Re: Copy from xterm to text editor........ [solved]
On Thu, 13 Jun 2024, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Thu, Jun 13, 2024 at 03:42:27PM +1000, Charlie wrote: >> For completeness. Had tried right and left at same time on touchpad of >> laptop. As it worked years ago. > > Pressing left+right buttons simultaneously was indeed one of the hacks > that people used to mimic the middle button in some X11 setups. I haven't > seen that in practice in quite some time. I think people mostly stopped > implementing it, because two-button mice (without scroll wheels) fell > out of the market. > >> Didn't think the touchpad had a middle button. Don't know why? > > I forgot about laptops with touchpads. Unfortunately, this is not > an area that I've had to research, so I don't know what the current X > and Wayland implementations do to emulate three-button mice. Maybe > someone else knows, or maybe you can find some modern-day documentation > about it on the Internet. > >> This works on a Dell Vostro laptop. >> >> Highlight the text in xterm with the left of the touchpad. >> Cursor in highlighted text, press bottom middle of touchpad. >> >> This alters the block highlight. By pressing the middle of the >> bottom of the touchpad: highlights only the lines in xterm. >> >> Go to text editor, in my instance: Kate. Place cursor where to paste. >> Dialogue box comes up. Select paste and it does that. >> >> Doesn't work in LyX but if placed in text editor Kate first, can be >> copied Ctrl+C, then in LyX, Ctrl+V. > > Since you mention xterm, you might want to read the xterm(1) man page > and what it has to say about SELECT/PASTE and specifically what it > says about the selectToClipboard option. Apparently you can configure > xterm so that what you highlight with the mouse goes into the clipboard > instead of the selection. Then, you could paste it with Shift-Insert > in another application, probably. > > I haven't tried that myself. > > Another thing you could try (this one, I actually tested): > > 1) Install the xclip package. > 2) Highlight (select) the text with the left button. > 3) Run this command, anywhere in your X session: > xclip -o -selection primary | xclip -i -selection clipboard > 4) Focus to the target application by clicking/mouse-moving. > 5) Press Shift-Insert to paste the clipboard. > > Step 3 copies the highlighted text from the selection to the clipboard, > and step 5 pastes from the clipboard. This works in a large number of > programs, including xterm, rxvt-unicode, and Google Chrome. > > If you find this useful, you will probably want to shorten step 3. > You could set up a shell alias that runs this, or a shell key binding > that runs it, or a Window Manager key binding that runs it, or any > other clever thing you can come up with. > with screen you can highlight, copy, and paste with just the keyboard i have not found a way to have screen push selections to the clipboard
Re: Copy from xterm to text editor........ [solved]
On 13/06/2024 12:42, Charlie wrote: Didn't think the touchpad had a middle button. Don't know why? Middle click can be configured for touchpads as 2 or 3 fingers tap or as simultaneous press on both hardware buttons (if they exist), see the libinput(4) man page and https://wayland.freedesktop.org/libinput/doc/latest/ Desktop environment may provide GUI for configuration. Perhaps older synaptics driver allowed to treat tap in some corner as mouse button click. In its early days wayland did not have primary selection, just clipboard. Some users and developers hate paste on middle click considering it insecure. Perhaps there are still wayland implementations supporting only clipboard. In xterm you may configure shortcuts for both primary selection and clipboard copy and paste. Search for copy-selection and insert-selection in xterm(1). It was discussed in the following thread: Re: Copy from Firefox and paste into Terminal with Vim. Tue, 6 Feb 2024 18:38:46 +0100. https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/zcjupojxfztxh...@phare.normalesup.org
Re: Copy from xterm to text editor........ [solved]
Excúseme i don’t know the xterm behavior.. El El jue, 13 jun 2024 a las 13:28, Greg Wooledge escribió: > On Thu, Jun 13, 2024 at 03:42:27PM +1000, Charlie wrote: > > For completeness. Had tried right and left at same time on touchpad of > > laptop. As it worked years ago. > > Pressing left+right buttons simultaneously was indeed one of the hacks > that people used to mimic the middle button in some X11 setups. I haven't > seen that in practice in quite some time. I think people mostly stopped > implementing it, because two-button mice (without scroll wheels) fell > out of the market. > > > Didn't think the touchpad had a middle button. Don't know why? > > I forgot about laptops with touchpads. Unfortunately, this is not > an area that I've had to research, so I don't know what the current X > and Wayland implementations do to emulate three-button mice. Maybe > someone else knows, or maybe you can find some modern-day documentation > about it on the Internet. > > > This works on a Dell Vostro laptop. > > > > Highlight the text in xterm with the left of the touchpad. > > Cursor in highlighted text, press bottom middle of touchpad. > > > > This alters the block highlight. By pressing the middle of the > > bottom of the touchpad: highlights only the lines in xterm. > > > > Go to text editor, in my instance: Kate. Place cursor where to paste. > > Dialogue box comes up. Select paste and it does that. > > > > Doesn't work in LyX but if placed in text editor Kate first, can be > > copied Ctrl+C, then in LyX, Ctrl+V. > > Since you mention xterm, you might want to read the xterm(1) man page > and what it has to say about SELECT/PASTE and specifically what it > says about the selectToClipboard option. Apparently you can configure > xterm so that what you highlight with the mouse goes into the clipboard > instead of the selection. Then, you could paste it with Shift-Insert > in another application, probably. > > I haven't tried that myself. > > Another thing you could try (this one, I actually tested): > > 1) Install the xclip package. > 2) Highlight (select) the text with the left button. > 3) Run this command, anywhere in your X session: >xclip -o -selection primary | xclip -i -selection clipboard > 4) Focus to the target application by clicking/mouse-moving. > 5) Press Shift-Insert to paste the clipboard. > > Step 3 copies the highlighted text from the selection to the clipboard, > and step 5 pastes from the clipboard. This works in a large number of > programs, including xterm, rxvt-unicode, and Google Chrome. > > If you find this useful, you will probably want to shorten step 3. > You could set up a shell alias that runs this, or a shell key binding > that runs it, or a Window Manager key binding that runs it, or any > other clever thing you can come up with. > >
Re: Copy from xterm to text editor........ [solved]
On Thursday, 13 June 2024 07:27:47 -04 Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Thu, Jun 13, 2024 at 03:42:27PM +1000, Charlie wrote: > > For completeness. Had tried right and left at same time on touchpad > > of laptop. As it worked years ago. > > Pressing left+right buttons simultaneously was indeed one of the hacks > that people used to mimic the middle button in some X11 setups. I > haven't seen that in practice in quite some time. I think people > mostly stopped implementing it, because two-button mice (without > scroll wheels) fell out of the market. > > > Didn't think the touchpad had a middle button. Don't know why? > > I forgot about laptops with touchpads. Unfortunately, this is not > an area that I've had to research, so I don't know what the current X > and Wayland implementations do to emulate three-button mice. Maybe > someone else knows, or maybe you can find some modern-day > documentation about it on the Internet. Dear Greg, on my TUXEDO Laptop the touchpad is configurable. e.g. middle mouse button == tap with two fingers or like I opted for 'tap harder onto the lower right corner' of the touchpad. just my 2 cents and thanks because I learned a lot from your posts! Kind regards Eike [rest skipped]
Re: Copy from xterm to text editor........ [solved]
On Thu, Jun 13, 2024 at 03:42:27PM +1000, Charlie wrote: > For completeness. Had tried right and left at same time on touchpad of > laptop. As it worked years ago. Pressing left+right buttons simultaneously was indeed one of the hacks that people used to mimic the middle button in some X11 setups. I haven't seen that in practice in quite some time. I think people mostly stopped implementing it, because two-button mice (without scroll wheels) fell out of the market. > Didn't think the touchpad had a middle button. Don't know why? I forgot about laptops with touchpads. Unfortunately, this is not an area that I've had to research, so I don't know what the current X and Wayland implementations do to emulate three-button mice. Maybe someone else knows, or maybe you can find some modern-day documentation about it on the Internet. > This works on a Dell Vostro laptop. > > Highlight the text in xterm with the left of the touchpad. > Cursor in highlighted text, press bottom middle of touchpad. > > This alters the block highlight. By pressing the middle of the > bottom of the touchpad: highlights only the lines in xterm. > > Go to text editor, in my instance: Kate. Place cursor where to paste. > Dialogue box comes up. Select paste and it does that. > > Doesn't work in LyX but if placed in text editor Kate first, can be > copied Ctrl+C, then in LyX, Ctrl+V. Since you mention xterm, you might want to read the xterm(1) man page and what it has to say about SELECT/PASTE and specifically what it says about the selectToClipboard option. Apparently you can configure xterm so that what you highlight with the mouse goes into the clipboard instead of the selection. Then, you could paste it with Shift-Insert in another application, probably. I haven't tried that myself. Another thing you could try (this one, I actually tested): 1) Install the xclip package. 2) Highlight (select) the text with the left button. 3) Run this command, anywhere in your X session: xclip -o -selection primary | xclip -i -selection clipboard 4) Focus to the target application by clicking/mouse-moving. 5) Press Shift-Insert to paste the clipboard. Step 3 copies the highlighted text from the selection to the clipboard, and step 5 pastes from the clipboard. This works in a large number of programs, including xterm, rxvt-unicode, and Google Chrome. If you find this useful, you will probably want to shorten step 3. You could set up a shell alias that runs this, or a shell key binding that runs it, or a Window Manager key binding that runs it, or any other clever thing you can come up with.
Re: Copy from xterm to text editor........ [solved]
Just a note Some terminal emulators don't automatically copy highlighted text. You need to copy it manually before moving to the target file It's so long since I've tolerated such terminals I'm not sure but try ctrl-alt-c Else, right click with the mouse pointer outside of highlighted text and choose copy -- All the best Keith Bainbridge keithr...@gmail.com +61 (0)447 667 468 UTC+ 10:00 From my Aphone On 13 June 2024 3:42:27 pm AEST, Charlie wrote: >On Wed, 12 Jun 2024 22:56:34 -0400 >Greg Wooledge wrote: > >> On Thu, Jun 13, 2024 at 12:16:00PM +1000, Charlie wrote: >> > Cannot recall what version of Debian stopped copying text in xterm >> > by Ctrl + C or Shift + Ctrl + C So don't know how to copy from >> > xterm >> >> xterm is a terminal emulator. Pressing Ctrl-C in a terminal emulator >> simply passes a byte (0x03) to the application running inside the >> terminal, which is usually a shell. But they're interpreted by the >> terminal driver layer first. The stty command allows you to see or >> change the bindings of control characters by the terminal driver. >> >> Ctrl-C is usually bound to the 'intr' facility in the terminal driver. >> Pressing it in a terminal sends the interrupt signal (SIGINT) to all >> running foreground processes. It does not copy text. That's a >> Windows thing, and you are not in Windows. >> >> > Unable to paste from xterm into a text editor using Ctrl + V or >> > Shift >> > + Ctrl + V >> >> Pressing Ctrl-V in a terminal emulator sends a byte (0x16) to the >> application. At the terminal driver layer, Ctrl-V is usually bound >> to the 'lnext' facility (literal next). It's like an escape sequence >> for keys. The next key you press *after* Ctrl-V will lose its special >> meaning, and will just be passed along verbatim. >> >> For example, if you press Ctrl-V Ctrl-C, it won't interrupt foreground >> processes. Instead, it will simply pass the literal 0x03 byte to the >> application. It becomes data. >> >> hobbit:~$ printf ^C | hd >> 03|.| >> 0001 >> >> The ^C there is where I pressed Ctrl-V Ctrl-C. >> >> Now, all of that is just background information. >> >> What you wanted to know, I guess, is "how to copy text between >> terminals". >> >> The first step is to highlight the text with the left mouse button. >> Drag the mouse over the text while holding the left button. This >> creates a "selection" containing the text you've selected. >> >> Next, click on the window that you want to paste the text *into*. You >> need this window to have "focus". Depending on your window manager, >> clicking may not actually be needed. Some WMs use "focus follows >> mouse", which means the mouse pointer simply has to be inside the >> window. Others use "click to focus" which means you have to click. >> >> Once you've focused on the receiving window, press the middle mouse >> button to paste the selection into the second window. >> >> (X11 uses three-button mice. Everything is designed around this.) >> >> If your mouse is too new or too Microsoft-tainted to have three >> buttons, then things get tricky. >> >> If your mouse is literally an old PS/2 style two-button mouse from the >> 1980s, you might be in real trouble. There are hacks to try to mimic >> the middle button in other ways, but you'll have to read documentation >> to learn how to invoke them. >> >> Let's assume that's not the case. >> >> If your mouse has two buttons plus a scroll wheel, you might be able >> to press the scroll wheel to act as the middle button. Doing this >> without also *turning* the scroll wheel takes practice. It can be >> done, at least sometimes. >> >> So, that's how you copy and paste text between windows in X11. You >> select with the left button, and paste with the middle button. >> >> Obviously the world can't be that simple. While X11 was developing >> this interface around three-button mice, Microsoft was building a >> different interface around two-button mice. >> >> In the Microsoft paradigm, you copy by highlighting the text you want >> to copy, and then performing a second step. That step might be >> right-clicking a menu and selecting "Copy". Or it might be pressing >> Ctrl-C (but not in a terminal emulator). Once you've performed this >> copy operation, the text is in a "clipboard", which is separate from >> the "selection". >> >> Pasting text from the clipboard into a new window under the Microsoft >> paradigm is done by pressing Shift-Insert. (Or by right-clicking a >> menu and selecting Paste, or by pressing Ctrl-V in some programs, but >> not in terminal emulators.) >> >> Some programs that you run on Debian may use the Windows paradigm and >> put data into the clipboard instead of the selection. For those >> things, you can try Shift-Insert instead of the middle button. It's >> just another thing you might need to know/use. >> >> Good luck. > > Thank you to everyone
Re: Copy from xterm to text editor........ [solved]
On Wed, 12 Jun 2024 22:56:34 -0400 Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Thu, Jun 13, 2024 at 12:16:00PM +1000, Charlie wrote: > > Cannot recall what version of Debian stopped copying text in xterm > > by Ctrl + C or Shift + Ctrl + C So don't know how to copy from > > xterm > > xterm is a terminal emulator. Pressing Ctrl-C in a terminal emulator > simply passes a byte (0x03) to the application running inside the > terminal, which is usually a shell. But they're interpreted by the > terminal driver layer first. The stty command allows you to see or > change the bindings of control characters by the terminal driver. > > Ctrl-C is usually bound to the 'intr' facility in the terminal driver. > Pressing it in a terminal sends the interrupt signal (SIGINT) to all > running foreground processes. It does not copy text. That's a > Windows thing, and you are not in Windows. > > > Unable to paste from xterm into a text editor using Ctrl + V or > > Shift > > + Ctrl + V > > Pressing Ctrl-V in a terminal emulator sends a byte (0x16) to the > application. At the terminal driver layer, Ctrl-V is usually bound > to the 'lnext' facility (literal next). It's like an escape sequence > for keys. The next key you press *after* Ctrl-V will lose its special > meaning, and will just be passed along verbatim. > > For example, if you press Ctrl-V Ctrl-C, it won't interrupt foreground > processes. Instead, it will simply pass the literal 0x03 byte to the > application. It becomes data. > > hobbit:~$ printf ^C | hd > 03|.| > 0001 > > The ^C there is where I pressed Ctrl-V Ctrl-C. > > Now, all of that is just background information. > > What you wanted to know, I guess, is "how to copy text between > terminals". > > The first step is to highlight the text with the left mouse button. > Drag the mouse over the text while holding the left button. This > creates a "selection" containing the text you've selected. > > Next, click on the window that you want to paste the text *into*. You > need this window to have "focus". Depending on your window manager, > clicking may not actually be needed. Some WMs use "focus follows > mouse", which means the mouse pointer simply has to be inside the > window. Others use "click to focus" which means you have to click. > > Once you've focused on the receiving window, press the middle mouse > button to paste the selection into the second window. > > (X11 uses three-button mice. Everything is designed around this.) > > If your mouse is too new or too Microsoft-tainted to have three > buttons, then things get tricky. > > If your mouse is literally an old PS/2 style two-button mouse from the > 1980s, you might be in real trouble. There are hacks to try to mimic > the middle button in other ways, but you'll have to read documentation > to learn how to invoke them. > > Let's assume that's not the case. > > If your mouse has two buttons plus a scroll wheel, you might be able > to press the scroll wheel to act as the middle button. Doing this > without also *turning* the scroll wheel takes practice. It can be > done, at least sometimes. > > So, that's how you copy and paste text between windows in X11. You > select with the left button, and paste with the middle button. > > Obviously the world can't be that simple. While X11 was developing > this interface around three-button mice, Microsoft was building a > different interface around two-button mice. > > In the Microsoft paradigm, you copy by highlighting the text you want > to copy, and then performing a second step. That step might be > right-clicking a menu and selecting "Copy". Or it might be pressing > Ctrl-C (but not in a terminal emulator). Once you've performed this > copy operation, the text is in a "clipboard", which is separate from > the "selection". > > Pasting text from the clipboard into a new window under the Microsoft > paradigm is done by pressing Shift-Insert. (Or by right-clicking a > menu and selecting Paste, or by pressing Ctrl-V in some programs, but > not in terminal emulators.) > > Some programs that you run on Debian may use the Windows paradigm and > put data into the clipboard instead of the selection. For those > things, you can try Shift-Insert instead of the middle button. It's > just another thing you might need to know/use. > > Good luck. Thank you to everyone who replied, it is much appreciated. Thank you Greg, for your comprehensive explanation and good wishes. I can usually muddle through and discover what I need. Couldn't on this for too long. For completeness. Had tried right and left at same time on touchpad of laptop. As it worked years ago. Didn't think the touchpad had a middle button. Don't know why? This works on a Dell Vostro laptop. Highlight the text in xterm with the left of the touchpad. Cursor in highlighted text, press bottom middle of touchpad. This alters the block
