Re: Cc: ing to debian-user when replying to a question
On Wed, Mar 21, 2001 at 01:09:11AM -0700, Jimmy Richards wrote: > > Greetings Jason, Jim, and Karsten, > > > > I appreciate and want to thank you for your responses. They > certainly made me more knowledgeable about how to reply on this > mailing list. > All three of you said you use mutt. I have been using 'evolution' > lately. It's very nice and I like it, but I do seem to be having > trouble getting to make paragraphs like I want it to. I kinda gave > up on it for now. It is a beta, and I am using the cvs version > though. I have heard other people say they like mutt also. But I do > not know anything about it other than it is a mail application. I am > going to try it out though and will hopefully be using by tommorrow. > > > mutt has a fairly steep learning curve compared to evolution. But is well worth the learning. Together with a good procmail setup, you can do just about anything with the mail. www.mutt.org is the place to go for info on mutt. There are a couple of maillists there also Evolution is supposed to be more than just an mua yes? how'd you like the rest of the prog? -- Jim Richardson Anarchist, pagan and proud of it WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
Re: Cc: ing to debian-user when replying to a question
Jimmy Richards wrote: > There is something I have been confused/wondering about for some > time. I thought I once saw someone say in their reply that they > didn't need to Cc: to debian-user@lists.debian.org when replying to > a message because they are already signed up on the mailing list. You've got it backwards. They would've said that the other person didn't need to cc their personal address as well as the list, because they would get the message through the mailing list anyway. I've deliberately replied to you in the said manner. You should get two of these messages, one directly to your email address and one through your subscription to debian-user. > It > looks like I am seeing two messages from some people who have > replied to a question from someone. Which to me means that they > replied to the the person asking the question, and Cc:'d to > debian-users lists, resulting in me(and everyone on the mailing list > I imagine) receiving two replys that are exactly the same. This doesn't make sense. If you are getting two messages, it would be because *your* email address was cc'd, as well as debian-user. You won't get two messages just because someone cc'd someone elses email address. You'll just get the copy that was sent to debian-user. > One of > them being an unessary duplicate because of the Cc:. I have been Cc > my replies to the debian-user list lately because I thought maybe my > responses were only going to the person I was replying to. But I > don't know. Do I need to put in the Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org > if I want to make sure it goes out to everyone? Of course you do. If you send a private reply to someone (ie. you only have their email address in the To & CC fields), would you expect it to go to anyone else? Most mailers have a 'reply' option and a 'reply all' option. The 'reply' option replies only to the person in the 'From:' field, whereas 'reply all' option replies to the person in the 'From:' field, and everyone in the 'To:' and 'CC:' fields as well. As has already been mentioned, mutt has a 'reply to list' option as well which I'm sure would come in handy. I usually just press 'reply all' and be done with it. I've been flamed for it in the past, because some people can't handle receiving two of the same email, but quite frankly I don't care. Filter out duplicates with Procmail if you don't like it. > Or is this automatic > because I am signed up on the mail list. When you send email to debian-user@lists.debian.org, the mail list software takes that email and sends a copy to everyone that is subscribed.
Re: Cc: ing to debian-user when replying to a question
* Jimmy Richards ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > Greetings Jason, Jim, and Karsten, > > > > I appreciate and want to thank you for your responses. They > certainly made me more knowledgeable about how to reply on this > mailing list. > All three of you said you use mutt. I have been using 'evolution' > lately. It's very nice and I like it, but I do seem to be having > trouble getting to make paragraphs like I want it to. I kinda gave > up on it for now. It is a beta, and I am using the cvs version > though. I have heard other people say they like mutt also. But I do > not know anything about it other than it is a mail application. I am > going to try it out though and will hopefully be using by tommorrow. > I found that I didn't like mutt very well in its original form. Fortunately it is very customizable. I really like www.linuxbrit.co.uk's .muttrc. I am happy to say that I have falled for mutt it is so easy to handle list mail and a good .muttrc is important. -- Steven Isaacson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://spi.panaverse.com
Re: Cc: ing to debian-user when replying to a question
Greetings Jason, Jim, and Karsten, I appreciate and want to thank you for your responses. They certainly made me more knowledgeable about how to reply on this mailing list. All three of you said you use mutt. I have been using 'evolution' lately. It's very nice and I like it, but I do seem to be having trouble getting to make paragraphs like I want it to. I kinda gave up on it for now. It is a beta, and I am using the cvs version though. I have heard other people say they like mutt also. But I do not know anything about it other than it is a mail application. I am going to try it out though and will hopefully be using by tommorrow. Thanks you fellow debian users! Jimmy Richards
Re: Cc: ing to debian-user when replying to a question
On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 11:53:13PM -0700, Jimmy Richards wrote: > Hi All, > > > There is something I have been confused/wondering about for some > time. I thought I once saw someone say in their reply that they > didn't need to Cc: to debian-user@lists.debian.org when replying to > a message because they are already signed up on the mailing list. It > looks like I am seeing two messages from some people who have > replied to a question from someone. Which to me means that they > replied to the the person asking the question, and Cc:'d to > debian-users lists, resulting in me(and everyone on the mailing list > I imagine) receiving two replys that are exactly the same. One of of > them being an unessary duplicate because of the Cc:. I have been Cc > my replies to the debian-user list lately because I thought maybe my > responses were only going to the person I was replying to. But I > don't know. Do I need to put in the Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org > if I want to make sure it goes out to everyone? Or is this automatic > because I am signed up on the mail list. I tried looking at the FAQ > for the mailing list to see if I could find anything about this > subject, but didn't see anything on it. I'm wodering if I don't need > to be Cc'ing, then how does that work? How does it go out to > everyone? If someone could enlighten me I'd sure appreciate it. > Excuse me for my ignorance on this matter, but I thinking I might > not be the only one cornfused... :-) > > > Sincerely, > > Jimmy Richards > > It is dependant on your mailer, I use mutt, which can be configured to reply to the List, even if the mail was from a persons account, provided that the headers included a list address I was subscribed to (or aware of) Look in the help docs for mutt. For other mua, I have no idea -- Jim Richardson Anarchist, pagan and proud of it WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
Re: Cc: ing to debian-user when replying to a question
on Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 11:53:13PM -0700, Jimmy Richards ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Hi All, > > > There is something I have been confused/wondering about for some > time. I thought I once saw someone say in their reply that they > didn't need to Cc: to debian-user@lists.debian.org when replying > to a message because they are already signed up on the mailing > list. It looks like I am seeing two messages from some people who > have replied to a question from someone. Typical practice is to reply to list mail on-list. Sending mail to the orignal sender only clearly won't send mail to list. However, sending mail to both the sender and list generally means the sender gets two copies of mail. I generally *don't* CC: sender unless it's specifically requested (generally by people who aren't subscribed to the list). > Which to me means that they replied to the the person asking the > question, and Cc:'d to debian-users lists, resulting in me(and > everyone on the mailing list I imagine) receiving two replys that > are exactly the same. One of of them being an unessary duplicate > because of the Cc:. A good mail client (mutt) has three "reply to" functions: - Reply to sender. Generates a response *only* to the person who originated a message. - Reply to group (or all): Generates a response to *each* addressee of the original message. - Reply to list: Generates a response *only* to the _mailing list_ the original message was posted to. My own very strong preference is that list mail be responded to on list and that I *not* be CC'd. Taking list mail private in followup requests for assistance borders on rude. If I'm feeling generous, I may respond to list. If I'm not, I'll instruct the person that I don't respond to off-list mail regarding list topic. Or I'll simply delete the mail. My incoming load is about 500 messages daily. I prefer to keep it streamlined. And I'm not infrequently wrong about things. Allowances in all cases granted to friends and special-case topics, but it had better be well wide of list material. > I have been Cc my replies to the debian-user list lately because I > thought maybe my responses were only going to the person I was > replying to. Easy tip: check the addressing of the email you're sending. This is a very good idea in any event. Mailing the wrong thing to the wrong person can range anywhere from annoying to severly embarassing or worse. At the risk (no, certainty) of repeating myself: send list mail to list. > But I don't know. Do I need to put in the Cc: > debian-user@lists.debian.org if I want to make sure it goes out to > everyone? Or is this automatic because I am signed up on the mail > list. Oh, one more thing: Paragraphs are good. Whitespace is amazingly cheap for the information value conveyed. -- Karsten M. Self http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? There is no K5 cabal http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ http://www.kuro5hin.org pgpbkYMuZK7ea.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Cc: ing to debian-user when replying to a question
I'm guessing it depends on your mail app. I use mutt and unless I actively CC: the list, it only goes to the author of the original message. But some mail apps will automatically put the incoming CC: addresses into the reply's CC:. The fact that you're subscribed to the mailing list doesn't matter when you respond. Your mail client doesn't care about lists, it cares about the addresses in the fields. If you changed your To: to be the list address, then it would forward the message to the rest of us, but if you just send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED], it has no way of knowing to copy it to the list. You should get two copies of this mail, one directly mailed to you and one redirected by the list server. On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 11:53:13PM -0700, Jimmy Richards scribbled... > Hi All, > > > There is something I have been confused/wondering about for some > time. I thought I once saw someone say in their reply that they > didn't need to Cc: to debian-user@lists.debian.org when replying to > a message because they are already signed up on the mailing list. It > looks like I am seeing two messages from some people who have > replied to a question from someone. Which to me means that they > replied to the the person asking the question, and Cc:'d to > debian-users lists, resulting in me(and everyone on the mailing list > I imagine) receiving two replys that are exactly the same. One of of > them being an unessary duplicate because of the Cc:. I have been Cc > my replies to the debian-user list lately because I thought maybe my > responses were only going to the person I was replying to. But I > don't know. Do I need to put in the Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org > if I want to make sure it goes out to everyone? Or is this automatic > because I am signed up on the mail list. I tried looking at the FAQ > for the mailing list to see if I could find anything about this > subject, but didn't see anything on it. I'm wodering if I don't need > to be Cc'ing, then how does that work? How does it go out to > everyone? If someone could enlighten me I'd sure appreciate it. > Excuse me for my ignorance on this matter, but I thinking I might > not be the only one cornfused... :-) > > > Sincerely, > > Jimmy Richards > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: ing to debian-user when replying to a question
Hi All, There is something I have been confused/wondering about for some time. I thought I once saw someone say in their reply that they didn't need to Cc: to debian-user@lists.debian.org when replying to a message because they are already signed up on the mailing list. It looks like I am seeing two messages from some people who have replied to a question from someone. Which to me means that they replied to the the person asking the question, and Cc:'d to debian-users lists, resulting in me(and everyone on the mailing list I imagine) receiving two replys that are exactly the same. One of of them being an unessary duplicate because of the Cc:. I have been Cc my replies to the debian-user list lately because I thought maybe my responses were only going to the person I was replying to. But I don't know. Do I need to put in the Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org if I want to make sure it goes out to everyone? Or is this automatic because I am signed up on the mail list. I tried looking at the FAQ for the mailing list to see if I could find anything about this subject, but didn't see anything on it. I'm wodering if I don't need to be Cc'ing, then how does that work? How does it go out to everyone? If someone could enlighten me I'd sure appreciate it. Excuse me for my ignorance on this matter, but I thinking I might not be the only one cornfused... :-) Sincerely, Jimmy Richards
