hardware advice
Dotan Cohen wrote: 2008/9/18 Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: What ever mobo you choose, make sure that it doesn't require Windows to upgrade the BIOS. Thank you Ron, that is a great point. Just last week I had a big fight with Western Digital because they require Windows to update the firmware of their harddrives. I will document this on my personal site sometime soon. But how would you know before buying the mobo? Hugo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Building a new desktop: hardware advice
2008/9/20 Hugo Vanwoerkom [EMAIL PROTECTED]: But how would you know before buying the mobo? Hugo 1) Check the online instructions 2) Write to the manufacturers and ask I will do both, as I want the hardware manufactures to know that there is interest in using their products on Linux, and that Linux support is a purchasing decision. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü
Building a new desktop: hardware advice
I am building a new desktop machine for home use (no gaming, but we will output DVD and MPEG movies to the TV). I would appreciate the Debian community's opinion regarding my hardware selection, as this is the first non-MS machine that I am building. I have tried to select components known to work with either Debian or Linux in general, these are the components: Athlon 64 5200+ http://products.amd.com/en-us/DesktopCPUDetail.aspx?id=39 Asus M3A board http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?modelmenu=2model=1934l1=3l2=149l3=592l4=0 (we need both IDE and SATA, as my current 500GB hard drives are IDE) 2 GB Kingston Value memory One of these video cards: http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?modelmenu=2model=1720l1=2l2=6l3=551l4=0 http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=2l2=8l3=634l4=0model=2051modelmenu=1 I am leaning towards the second card because of the quiet fanless design, but I am a bit concerned about a fanless card. It also mentions OpenGL 2.0 compliance, which sounds good. Optiarc AD-7200S DVD±RW sata DVD burner http://www.sonynec-optiarc.eu/en/exhibits/half-height-drives/ad-7200s This machine will likely flip flop between Debian and Fedora about once per year, with the occasional test drive of a different distro, if my past experience is an indicator. I am on a budget, so I tried to cut corners but not too many. Any advice and suggestions regarding the hardware mentioned are much appreciated. Thanks. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü
Re: Building a new desktop: hardware advice
Dotan Cohen a écrit : I am building a new desktop machine for home use (no gaming, but we will output DVD and MPEG movies to the TV). I would appreciate the Debian community's opinion regarding my hardware selection, as this is the first non-MS machine that I am building. I have tried to select components known to work with either Debian or Linux in general, these are the components: Athlon 64 5200+ http://products.amd.com/en-us/DesktopCPUDetail.aspx?id=39 Asus M3A board http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?modelmenu=2model=1934l1=3l2=149l3=592l4=0 (we need both IDE and SATA, as my current 500GB hard drives are IDE) 2 GB Kingston Value memory One of these video cards: http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?modelmenu=2model=1720l1=2l2=6l3=551l4=0 http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=2l2=8l3=634l4=0model=2051modelmenu=1 I am leaning towards the second card because of the quiet fanless design, but I am a bit concerned about a fanless card. It also mentions OpenGL 2.0 compliance, which sounds good. Optiarc AD-7200S DVD±RW sata DVD burner http://www.sonynec-optiarc.eu/en/exhibits/half-height-drives/ad-7200s This machine will likely flip flop between Debian and Fedora about once per year, with the occasional test drive of a different distro, if my past experience is an indicator. I am on a budget, so I tried to cut corners but not too many. Any advice and suggestions regarding the hardware mentioned are much appreciated. Thanks. Hard to answer this without starting '®' 'tm' wars, for the cpu it's a matter of budget I guess, no compatibility issues. For the Motherboard you'll have to watch the chipset if it's really new, www.phoronix.com could be a good information source. When on a budget I often found Asrock MoBos to be cheaper for the same features than Asus, I didn't run in any compatibility issue lately with it, but neither did I with Asus. For the video card amd/ati is improving it's proprietary drivers, and the open sources solutions (mesa and radeonHD) are improving even faster, but I think nvidia is still in the lead. If you don't want to play games I found integrated video chipset like nvidia 7025/50 really efficient and cheaper, it's really enough to playback dvd's even on a big lcd tv. Fanless is always a good idea for a computer which is going to sit in a living room, the smaller the fans the noisiest very often... Can't speak about the dvd drive, I have several brands of sata dvd drives and they all work ok, I just had to switch the sata controller to ide compatibility mode in the bios to install Etch, but once the system is set up it's working fine in sata mode. Google around with your hardware references and linux/debian/ubuntu/fedora as keywords, you'll most probably find interesting things. Tom -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Building a new desktop: hardware advice
On 09/18/08 14:07, Dotan Cohen wrote: I am building a new desktop machine for home use (no gaming, but we will output DVD and MPEG movies to the TV). I would appreciate the Debian community's opinion regarding my hardware selection, as this is the first non-MS machine that I am building. I have tried to select components known to work with either Debian or Linux in general, these are the components: Athlon 64 5200+ http://products.amd.com/en-us/DesktopCPUDetail.aspx?id=39 Asus M3A board http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?modelmenu=2model=1934l1=3l2=149l3=592l4=0 (we need both IDE and SATA, as my current 500GB hard drives are IDE) 2 GB Kingston Value memory One of these video cards: http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?modelmenu=2model=1720l1=2l2=6l3=551l4=0 http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=2l2=8l3=634l4=0model=2051modelmenu=1 I am leaning towards the second card because of the quiet fanless design, but I am a bit concerned about a fanless card. It also mentions OpenGL 2.0 compliance, which sounds good. Optiarc AD-7200S DVD±RW sata DVD burner http://www.sonynec-optiarc.eu/en/exhibits/half-height-drives/ad-7200s This machine will likely flip flop between Debian and Fedora about once per year, with the occasional test drive of a different distro, if my past experience is an indicator. I am on a budget, so I tried to cut corners but not too many. Any advice and suggestions regarding the hardware mentioned are much appreciated. Thanks. What ever mobo you choose, make sure that it doesn't require Windows to upgrade the BIOS. -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Do not bite at the bait of pleasure till you know there is no hook beneath it. -- Thomas Jefferson -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Building a new desktop: hardware advice
2008/9/18 Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: What ever mobo you choose, make sure that it doesn't require Windows to upgrade the BIOS. Thank you Ron, that is a great point. Just last week I had a big fight with Western Digital because they require Windows to update the firmware of their harddrives. I will document this on my personal site sometime soon. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü
