Re: Can I insall from xp partition?

2011-11-05 Thread Selim T. Erdogan
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On Fri, Nov 04, 2011 at 01:53:38PM -0700, rose perry wrote:
 It was an app running that made it slwo. I got 1,25 gigs of ram and a 2 gig 
 cpu.
 that for the link.
 
 
 
 
 From: Selim T. Erdogan se...@alumni.cs.utexas.edu
 To: rose perry v0r...@att.net; debian-user@lists.debian.org
 Sent: Friday, November 4, 2011 3:49 PM
 Subject: Re: Can I insall from xp partition?
 
 (putting this back on the list)
 
 On Fri, Nov 04, 2011 at 12:46:18PM -0700, rose perry wrote:
  OkI used the ubuntu windows installer and rebooted to ubuntu,  But it's 
  painfully slow.  But they got wireless working.  No need for firmware.  
 
 The slowness could be due to low memory, which you mentioned in an earlier
 message.  How much memory do you have?  If you're using Gnome with little
 memory (say, 256MB) you'll be better off using a lighter desktop.  (Like
 lxde.)
 
  Now how do I get debian on here?
 
 I haven't tried installing Debian from an existing GNU/Linux installation
 but there are instructions at
 
 http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s01.html.en#boot-initrd
 
 Don't know where you should put the firmware files but somebody else
 might.


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Re: Can I insall from xp partition?

2011-11-05 Thread Selim T. Erdogan
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On Sat, Nov 05, 2011 at 08:45:18AM -0700, rose perry wrote:
 Is there a way to install from a xp partition with out haveing to use 
 
 a cd?
 
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Selim T. Erdogan se...@alumni.cs.utexas.edu
 To: rose perry v0r...@att.net; debian-user@lists.debian.org
 Cc: 
 Sent: Friday, November 4, 2011 1:49 PM
 Subject: Re: Can I insall from xp partition?
 
 (putting this back on the list)
 
 On Fri, Nov 04, 2011 at 12:46:18PM -0700, rose perry wrote:
  OkI used the ubuntu windows installer and rebooted to ubuntu,  But it's 
  painfully slow.  But they got wireless working.  No need for firmware.  
 
 The slowness could be due to low memory, which you mentioned in an earlier
 message.  How much memory do you have?  If you're using Gnome with little
 memory (say, 256MB) you'll be better off using a lighter desktop.  (Like
 lxde.)
 
  Now how do I get debian on here?
 
 I haven't tried installing Debian from an existing GNU/Linux installation
 but there are instructions at
 
 http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s01.html.en#boot-initrd
 
 Don't know where you should put the firmware files but somebody else
 might.


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Re: Can I insall from xp partition?

2011-11-05 Thread Selim T. Erdogan
Selim T. Erdogan,  5.11.2011:
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 On Sat, Nov 05, 2011 at 08:45:18AM -0700, rose perry wrote:
  Is there a way to install from a xp partition with out haveing to use 
  
  a cd?

http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2011/11/msg00133.html had a link
to instructions for installing from xp.  I don't know any other way.
(Those instructions talk about an iso file that you download onto your
xp partition, but you don't have to make a cd.)


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Re: Can I insall from xp partition?

2011-11-04 Thread Selim T. Erdogan
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On Fri, Nov 04, 2011 at 03:42:47AM -0700, rose perry wrote:
 oh vmware used to load the os.
 
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Selim T. Erdogan se...@alumni.cs.utexas.edu
 To: rose perry v0r...@att.net
 Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org debian-user@lists.debian.org
 Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2011 2:02 PM
 Subject: Re: Can I insall from xp partition?
 
 rose perry,  2.11.2011:
  Hello I'm trying to install debian but the debian installer from goodbye 
  microsoft does not work, Because
  my network card requires Firmware.  Nothing seems to work for me.  So Im 
  going to try and dl a cd or 2 to 
  
  get it working, And install from XP if this is possible please let me 
  know.  Maybe freeware version of VMware?
  But I think I remember this was possible without vmware?  As long as you 
  had the data on xp.
  I have no cd's or dvd's or usb keys.  Im in the hospital with a broken leg 
  and got another month or 2 here.
  I got other complications too.  So Im looking for a way to install debian 
  the old fashion way.  But
  I can't remember how.  Any Advice or any thing would be greatly 
  appreciated.  
 
 I installed straight from MS Windows for somebody once.  It involved
 downloading some files to the hard drive (in MS Windows), putting them
 in a certain place, and then running an exe file.  Can't remember the 
 exact details since it's been quite a while but AFAICR I just followed 
 instructions in the Debian installation manual.
 
 Looking around, I see that
 http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s01.html.en#boot-win32
 has instructions.  It sounds like you need to download 
 an installation image (iso file), which will contain the necessary files
 (setup.exe and others).  I'm not sure how straightforward it is to get 
 those files from the iso without writing it to a cd or usb stick, but 
 somebody else might have suggestions on that.
 
 About the firmware, if you can obtain the necessary files, maybe you can 
 try copying it to the same place on the the hard drive that you copy 
 the Debian installation stuff to.
 
 I'm not sure what you mean by doing this with/without vmware.


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Re: Can I insall from xp partition?

2011-11-04 Thread Selim T. Erdogan
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On Fri, Nov 04, 2011 at 07:00:48AM -0700, rose perry wrote:
 I cant run the install.bat from xp.  It dispalys not enough
 memory.  And its ment fpr 95 and other systems before
 xp.  :(
 
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Selim T. Erdogan se...@alumni.cs.utexas.edu
 To: rose perry v0r...@att.net
 Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org debian-user@lists.debian.org
 Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2011 2:02 PM
 Subject: Re: Can I insall from xp partition?
 
 rose perry,  2.11.2011:
  Hello I'm trying to install debian but the debian installer from goodbye 
  microsoft does not work, Because
  my network card requires Firmware.  Nothing seems to work for me.  So Im 
  going to try and dl a cd or 2 to 
  
  get it working, And install from XP if this is possible please let me 
  know.  Maybe freeware version of VMware?
  But I think I remember this was possible without vmware?  As long as you 
  had the data on xp.
  I have no cd's or dvd's or usb keys.  Im in the hospital with a broken leg 
  and got another month or 2 here.
  I got other complications too.  So Im looking for a way to install debian 
  the old fashion way.  But
  I can't remember how.  Any Advice or any thing would be greatly 
  appreciated.  
 
 I installed straight from MS Windows for somebody once.  It involved
 downloading some files to the hard drive (in MS Windows), putting them
 in a certain place, and then running an exe file.  Can't remember the 
 exact details since it's been quite a while but AFAICR I just followed 
 instructions in the Debian installation manual.
 
 Looking around, I see that
 http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s01.html.en#boot-win32
 has instructions.  It sounds like you need to download 
 an installation image (iso file), which will contain the necessary files
 (setup.exe and others).  I'm not sure how straightforward it is to get 
 those files from the iso without writing it to a cd or usb stick, but 
 somebody else might have suggestions on that.
 
 About the firmware, if you can obtain the necessary files, maybe you can 
 try copying it to the same place on the the hard drive that you copy 
 the Debian installation stuff to.
 
 I'm not sure what you mean by doing this with/without vmware.


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Re: Can I insall from xp partition?

2011-11-04 Thread Selim T. Erdogan
Selim T. Erdogan,  4.11.2011:
 (putting your reply back on the list)
 
 On Fri, Nov 04, 2011 at 03:42:47AM -0700, rose perry wrote:
  oh vmware used to load the os.

If you mean using vmware somehow to load debian directly onto the hw,
that I don't know about.  If you mean installing a virtual machine
like vmware onto windows xp, and then installing debian within this
vm, that's possible.  A couple of months ago I installed VirtualBox 
(virtualbox.org) on Windows and installed Debian squeeze into it.  
(This was MS Windows 7, I think, but it shouldn't be a problem with XP.)

  - Original Message -
  From: Selim T. Erdogan se...@alumni.cs.utexas.edu
  To: rose perry v0r...@att.net
  Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org debian-user@lists.debian.org
  Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2011 2:02 PM
  Subject: Re: Can I insall from xp partition?
  
  rose perry,  2.11.2011:
   Hello I'm trying to install debian but the debian installer from goodbye 
   microsoft does not work, Because
   my network card requires Firmware.  Nothing seems to work for me.  So Im 
   going to try and dl a cd or 2 to 
   
   get it working, And install from XP if this is possible please let me 
   know.  Maybe freeware version of VMware?
   But I think I remember this was possible without vmware?  As long as you 
   had the data on xp.
   I have no cd's or dvd's or usb keys.  Im in the hospital with a broken 
   leg and got another month or 2 here.
   I got other complications too.  So Im looking for a way to install debian 
   the old fashion way.  But
   I can't remember how.  Any Advice or any thing would be greatly 
   appreciated.  
  
  I installed straight from MS Windows for somebody once.  It involved
  downloading some files to the hard drive (in MS Windows), putting them
  in a certain place, and then running an exe file.  Can't remember the 
  exact details since it's been quite a while but AFAICR I just followed 
  instructions in the Debian installation manual.
  
  Looking around, I see that
  http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s01.html.en#boot-win32
  has instructions.  It sounds like you need to download 
  an installation image (iso file), which will contain the necessary files
  (setup.exe and others).  I'm not sure how straightforward it is to get 
  those files from the iso without writing it to a cd or usb stick, but 
  somebody else might have suggestions on that.
  
  About the firmware, if you can obtain the necessary files, maybe you can 
  try copying it to the same place on the the hard drive that you copy 
  the Debian installation stuff to.
  
  I'm not sure what you mean by doing this with/without vmware.


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Re: Can I insall from xp partition?

2011-11-04 Thread Selim T. Erdogan
Selim T. Erdogan,  4.11.2011:
 (putting your reply back on the list)
 
 On Fri, Nov 04, 2011 at 07:00:48AM -0700, rose perry wrote:
  I cant run the install.bat from xp.  It dispalys not enough
  memory.  And its ment fpr 95 and other systems before
  xp.  :(

As I said, I don't remember the details because it was long ago, but
I'm pretty sure I did it from XP.  Where did you get the install.bat
file from?  I thought there was supposed to be a setup.exe file...
(On the web I see reports of people doing it on XP.)

  - Original Message -
  From: Selim T. Erdogan se...@alumni.cs.utexas.edu
  To: rose perry v0r...@att.net
  Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org debian-user@lists.debian.org
  Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2011 2:02 PM
  Subject: Re: Can I insall from xp partition?
  
  rose perry,  2.11.2011:
   Hello I'm trying to install debian but the debian installer from goodbye 
   microsoft does not work, Because
   my network card requires Firmware.  Nothing seems to work for me.  So Im 
   going to try and dl a cd or 2 to 
   
   get it working, And install from XP if this is possible please let me 
   know.  Maybe freeware version of VMware?
   But I think I remember this was possible without vmware?  As long as you 
   had the data on xp.
   I have no cd's or dvd's or usb keys.  Im in the hospital with a broken 
   leg and got another month or 2 here.
   I got other complications too.  So Im looking for a way to install debian 
   the old fashion way.  But
   I can't remember how.  Any Advice or any thing would be greatly 
   appreciated.  
  
  I installed straight from MS Windows for somebody once.  It involved
  downloading some files to the hard drive (in MS Windows), putting them
  in a certain place, and then running an exe file.  Can't remember the 
  exact details since it's been quite a while but AFAICR I just followed 
  instructions in the Debian installation manual.
  
  Looking around, I see that
  http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s01.html.en#boot-win32
  has instructions.  It sounds like you need to download 
  an installation image (iso file), which will contain the necessary files
  (setup.exe and others).  I'm not sure how straightforward it is to get 
  those files from the iso without writing it to a cd or usb stick, but 
  somebody else might have suggestions on that.
  
  About the firmware, if you can obtain the necessary files, maybe you can 
  try copying it to the same place on the the hard drive that you copy 
  the Debian installation stuff to.
  
  I'm not sure what you mean by doing this with/without vmware.


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Re: Can I insall from xp partition?

2011-11-04 Thread Sian Mountbatten
Brian wrote:

 On Thu 03 Nov 2011 at 17:29:57 +, Sian Mountbatten wrote:
 
 Well, I popped downstairs and asked my local computer consultant
 whether he could sell me a USB stick. He had a small one (yes,
 he said it was small) with only 4GB (which to me is vast) for
 only £15. I bought it, inserted it into my desktop which had
 
 15 GBP!!! You were done. But it's worth the price for getting Debian
 installed.
 
I must admit that the fact that I was done does rankle somewhat.
It simply means that I shall never buy anything from him again.

However, I now Debian wheezy working on my laptop. No more Ubuntu.

Give me a Debian system any time.
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Re: Can I insall from xp partition?

2011-11-04 Thread Selim T. Erdogan
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On Fri, Nov 04, 2011 at 12:46:18PM -0700, rose perry wrote:
 OkI used the ubuntu windows installer and rebooted to ubuntu,  But it's 
 painfully slow.  But they got wireless working.  No need for firmware.  

The slowness could be due to low memory, which you mentioned in an earlier
message.  How much memory do you have?  If you're using Gnome with little
memory (say, 256MB) you'll be better off using a lighter desktop.  (Like
lxde.)

 Now how do I get debian on here?

I haven't tried installing Debian from an existing GNU/Linux installation
but there are instructions at

http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s01.html.en#boot-initrd

Don't know where you should put the firmware files but somebody else
might.


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Re: Can I insall from xp partition?

2011-11-03 Thread Camaleón
On Wed, 02 Nov 2011 18:59:01 -0700, rose perry wrote:

 Hello I'm trying to install debian but the debian installer from goodbye
 microsoft does not work, Because my network card requires Firmware. 

The installer allows you to put the firmware file into a floppy disk or 
USB flash drive and get it from there.

 Nothing seems to work for me.  So Im going to try and dl a cd or 2 to
 
 get it working, And install from XP if this is possible please let me
 know.  

I would go for the usual way to install any linux distribution which is 
downloading the ISO image (the first CD or DVD), then burn that file into 
an optical media (as a Boot image, nots as usual data) and then boot the 
computer from there.

 Maybe freeware version of VMware? But I think I remember this was
 possible without vmware?  As long as you had the data on xp. I have no
 cd's or dvd's or usb keys.  Im in the hospital with a broken leg and got
 another month or 2 here. I got other complications too.  So Im looking
 for a way to install debian the old fashion way.  But I can't remember
 how.  Any Advice or any thing would be greatly appreciated.

(...)

Wow... could be possible that someone in the know can perform the 
installation for you? I say this because I'm afraid you are in a 
delicated situation/scneario for performing an OS install :-?

Greetings,

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Re: Can I insall from xp partition?

2011-11-03 Thread Sian Mountbatten
rose perry wrote:

 Hello I'm trying to install debian but the debian installer from 
goodbye
 microsoft does not work, Because my network card requires Firmware. 
 Nothing seems to work for me.  So Im going to try and dl a cd or 2 to
 
 get it working, And install from XP if this is possible please let me
 know.  Maybe freeware version of VMware? But I think I remember this 
was
 possible without vmware?  As long as you had the data on xp. I have 
no
 cd's or dvd's or usb keys.  Im in the hospital with a broken leg and 
got
 another month or 2 here. I got other complications too.  So Im 
looking for
 a way to install debian the old fashion way.  But I can't remember 
how. 
 Any Advice or any thing would be greatly appreciated.
 
 
 I need an OS that challenges me.  I'm bored, Extremely bored and sick 
of
 xp or wintendo! hehe
 
 desperately yours Tommy.
I tried to load wheezy on my laptop, but the Debian installer
asked for firmware from removable devices and gave floppies or a
USB stick as alternatives.

Well, I popped downstairs and asked my local computer consultant
whether he could sell me a USB stick. He had a small one (yes,
he said it was small) with only 4GB (which to me is vast) for
only £15. I bought it, inserted it into my desktop which had
Ubuntu on a second disk drive, mounted the drive, went to
/lib/firmware and copied the firmware I wanted to the USB
stick. I then removed the stick and stuck it into one of the
USB slots on my laptop. Installed the wheezy DVD-R into the
portable USB DVD-ROM drive, rebooted from the DVD-ROM drive
and the Debian installer installed wheezy onto my laptop
with no problems. It did not even ask for the required
firmware---it must have detected it on the USB stick!

Try wheezy and maybe your problem will disappear.

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Re: Can I insall from xp partition?

2011-11-03 Thread Brian
On Thu 03 Nov 2011 at 17:29:57 +, Sian Mountbatten wrote:

 Well, I popped downstairs and asked my local computer consultant
 whether he could sell me a USB stick. He had a small one (yes,
 he said it was small) with only 4GB (which to me is vast) for
 only £15. I bought it, inserted it into my desktop which had

15 GBP!!! You were done. But it's worth the price for getting Debian
installed.


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Re: Can I insall from xp partition?

2011-11-03 Thread Walter Hurry
On Thu, 03 Nov 2011 17:29:57 +, Sian Mountbatten wrote:

 USB stick. He had a small one (yes, he said it was
 small) with only 4GB (which to me is vast) for only £15

LOL. A fiver at most.



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Re: Can I insall from xp partition?

2011-11-03 Thread Selim T. Erdogan
rose perry,  2.11.2011:
 Hello I'm trying to install debian but the debian installer from goodbye 
 microsoft does not work, Because
 my network card requires Firmware.  Nothing seems to work for me.  So Im 
 going to try and dl a cd or 2 to 
 
 get it working, And install from XP if this is possible please let me know.  
 Maybe freeware version of VMware?
 But I think I remember this was possible without vmware?  As long as you had 
 the data on xp.
 I have no cd's or dvd's or usb keys.  Im in the hospital with a broken leg 
 and got another month or 2 here.
 I got other complications too.  So Im looking for a way to install debian the 
 old fashion way.  But
 I can't remember how.  Any Advice or any thing would be greatly appreciated.  

I installed straight from MS Windows for somebody once.  It involved
downloading some files to the hard drive (in MS Windows), putting them
in a certain place, and then running an exe file.  Can't remember the 
exact details since it's been quite a while but AFAICR I just followed 
instructions in the Debian installation manual.

Looking around, I see that
http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s01.html.en#boot-win32
has instructions.  It sounds like you need to download 
an installation image (iso file), which will contain the necessary files
(setup.exe and others).  I'm not sure how straightforward it is to get 
those files from the iso without writing it to a cd or usb stick, but 
somebody else might have suggestions on that.

About the firmware, if you can obtain the necessary files, maybe you can 
try copying it to the same place on the the hard drive that you copy 
the Debian installation stuff to.

I'm not sure what you mean by doing this with/without vmware.


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Can I insall from xp partition?

2011-11-02 Thread rose perry
Hello I'm trying to install debian but the debian installer from goodbye 
microsoft does not work, Because
my network card requires Firmware.  Nothing seems to work for me.  So Im going 
to try and dl a cd or 2 to 

get it working, And install from XP if this is possible please let me know.  
Maybe freeware version of VMware?
But I think I remember this was possible without vmware?  As long as you had 
the data on xp.
I have no cd's or dvd's or usb keys.  Im in the hospital with a broken leg and 
got another month or 2 here.
I got other complications too.  So Im looking for a way to install debian the 
old fashion way.  But
I can't remember how.  Any Advice or any thing would be greatly appreciated.  


I need an OS that challenges me.  I'm bored, Extremely bored and sick of xp or 
wintendo! hehe

desperately yours Tommy.