Ctrl+U in Firefox location bar

2004-10-31 Thread [KS]
Hello all,
I have noticed this behaviour in Firefox recently. When the cursor is in 
the location bar and I press "Ctrl+U" to delete the text, Firefox opens 
the "View Source" window. This is annoying as it changes a basic linux 
shortcut's functionality.

It was working fine till 0.9.3 and the change has only happened in 0.10+ 
versions. Mozilla suite still kills the text in location bar with Ctrl+U 
but Firefox has changed. Is it possible to revert back the behaviour?

Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20041029 
Firefox/1.0RC1 (Debian package 0.99+1.0RC1-1)
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20041007 
Debian/1.7.3-5

Thanks,
/KS
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Re: Ctrl+U in Firefox location bar

2004-10-31 Thread David P James
On Sun 31 October 2004 13:08, [KS] wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I have noticed this behaviour in Firefox recently. When the cursor is
> in the location bar and I press "Ctrl+U" to delete the text, Firefox
> opens the "View Source" window. This is annoying as it changes a
> basic linux shortcut's functionality.

Can't say I've ever understood this particular problem since Ctrl+L does 
essentially the same thing, and without having to select the address 
bar first as well. Or install the Diggler extension. I also dispute 
that this is a "basic linux shortcut" since it is in fact a vi 
shortcut. Mozilla uses a hodgepodge of both vi and emacs shortcuts in 
text areas in Linux.

>
> It was working fine till 0.9.3 and the change has only happened in
> 0.10+ versions. Mozilla suite still kills the text in location bar
> with Ctrl+U but Firefox has changed. Is it possible to revert back
> the behaviour?

See Mozilla bugs 189615 and 260188. This was changed because too many 
bugs were being filed on the old behaviour. I agree they're useful in 
text areas in the page itself, I'm far less convinced they're useful in 
the url and search bars since selecting the bar itself via keyboard 
shortcut selects the contents for overwriting.

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=189615
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=260188

From comment #18 of the latter:
<<
...add the following two lines to your ~/.gtkrc-2.0 file:
include "/usr/share/themes/Emacs/gtk-2.0-key/gtkrc"
gtk-key-theme-name = "Emacs"
>>

You should also be able to change it from the GNOME control centre 
somewhere (beats me where - I can't stand GNOME). What this means is 
that Firefox now respects whatever behaviour you have set GNOME and all 
GNOME apps to use, which in the end makes more sense.

HTH,
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Re: Ctrl+U in Firefox location bar

2004-10-31 Thread Joost Witteveen
[KS] wrote:
Hello all,
I have noticed this behaviour in Firefox recently. When the cursor is in 
the location bar and I press "Ctrl+U" to delete the text, Firefox opens 
the "View Source" window. This is annoying as it changes a basic linux 
shortcut's functionality.
Well, that depends on what you think is `basic linux shortcut 
functionality'. But yes, I'm used to using the emacs-like shortcuts, and 
it annoyed me too.

To fix (in firefox and all/many? other gnome apps), eighter run
gnome-keybinding-properties from the shell and set
`text editing shortcuts' to "Emacs", or do the same in
Applications->DesctopPreferences->KeyboardShortcuts from the Gnome menu.
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Re: Ctrl+U in Firefox location bar

2004-10-31 Thread [KS]
David P James wrote:
On Sun 31 October 2004 13:08, [KS] wrote:
Hello all,
I have noticed this behaviour in Firefox recently. When the cursor is
in the location bar and I press "Ctrl+U" to delete the text, Firefox
opens the "View Source" window. This is annoying as it changes a
basic linux shortcut's functionality.

Can't say I've ever understood this particular problem since Ctrl+L does 
essentially the same thing, and without having to select the address 
bar first as well. Or install the Diggler extension. I also dispute 
that this is a "basic linux shortcut" since it is in fact a vi 
shortcut. Mozilla uses a hodgepodge of both vi and emacs shortcuts in 
text areas in Linux.
I thought it was a basic linux shortcut as I could use it on a terminal 
on various Linux flavours I have tired. Didn't know that it actually 
came from Emacs.


It was working fine till 0.9.3 and the change has only happened in
0.10+ versions. Mozilla suite still kills the text in location bar
with Ctrl+U but Firefox has changed. Is it possible to revert back
the behaviour?
And now with this new version there is another package that I had to 
install, mozilla-firefox-gnome-support. I think why everyone suggested 
changing GNOME preferences.


See Mozilla bugs 189615 and 260188. This was changed because too many 
bugs were being filed on the old behaviour. I agree they're useful in 
text areas in the page itself, I'm far less convinced they're useful in 
the url and search bars since selecting the bar itself via keyboard 
shortcut selects the contents for overwriting.

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=189615
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=260188
From comment #18 of the latter:
<<
...add the following two lines to your ~/.gtkrc-2.0 file:
include "/usr/share/themes/Emacs/gtk-2.0-key/gtkrc"
gtk-key-theme-name = "Emacs"
Tried that. Didn't work!

You should also be able to change it from the GNOME control centre 
somewhere (beats me where - I can't stand GNOME). What this means is 
that Firefox now respects whatever behaviour you have set GNOME and all 
GNOME apps to use, which in the end makes more sense.

HTH,
I got another way to deal with the Ctrl+U thing. from b.m.o #189615 I 
learnt that intead of "selecting url, focusing in location bar, Ctrl+U, 
mouse middle click to paste url", I could just middle click in the body 
of a tab and it will open that url. Neat.

Thanks for all the suggestions,
/KS
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OT: Either not Eighther [Re: Ctrl+U in Firefox location bar]

2004-10-31 Thread William Ballard
On Sun, Oct 31, 2004 at 07:59:50PM +0100, Joost Witteveen wrote:
> To fix (in firefox and all/many? other gnome apps), eighter run

either
pronounced EEE-thER or EYE-thER (soft th)
not ether [the gas that puts you to sleep] pronounced ETHer (hard th)
or eight (ATE)

either is not pronounced as AY-ther, which is a latinate word
aether, which is the fifth element (air, fire, water, earth, aether).


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Re: OT: Either not Eighther [Re: Ctrl+U in Firefox location bar]

2004-10-31 Thread Pigeon
On Sun, Oct 31, 2004 at 02:35:45PM -0500, William Ballard wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 31, 2004 at 07:59:50PM +0100, Joost Witteveen wrote:
> > To fix (in firefox and all/many? other gnome apps), eighter run
> 
> either
> pronounced EEE-thER or EYE-thER (soft th)
> not ether [the gas that puts you to sleep] pronounced ETHer (hard th)

"And no ether, eether."
"EYE-ther."
:-)

> or eight (ATE)
> 
> either is not pronounced as AY-ther, which is a latinate word
> aether, which is the fifth element (air, fire, water, earth, aether).

I thought the fifth element was called Leeloo...

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Re: OT: Either not Eighther [Re: Ctrl+U in Firefox location bar]

2004-10-31 Thread Tim Connors
Pigeon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said on Sun, 31 Oct 2004 23:35:03 +:
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> On Sun, Oct 31, 2004 at 02:35:45PM -0500, William Ballard wrote:
> > On Sun, Oct 31, 2004 at 07:59:50PM +0100, Joost Witteveen wrote:
> > > To fix (in firefox and all/many? other gnome apps), eighter run
> >=20
> > either
> > pronounced EEE-thER or EYE-thER (soft th)
> > not ether [the gas that puts you to sleep] pronounced ETHer (hard th)
> 
> "And no ether, eether."

Nor aether, or even æther. Sigh.

Maybe ethanol. Yeah, that's the ticket.


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