Re: Current user friendly documentation of Debian repository structure and use???

[Richard Owlett]

On 10/8/2012 11:42 AM, Curt wrote:

On 2012-10-05, Richard Owlett  wrote:

To summarize:

I effectively _HAVE_ the contents of a relevant repository
on 8 physically discrete DVDs.
I *REQUIRE* that content to reside on a single partition of
a single disk in a form acceptable to apt-get.
For reasons I'll not go into, any solution requiring
networking of any form is irrelevant.



The thread below looks edifying for a simple solution to your
difficulties, if I'm understanding them correctly (it consists of
copying the dvds to disc as "iso" files and using apt-cdrom to create
sources accessible by apt-get).

http://oldsite.debianhelp.org/node/10486

HTH


Appears that link no longer exists
However it is availabl on "Wayback Machin"

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://oldsite.debianhelp.org/node/10486

Re: Current user friendly documentation of Debian repository structure and use???

[Richard Owlett]

Curt wrote:

On 2012-10-05, Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net wrote:

To summarize:

I effectively _HAVE_ the contents of a relevant repository
on 8 physically discrete DVDs.
I *REQUIRE* that content to reside on a single partition of
a single disk in a form acceptable to apt-get.
For reasons I'll not go into, any solution requiring
networking of any form is irrelevant.



The thread below looks edifying for a simple solution to your
difficulties, if I'm understanding them correctly (it consists of
copying the dvds to disc as iso files and using apt-cdrom to create
sources accessible by apt-get).

http://oldsite.debianhelp.org/node/10486

HTH




Thanks. I'm not sure if that ends up at quite the same point 
I'm aiming at. I'm a newbie whose methodology ,_at the 
moment_, is driven more by  desire to understand Linux than 
to than using it.


I was comparing the version of Debian Repository HOWTO  
at http://www.isotton.com/debian/docs/repository-howto/ with 
the older version which is on debian.org. Initial readings 
seemed the same. I didn't understand why one was labeled 
obsolete. So I started doing a sentence by sentence 
comparison. That slowed me down enough to start 
understanding what I was reading ;/  That and having the CD 
in the drive and looking at the files as I was reading about 
them.









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Re: Current user friendly documentation of Debian repository structure and use???

[Curt]

On 2012-10-05, Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net wrote:
 To summarize:

 I effectively _HAVE_ the contents of a relevant repository 
 on 8 physically discrete DVDs.
 I *REQUIRE* that content to reside on a single partition of 
 a single disk in a form acceptable to apt-get.
 For reasons I'll not go into, any solution requiring 
 networking of any form is irrelevant.


The thread below looks edifying for a simple solution to your
difficulties, if I'm understanding them correctly (it consists of
copying the dvds to disc as iso files and using apt-cdrom to create
sources accessible by apt-get).

http://oldsite.debianhelp.org/node/10486

HTH




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Re: Current user friendly documentation of Debian repository structure and use???

[songbird]

Richard Owlett wrote:
 songbird wrote:
...
if anything just try to copy the first dvd and
 see what happens and what error messages come
 out of apt-get or synaptic and go from there.

ls /dvd01 if you have the first dvd mounted
 to /dvd01 should give you the top directories
 and then you can look further down in from
 there to see how it looks.


 i've suspected as much  *LOL* ;/

  :)

  it may not be the right way in terms of
disk inode use but it worked.  nowadays
it might be better to do a straight image
copy and then to mount them, but it would
take someone else to give you those magic
words.


 For the record
- I'm contemporary of parents of Linus Torvalds

  i'm no spring chicken either...  50 is soon.
eek.  time flies.


- I've been tempted to ask
   if Debian (any version) is more powerful/versatile 
 than CPM-80
   Which has more obtuse documentation, CPM-80 or Debian

  the package debian-handbook is very helpful.  also,
debian-reference-en, debian-faq and installation-guide-*...

  reading the lists linux.debian.devel, 
linux.debian.devel.release and linux.debian.project 
can be helpful at times.  i try to read 
linux.debian.maint.boot too and of course this fine 
group.


 I've set Reply To to debian-user@lists.debian.org
 For those wising to discuss issues personally, my From: 
 address is valid, if well filtered ;)

  i have very little trouble with spam coming from
usenet posts.  ignoring it and deleting it unread.
i never use an unsubscribe link as it tells them 
they hit a live one.


  songbird


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Re: Current user friendly documentation of Debian repository structure and use???

[Richard Owlett]

Rob Owens wrote:

On Wed, Oct 03, 2012 at 01:22:21PM +, Russell L. Harris wrote:

* Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net [121003 12:42]:

My end goal is to search out a script that will place the contents
of the 8 DVD set of Debian 6.0.5 on a hard drive in such a way that
the hard disk can be accessed by apt-get.


Have you looked at approx?  Surely approx-import can import images
mounted with the loop mount option?


apt-cacher-ng will do it as well.

-Rob



I went to  [ 
http://manpages.debian.net/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query= ] and 
looked up approx and apt-cacher, following some of the links 
given on those pages.


I see no way to *COERCE* either to accomplish my goal. Both 
presume topology, constraint(s) and goal(s)  which differ 
from mine.


Their underlying presumptions include:
1. a repository at the far end of a bandwidth limited 
channel
2. unspecified number of of local machines - physical 
or virtual
A. these machines are connected by LAN - physical 
or virtual

B. all machines have majority of loaded software common

My real world actual situation  is:
   1. any standard repository is at end of ~0 bandwidth 
channel -- a 56k analog modem. There be reason I bought 8 
DVD set ;)

   2. I have 3 computers with differing hardware:
   A. two laptops with WiFi (functional) and an 
Ethernet port (functionality???)
   B. one desktop without WiFi {possibly has Ethernet 
port, it's not physically available at moment to check}.

   C. all have USB ports
   D. I have USB connected hard drives with capacity to 
store the contents of the DVDs. Thus I will implement a 
sneaker net.



To summarize:

I effectively _HAVE_ the contents of a relevant repository 
on 8 physically discrete DVDs.
I *REQUIRE* that content to reside on a single partition of 
a single disk in a form acceptable to apt-get.
For reasons I'll not go into, any solution requiring 
networking of any form is irrelevant.


Restating my original subject line -- Can someone direct me 
to CURRENT ( i.e. valid for  Squeeze) user friendly 
detailed documentation of Debian repository structure?.


I searched debian.org for the keyword repository and 
received ONE relevant hit ( of 33 hits).
http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html 
is:

   user friendly
   NOT current - it labels itself explicitly as obsolete.
   NOT detailed enough on its own. [ If it were not 
obsolete to an unspecified degree it _might_ contain enough 
hints to required details.]




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Re: Current user friendly documentation of Debian repository structure and use???

[songbird]

Richard Owlett wrote:
...

  ages ago i used a straight copy from the
DVDs for lenny to set up what sounds like
what you want to do.  get a copy of the
DVDs onto a faster hard drive.

  wish i had perfect memory, but i think
i just used a simple recursive copy
cp -ra [src] [target]

  if you have USB 3 this should be faster
than what i went through.

  i'm not sure if i had to link some
files/directories after that copy to get 
apt-get and synaptic to be happy, but it 
did work and i used those copies until 
squeeze hit testing.

  i had entries in /etc/apt/sources.list that 
looked like:

deb file:/mb/debian/lenny/cdrom01/ lenny contrib main
deb file:/mb/debian/lenny/cdrom02/ lenny contrib main
deb file:/mb/debian/lenny/cdrom03/ lenny contrib main
deb file:/mb/debian/lenny/cdrom04/ lenny contrib main
deb file:/mb/debian/lenny/cdrom05/ lenny contrib main

  i haven't had to do anything like this since
then so i'm not sure if it would work for
squeeze/wheezy.

  you may need an entry in /etc/apt/apt.conf that
looks like:

APT::Get::AllowUnauthenticated true;

to avoid having to set up authentication stuff...  
[don't run normally with this option set]

  if anything just try to copy the first dvd and
see what happens and what error messages come
out of apt-get or synaptic and go from there.

  ls /dvd01 if you have the first dvd mounted
to /dvd01 should give you the top directories
and then you can look further down in from
there to see how it looks.


  songbird


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Re: Current user friendly documentation of Debian repository structure and use???

[Richard Owlett]

songbird wrote:

Richard Owlett wrote:
...

   ages ago i used a straight copy from the
DVDs for lenny to set up what sounds like
what you want to do.  get a copy of the
DVDs onto a faster hard drive.

   wish i had perfect memory, but i think
i just used a simple recursive copy
cp -ra [src] [target]

   if you have USB 3 this should be faster
than what i went through.

   i'm not sure if i had to link some
files/directories after that copy to get
apt-get and synaptic to be happy, but it
did work and i used those copies until
squeeze hit testing.

   i had entries in /etc/apt/sources.list that
looked like:

deb file:/mb/debian/lenny/cdrom01/ lenny contrib main
deb file:/mb/debian/lenny/cdrom02/ lenny contrib main
deb file:/mb/debian/lenny/cdrom03/ lenny contrib main
deb file:/mb/debian/lenny/cdrom04/ lenny contrib main
deb file:/mb/debian/lenny/cdrom05/ lenny contrib main

   i haven't had to do anything like this since
then so i'm not sure if it would work for
squeeze/wheezy.

   you may need an entry in /etc/apt/apt.conf that
looks like:

APT::Get::AllowUnauthenticated true;

to avoid having to set up authentication stuff...
[don't run normally with this option set]

   if anything just try to copy the first dvd and
see what happens and what error messages come
out of apt-get or synaptic and go from there.

   ls /dvd01 if you have the first dvd mounted
to /dvd01 should give you the top directories
and then you can look further down in from
there to see how it looks.


   songbird





i've suspected as much  *LOL* ;/
For the record
  - I'm contemporary of parents of Linus Torvalds
  - I've been tempted to ask
 if Debian (any version) is more powerful/versatile 
than CPM-80

 Which has more obtuse documentation, CPM-80 or Debian

I've set Reply To to debian-user@lists.debian.org
For those wising to discuss issues personally, my From: 
address is valid, if well filtered ;)




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Current user friendly documentation of Debian repository structure and use???

[Richard Owlett]

I went to http://www.debian.org/ and entered repository in 
the search box.
333 hits. The first was the only relevant hit. _*BUT*_ the 
page title declared as being *OBSOLETE* :


Link to search as performed:
http://search.debian.org/cgi-bin/omega?DB=enP=repository

The first hit:
http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html

My end goal is to search out a script that will place the 
contents of the 8 DVD set of Debian 6.0.5 on a hard drive in 
such a way that the hard disk can be accessed by apt-get.




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Re: Current user friendly documentation of Debian repository structure and use???

[Russell L. Harris]

* Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net [121003 12:42]:
 My end goal is to search out a script that will place the contents
 of the 8 DVD set of Debian 6.0.5 on a hard drive in such a way that
 the hard disk can be accessed by apt-get.

Have you looked at approx?  Surely approx-import can import images
mounted with the loop mount option?

RLH


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Re: Current user friendly documentation of Debian repository structure and use???

[Rob Owens]

On Wed, Oct 03, 2012 at 01:22:21PM +, Russell L. Harris wrote:
 * Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net [121003 12:42]:
  My end goal is to search out a script that will place the contents
  of the 8 DVD set of Debian 6.0.5 on a hard drive in such a way that
  the hard disk can be accessed by apt-get.
 
 Have you looked at approx?  Surely approx-import can import images
 mounted with the loop mount option?
 
apt-cacher-ng will do it as well.

-Rob


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