Re: Can you install programs without apt packages?

2002-12-31 Thread Scott
Colin: 

"There's a guide to "Using APT Offline" in /usr/share/doc/apt (once you've 
installed) which may be of help. 

Abstract 

This document describes how to use APT in a non-networked environment,
specifically a 'sneaker-net' approach for performing upgrades. 

You can certainly compile things yourself if you like, but that's likely to 
involve shipping more data around in the long run; there are usually 
build-dependencies to consider." 


Thanks Colin, 

That is exactly the kind of documentation I need to dig up then.  I am glad 
to see that I am not the only one in this scenario! 

Scott 



Greg Madden writes: 

"You can get all the Debian packages on 7  cd's or 1 DVD.  APT works with 
these, (apt-cdrom add). There may be some new gotta have app that isn't 
available from Debian, but Debin woody is 7 cd's of packages, or a 4.5g DVD."


Thanks Greg, 

I am fortunate enough to have all 7 discs, so maybe this will be good enough 
for me alone.  I only have a 4 GB HD, so I could fill it up fairly quick 
with all of those apps!  I would want to update to the most current versions 
of GNOME, WINE, etc, so I may have enought to play around with and learn on 
to keep me satisfied for a while. 

If only I can get ahold of a big, fat HD and a cable modem... 

:) 

Scott 


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Re: Can you install programs without apt packages?

2002-12-31 Thread Greg Madden
On Tuesday 31 December 2002 10:09 am, Scott wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am fairly new to the Linux world and am going through all of the
> documentation and installation info for Debian 3.0.
>
> I will have a system that is going to be offline and probably never
> connected to the internet.  Am I going to be able to choose source files
> and tarballs, etc. to compile on this system offline, or am I going to be
> screwed on updating since I will not have an internet connection on it for
> a while?
>
> Just curious, as I don't see this in the docs or forums.  I see everyone
> loving apt-get and Gentoo's portage, but that is not going to work on my
> current setup.  In the future, yes, but I don't know how long it will be.
>
> Scott

You can get all the Debian packages on 7  cd's or 1 DVD.  APT works with 
these, (apt-cdrom add). There may be some new gotta have app that isn't 
available from Debian, but Debin woody is 7 cd's of packages, or a 4.5g DVD. 
I believe that some of the cd vendors who offer Debian also do testing & 
unstable versions. 

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Re: Can you install programs without apt packages?

2002-12-31 Thread Colin Watson
On Tue, Dec 31, 2002 at 07:09:47PM +, Scott wrote:
> I am fairly new to the Linux world and am going through all of the 
> documentation and installation info for Debian 3.0. 
> 
> I will have a system that is going to be offline and probably never 
> connected to the internet.  Am I going to be able to choose source files 
> and tarballs, etc. to compile on this system offline, or am I going to be 
> screwed on updating since I will not have an internet connection on it for 
> a while? 

There's a guide to "Using APT Offline" in /usr/share/doc/apt (once
you've installed) which may be of help.

  Abstract

  This document describes how to use APT in a non-networked environment,
  specifically a 'sneaker-net' approach for performing upgrades.

You can certainly compile things yourself if you like, but that's likely
to involve shipping more data around in the long run; there are usually
build-dependencies to consider.

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Re: Can you install programs without apt packages?

2002-12-31 Thread Oliver Elphick
On Tue, 2002-12-31 at 19:09, Scott wrote:
> Hi, 
> 
> I am fairly new to the Linux world and am going through all of the 
> documentation and installation info for Debian 3.0. 
> 
> I will have a system that is going to be offline and probably never 
> connected to the internet.  Am I going to be able to choose source files and 
> tarballs, etc. to compile on this system offline, or am I going to be 
> screwed on updating since I will not have an internet connection on it for a 
> while? 

You can compile anything you like, though without a net connection you
will obviously be limited to things you can get from other sources.  For
Debian packages, you can use apt with a local repository or a set of
CDs.

> Just curious, as I don't see this in the docs or forums.  I see everyone 
> loving apt-get and Gentoo's portage, but that is not going to work on my 
> current setup.  In the future, yes, but I don't know how long it will be. 

If you have a bare package file (foo*.deb) you can install it directly
with dpkg, though you may have to spend time tracking down dependencies
and acquiring the relevant packages.

You can use alien to convert a tarball or rpm into a Debian pacakge
(results NOT guaranteed!), or you can compile from source and install in
/usr/local (to avoid conflicts with packages).

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Can you install programs without apt packages?

2002-12-31 Thread Scott
Hi, 

I am fairly new to the Linux world and am going through all of the 
documentation and installation info for Debian 3.0. 

I will have a system that is going to be offline and probably never 
connected to the internet.  Am I going to be able to choose source files and 
tarballs, etc. to compile on this system offline, or am I going to be 
screwed on updating since I will not have an internet connection on it for a 
while? 

Just curious, as I don't see this in the docs or forums.  I see everyone 
loving apt-get and Gentoo's portage, but that is not going to work on my 
current setup.  In the future, yes, but I don't know how long it will be. 

Scott 


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