Re: Chromium Xperience
On 06/15/2010 10:12 PM, green wrote: Ron Johnson wrote at 2010-06-14 20:45 -0600: On 06/14/2010 09:07 PM, green wrote: KS wrote at 2010-05-18 20:15 -0600: What is the experience of other users who have tested out Chromium in Debian? I like chromium. To me it seems faster and the interface more efficient. Iceweasel (on amd64) always crashed occasionally for me. I don't recall that Eh? Always occasionally? Hmm, that's a tricky one for me to put into English. Ah. - Across different versions, Iceweasel would crash occasionally. - Iceweasel's "occasional crashing" behavior remained the same for a long time. Note that by "occasional" I mean maybe once every 2 weeks, with several windows and a total of maybe 40 tabs. That happened to me occasionally, with 200 tabs (many full of busy components) in 6 windows open for weeks. I always attributed it to running out of process space. Doesn't happen on amd64, even with 32-bit Flash. (Note, though, that I run v3.0.4 from Experimental.) -- Seek truth from facts. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c185142.1040...@cox.net
Re: Chromium Xperience
Ron Johnson wrote at 2010-06-14 20:45 -0600: > On 06/14/2010 09:07 PM, green wrote: > >KS wrote at 2010-05-18 20:15 -0600: > >>What is the experience of other users who have tested out Chromium in > >>Debian? > > > >I like chromium. To me it seems faster and the interface more efficient. > >Iceweasel (on amd64) always crashed occasionally for me. I don't recall that > > Eh? Always occasionally? Hmm, that's a tricky one for me to put into English. - Across different versions, Iceweasel would crash occasionally. - Iceweasel's "occasional crashing" behavior remained the same for a long time. Note that by "occasional" I mean maybe once every 2 weeks, with several windows and a total of maybe 40 tabs. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Chromium Xperience
Hello On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 3:15 AM, KS wrote: > I feel it is more responsive and is "faster" than Iceweasel This could > If you have little against non-open-source programmes, you might also want to try Opera >10.50. It has not been released yet [1], but here I am playing with beta releases and they look very promising. UI responsiveness and rendering speed are at least as good as Chromium's, although Opera boasts that it's the fastest in the world while some benchmark sites seem to confirm this. Start-up speed is much improved, albeit bit slower than Chromium and perhaps on par with Iceweasel. It passes acid3, while Chromium and Iceweasel fail (at least the versions that I have installed here in Squeeze). Lastly, the interface is cleanly revamped and converges to that of Chromium, although maintaining the Opera-ish specifics. Not of interest to KDE users, on Xfce (and Gnome, I suspect) the interface is *very* GTK feel-alike, not least via the GTK filechooser and print dialogues. To echo previous posters, another promising open-source project is Midori. Regards Liviu [1] http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktilyk-85v6l-4kk6mavegue0uaxi5kn7ilw8n...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Chromium Xperience
On 06/14/2010 09:07 PM, green wrote: KS wrote at 2010-05-18 20:15 -0600: What is the experience of other users who have tested out Chromium in Debian? I like chromium. To me it seems faster and the interface more efficient. Iceweasel (on amd64) always crashed occasionally for me. I don't recall that Eh? Always occasionally? chromium has crashed (even a single tab) for me yet. Iceweasel also seems to have significant memory leaks, and the memory is not recovered by closing all the tabs (but 1). That's true... -- "There is usually only a limited amount of damage that can be done by dull or stupid people. For creating a truly monumental disaster, you need people with high IQs." Thomas Sowell -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c16e95e.7090...@cox.net
Re: Chromium Xperience
KS wrote at 2010-05-18 20:15 -0600: > What is the experience of other users who have tested out Chromium in > Debian? I like chromium. To me it seems faster and the interface more efficient. Iceweasel (on amd64) always crashed occasionally for me. I don't recall that chromium has crashed (even a single tab) for me yet. Iceweasel also seems to have significant memory leaks, and the memory is not recovered by closing all the tabs (but 1). With chromium a closed tab ends a process, so hopefully any existing memory leaks have a significantly lesser impact on the system's resources. There has been a shortage of good browsers in the past in my opinion. Now there are 2 promising browsers beside chromium: uzbl and midori. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Chromium Xperience
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 05:53:10PM -0400, KS uttered: > Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: > > > > Good question. I now use Google Chrome 5.0.375.38 beta exclusively. > > I loaded it down from their site. Is there a debian package? > > > chromium-browser It's not current as of this moment though. Debian is still using the old 5.x branch while 6.x has been current for several weeks. The 6.0 is considerably faster, (for me) hopefully the maintainer will update his package soon! Hate to have to go back to using Ubuntu's repository for just a recent Chromium-browser. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100521153852.gb5...@google.com
Re: Chromium Xperience
Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: > > Good question. I now use Google Chrome 5.0.375.38 beta exclusively. > I loaded it down from their site. Is there a debian package? > chromium-browser -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4bf45dc6.9020...@fastmail.fm
Re: Chromium Xperience
KS wrote: Hi all, I have been an Iceweasel user since it entered Debian repositories. A few days ago I discovered that Chromium was also available for Debian and installed it. I feel it is more responsive and is "faster" than Iceweasel This could be due to Chromium using different task for every tab it opens and using its own window decorations (Iceweasel uses GTK+ and I use KDE). Even with each tab increasing the use of memory by about 30MB, it still feels faster than Iceweasel. No real tests done here, but Chromium does win for responsiveness to a casual user. Being an Iceweasel user with the Adblock+ extension, I'm accustomed to (almost) adfree web browsing. This hasn't worked as smoothly with Chromium. There is an Adblock extension available for Chromium, but it works in a different way that it shows the advertisement while the page is loading and then hides the element. This is not as clean as Iceweasel (firefox). In addition, the extension didn't block Google adverts! Iceweasel takes this round (very important). And then comes the topic of shortcuts. I love the "/" shortcut for Iceweasel, Chromium still uses the two-key combination of Ctrl+F! Another fast shortcut is the Ctrl+Shift+Del which brings up the priate data delete box. In Chromium one has to go through either preferences or first History > Edit Items and then delete. Chromium was also behaving oddly when playing flash video on full screen. The video was full screen but behind the browser window! The Adblock+ advantage with Iceweasel is the one factor which might keep me away from Chromium unless better adblocking is implemented. What is the experience of other users who have tested out Chromium in Debian? Good question. I now use Google Chrome 5.0.375.38 beta exclusively. I loaded it down from their site. Is there a debian package? Pro's: 1. I also feel it is more responsive than IW . 2. I like the screen layout better. 3. The extension development process is well documented, but I have never looked at that with IW. 4. I like the project, a nice competitor for IE, hope it clobbers it ;-) Con's: 1. How do you know when there is a new version? I got it from: http://www.google.com/chrome?platform=linux but that doesn't have the version number. 2. The bookmark manager is a mess: no way to go to the bottom of the list other than using the slide-bar on the right and who knows where he imported the IW bookmarks from, but the ain; t the ones I am using now... 3. Some of the keyboard shortcuts don't work, notable forwards (shift+backspace) and backwards (backspace) 4. Those are issues http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=22683&q=backspace&colspec=ID%20Stars%20Pri%20Area%20Feature%20Type%20Status%20Summary%20Modified%20Owner%20Mstone%20OS and http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=22771&q=backspace&colspec=ID%20Stars%20Pri%20Area%20Feature%20Type%20Status%20Summary%20Modified%20Owner%20Mstone%20OS and when do they get resolved? 5. On IW you can setup autoscroll, but in chrome not. I'll update the list when I think of more items. Hugo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/ht11u6$dh...@dough.gmane.org
Re: Chromium Xperience
On 05/18/2010 11:23 PM, Kelly Clowers wrote: On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 19:15, KS wrote: Hi all, I have been an Iceweasel user since it entered Debian repositories. A few days ago I discovered that Chromium was also available for Debian and installed it. I feel it is more responsive and is "faster" than Iceweasel This could be due to Chromium using different task for every tab it opens and using its own window decorations (Iceweasel uses GTK+ and I use KDE). Even with each tab increasing the use of memory by about 30MB, it still feels faster than Iceweasel. No real tests done here, but Chromium does win for responsiveness to a casual user. Being an Iceweasel user with the Adblock+ extension, I'm accustomed to (almost) adfree web browsing. This hasn't worked as smoothly with Chromium. There is an Adblock extension available for Chromium, but it works in a different way that it shows the advertisement while the page is loading and then hides the element. This is not as clean as Iceweasel (firefox). In addition, the extension didn't block Google adverts! Iceweasel takes this round (very important). And then comes the topic of shortcuts. I love the "/" shortcut for Iceweasel, Chromium still uses the two-key combination of Ctrl+F! Another fast shortcut is the Ctrl+Shift+Del which brings up the priate data delete box. In Chromium one has to go through either preferences or first History> Edit Items and then delete. Chromium was also behaving oddly when playing flash video on full screen. The video was full screen but behind the browser window! The Adblock+ advantage with Iceweasel is the one factor which might keep me away from Chromium unless better adblocking is implemented. What is the experience of other users who have tested out Chromium in Debian? I have the dev build installed. I used it a bit to play with Youtube's html5 version. I guess it's kind of fast, but I didn't really notice, although I didn't feel like using in a realistic browsing session of mine. I am kind of curious about how it would work when every session involves reopening 50-120 tabs (which is normal for me), but I can't tolerate the UI for that long -_- To the extent I did use it, it worked ok. On one of the dev updates, html5 audio was broken, but I filed a bug and it was soon fixed. Cheers, Kelly Clowers Ive bee using Chrome dev channel version for several months now. I like the fact that each tab has its on process. If one crashed it does not take the whole browser with it. I watch a lot of flash videos on hulu, etc and when flash crashes or I loose audio from flash all I have to do is terminate the flash process from chrome's own task manager and restart the video. I use 2 monitors and when I watch videos on one screen I some time browse the web in another chrome window on the second monitor. I may have many tabs open which I don't want to close just to restart flash when it fails like I would in Firefox. I do use adblock for chrome but I have not seen it do mush for blocking adds. Bob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4bf405df.5030...@skyeweb.com
Re: Chromium Xperience
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 19:15, KS wrote: > Hi all, > > I have been an Iceweasel user since it entered Debian repositories. A > few days ago I discovered that Chromium was also available for Debian > and installed it. > > I feel it is more responsive and is "faster" than Iceweasel This could > be due to Chromium using different task for every tab it opens and using > its own window decorations (Iceweasel uses GTK+ and I use KDE). Even > with each tab increasing the use of memory by about 30MB, it still feels > faster than Iceweasel. No real tests done here, but Chromium does win > for responsiveness to a casual user. > > Being an Iceweasel user with the Adblock+ extension, I'm accustomed to > (almost) adfree web browsing. This hasn't worked as smoothly with > Chromium. There is an Adblock extension available for Chromium, but it > works in a different way that it shows the advertisement while the page > is loading and then hides the element. This is not as clean as Iceweasel > (firefox). In addition, the extension didn't block Google adverts! > Iceweasel takes this round (very important). > > And then comes the topic of shortcuts. I love the "/" shortcut for > Iceweasel, Chromium still uses the two-key combination of Ctrl+F! > Another fast shortcut is the Ctrl+Shift+Del which brings up the priate > data delete box. In Chromium one has to go through either preferences or > first History > Edit Items and then delete. > > Chromium was also behaving oddly when playing flash video on full > screen. The video was full screen but behind the browser window! > > The Adblock+ advantage with Iceweasel is the one factor which might keep > me away from Chromium unless better adblocking is implemented. > > What is the experience of other users who have tested out Chromium in > Debian? I have the dev build installed. I used it a bit to play with Youtube's html5 version. I guess it's kind of fast, but I didn't really notice, although I didn't feel like using in a realistic browsing session of mine. I am kind of curious about how it would work when every session involves reopening 50-120 tabs (which is normal for me), but I can't tolerate the UI for that long -_- To the extent I did use it, it worked ok. On one of the dev updates, html5 audio was broken, but I filed a bug and it was soon fixed. Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktinjqgfuf7qsmb4hlexmgrs4j06wfgmehb8kr...@mail.gmail.com
Chromium Xperience
Hi all, I have been an Iceweasel user since it entered Debian repositories. A few days ago I discovered that Chromium was also available for Debian and installed it. I feel it is more responsive and is "faster" than Iceweasel This could be due to Chromium using different task for every tab it opens and using its own window decorations (Iceweasel uses GTK+ and I use KDE). Even with each tab increasing the use of memory by about 30MB, it still feels faster than Iceweasel. No real tests done here, but Chromium does win for responsiveness to a casual user. Being an Iceweasel user with the Adblock+ extension, I'm accustomed to (almost) adfree web browsing. This hasn't worked as smoothly with Chromium. There is an Adblock extension available for Chromium, but it works in a different way that it shows the advertisement while the page is loading and then hides the element. This is not as clean as Iceweasel (firefox). In addition, the extension didn't block Google adverts! Iceweasel takes this round (very important). And then comes the topic of shortcuts. I love the "/" shortcut for Iceweasel, Chromium still uses the two-key combination of Ctrl+F! Another fast shortcut is the Ctrl+Shift+Del which brings up the priate data delete box. In Chromium one has to go through either preferences or first History > Edit Items and then delete. Chromium was also behaving oddly when playing flash video on full screen. The video was full screen but behind the browser window! The Adblock+ advantage with Iceweasel is the one factor which might keep me away from Chromium unless better adblocking is implemented. What is the experience of other users who have tested out Chromium in Debian? KS. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4bf349be.2070...@fastmail.fm
