RE: Debian, Slackware, RedHat and OSS (fwd)
On 08-Jun-99 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I finally tried RedHat a couple of years later I was disgusted because it wanted me to do configuration using their 'tools' vs. just editing /etc/* --- I found that I could tweak it a lot less before the whole thing broke and I finally reinstalled Slack. This is one thing I disliked about Caldera OpenLinux; I had to use their 'tools' to change simple things like a hostname. -- Andrew
Re: Debian, Slackware, RedHat and OSS (fwd)
On Tue, Jun 08, 1999 at 10:07:59PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems that RedHat might be able to support sound w/out recompiling if they included a OSS license in their packaged distro. Which wouldn't supprise me... considering the ammount of deals they're cutting, OSS would be pretty basic. Linux 2.2 has modular sound like Red Hat has had for a while. If we had a sound configuration utility, we wouldn't need to recompile either. ALSA (the OSS-replacement) has a nice configuration utility and has been modular since day one (even more so that OSS is now). The thing I dislike most about OSS is the licensing. Sure, it's GPL, but we get features from the commercial version whenever 4FrontTech feels like it. OSS/Commercial has been modular for ages; somebody else (Alan Cox) had to modularise the free one for it to be in OSS/Lite. Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt VK3SB (ex-VK3TYD). CCs of replies from mailing lists are welcome.
Re: Debian, Slackware, RedHat and OSS (fwd)
err, Could someone tell me what OSS means? And ALSA ... So, are you saying that we just bring in sndconfig from Red Hat, run it, and that's it, we have sound? Regards, On Wed, 09 Jun 1999, Hamish Moffatt wrote: On Tue, Jun 08, 1999 at 10:07:59PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems that RedHat might be able to support sound w/out recompiling if they included a OSS license in their packaged distro. Which wouldn't supprise me... considering the ammount of deals they're cutting, OSS would be pretty basic. Linux 2.2 has modular sound like Red Hat has had for a while. If we had a sound configuration utility, we wouldn't need to recompile either. ALSA (the OSS-replacement) has a nice configuration utility and has been modular since day one (even more so that OSS is now). The thing I dislike most about OSS is the licensing. Sure, it's GPL, but we get features from the commercial version whenever 4FrontTech feels like it. OSS/Commercial has been modular for ages; somebody else (Alan Cox) had to modularise the free one for it to be in OSS/Lite. Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt VK3SB (ex-VK3TYD). CCs of replies from mailing lists are welcome. -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Debian, Slackware, RedHat and OSS (fwd)
On 09-Jun-99 Barry Kauler wrote: err, Could someone tell me what OSS means? Open Source Sound -- Andrew
Re: Debian, Slackware, RedHat and OSS (fwd)
On Tue, Jun 08, 1999 at 10:37:51PM -, Pollywog wrote: On 08-Jun-99 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I finally tried RedHat a couple of years later I was disgusted because it wanted me to do configuration using their 'tools' vs. just editing /etc/* --- I found that I could tweak it a lot less before the whole thing broke and I finally reinstalled Slack. This is one thing I disliked about Caldera OpenLinux; I had to use their 'tools' to change simple things like a hostname. I sorta doubt that. Underneath it's all linux. You never _have_ to use their tools. It's just a matter of finding where the distribution in question puts the configuration files and then vi is your friend. My experience with other distributions is limited in recent years, but a few days ago my boss brought me a laptop with the latest and greatest Caldera installed (via lizard, cute) but no PCMCIA. Well I chased through the wonderful GUI admin tool for half an hour trying to do it their way. Eventually I used find against the CD and rpm -i to get the necessary packages installed. To their credit the PCMCIA packages matched the installed kernel so it was fairly trivial. Then I had to use find and grep to locate the PCMCIA network configuration to fix that up. Sounds like a lot of trouble for a distribution designed for the naive user, and it is, but no more mucking about than one does with any unfamiliar distribution. And it makes my point that, underneath all the glitz, it really is just linux. Cheers, Pann -- What's All the Buzz About Linux?L I N U X .~. The Choice /V\ http://www.ourmanpann.com/linux/ of a GNU /( )\ Generation ^^-^^
Re: Debian, Slackware, RedHat and OSS (fwd)
On Wed, 9 Jun 1999, Pollywog wrote: On 09-Jun-99 Barry Kauler wrote: err, Could someone tell me what OSS means? Open Source Sound Actually, Open Sound System, see http://www.opensound.com/oss.html;. Sincerely, Ray Ingles(248) 377-7735 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Economies don't like step functions. - Dr. Leonard Bieman
Re: Debian, Slackware, RedHat and OSS (fwd)
On 09-Jun-99 Raymond A. Ingles wrote: On Wed, 9 Jun 1999, Pollywog wrote: On 09-Jun-99 Barry Kauler wrote: err, Could someone tell me what OSS means? Open Source Sound oops. Thanks for the correction. -- Andrew Actually, Open Sound System, see http://www.opensound.com/oss.html;. Sincerely, Ray Ingles(248) 377-7735 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Economies don't like step functions. - Dr. Leonard Bieman
Debian, Slackware, RedHat and OSS (fwd)
I moved to Debian from slackware... and have been very satisfied with it to date... I've done all installs via apt over the network, without cd's, and from ya'll discriptions this appears to be more straightforward than actually using a cd. My first linux install was about 4 years ago... I was in high school, and on a free weekend went to the local university library with a box of 30 floppy disks and downloaded and raw-wrote Slackwware one floppy at a time. Slackware was _very_ focused on the user following RTFM, since specific documentation and how-to's were non-existant outside of the install. When I finally tried RedHat a couple of years later I was disgusted because it wanted me to do configuration using their 'tools' vs. just editing /etc/* --- I found that I could tweak it a lot less before the whole thing broke and I finally reinstalled Slack. It seems that RedHat might be able to support sound w/out recompiling if they included a OSS license in their packaged distro. Which wouldn't supprise me... considering the ammount of deals they're cutting, OSS would be pretty basic. Anyway, since I'm at school and have the network, apt is perfect. I also like the Debian-way of having _lots_ of documentation for packages, and making sure that all the stuff that belongs in /etc... is actually there. --George
