Re: DebToo: Debian, Gentoo-style
El Tue, 26 Aug 2003 22:21:36 -0500 Rthoreau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: > If someone can show a nice chart showing the speed increase compared > to stability of Gentoo vs Debian, I would be more than happy to put > Gentoo on a box. gentoo itself doesn't search to get super-optimized binaries, but being able to configure "dinamically" the dependences between packages. I don't like the USE flag myself a lot. But what other people think about it? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: DebToo: Debian, Gentoo-style
On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, Chris de Vidal wrote: > Volunteers needed! > http://debtoo.org > What you can do is add some sort of benchmarking of important packages (xfree, gnome, kde, etc.) so you or your users can get the best compilation flags for each processor/system. That way each package compilation uses not only the correct -march, but also detects the processor type (or cache size) and set the best flags according to the results of that bechmarks. For example, in a small cache celeron compiling some package optimized for size (-Os) could be much better than "-O3 -funroll-loops" (it's just a guess). Even that information can be used back in debian if there are packages that always win with certain non subarquitecure-dependent flag. Xavier -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: DebToo: Debian, Gentoo-style
On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 22:21:36 -0500 Rthoreau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 11:47:50 -0700 (PDT), > Chris de Vidal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > << [EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > >> Volunteers needed! > >> http://debtoo.org > > > Arnt Karlsen<[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote > > .."* This website sucks." Toss it in http://validator.w3.org/ ;-) > > Thats a great site Arnt I especially like how it tells you what line > is wrong. I added it too my quick links, I will keep it handy for > emailing web masters. > > I just have one question for all you folks who like to compile every > single package, what are the benefits? It seems like this site and > review had Debian on top, Debian was only compiled with I386. > Please excuse the long url: > http://articles.linmagau.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=227&page=1 > Be that as it might be - obviously those guys didn't even know that gentoo applies a patch to xfree with a newer driver for sis from http://www.winischhofer.net when it gets installed - that is the reason it is working. I don't think I'll put to much emphasis on benchmarks from guys that don't even know why their boxes work. Klaus -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: DebToo: Debian, Gentoo-style
On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 11:47:50 -0700 (PDT), Chris de Vidal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message << [EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> Volunteers needed! >> http://debtoo.org > Arnt Karlsen<[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote > .."* This website sucks." Toss it in http://validator.w3.org/ ;-) Thats a great site Arnt I especially like how it tells you what line is wrong. I added it too my quick links, I will keep it handy for emailing web masters. I just have one question for all you folks who like to compile every single package, what are the benefits? It seems like this site and review had Debian on top, Debian was only compiled with I386. Please excuse the long url: http://articles.linmagau.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=227&page=1 Also Isn't Gentoo starting to introduce binaries of packages to ease installation? I wonder how the package manager keeps up with the added stress of keeping track of source as well as binary applications? What happens if you have the same package from source and binary? It makes me think that they are adding more complexity to the system, I wonder how that effects stability? Seems like people like the idea of compiling their own packages more than the benefit it will create. I would like to see more reviews of source distro's vs binary distro's. I would also like to see a comparison between major packages, such as KDE, Gnome 2, XFree86, compiled from source vs binary. I also know that it might be pointless because someone could compile with all the speed flags while the binary they choose might be compiled for stability, and a wider user base. Such as was in the test mentioned above. I also would like to know how source distro's handle security updates? Do you have to recompile your application with the new security patches? Seems Admins wouldn't like this idea, especially if linux becomes more mainstream, more kiddie scripters take up attacking linux systems. Wasn't it mentioned that it would be almost impossible to have a complete source release of Debian? Seems like it would be a lot of work, might as well just stick to Gentoo since they have the source release pretty much covered. If someone can show a nice chart showing the speed increase compared to stability of Gentoo vs Debian, I would be more than happy to put Gentoo on a box. But I won't hold my breath! Rthoreau -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: DebToo: Debian, Gentoo-style
El Tue, 26 Aug 2003 13:14:41 -0700 (PDT) Chris de Vidal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: > Volunteers needed! > http://debtoo.org are you going to implement a USE flag equivalent? (note: I don't like USE a lot) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: DebToo: Debian, Gentoo-style
On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 11:47:50 -0700 (PDT), Chris de Vidal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Volunteers needed! > http://debtoo.org .."* This website sucks." Toss it in http://validator.w3.org/ ;-) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;-) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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