Re: Debian 11 upgrade to Debian 12
On Fri 03 Mar 2023 at 10:57:43 (-0500), Timothy M Butterworth wrote: > On Thu, Mar 2, 2023 at 10:57 PM songbird wrote: > > Timothy M Butterworth wrote: > > > > > > I just updated my media center PC from Debian Bullseye to Debian Bookworm. > > > The upgrade went alright. I initially had to download almost 2GB of 1640 > > > packages. Around 600 failed to upgrade and I had to manually install them > > > in small chunks to fix the dependencies. Other than that the upgrade went > > > relatively smoothly and I am liking the new color scheme and wallpapers. > > > > > > Anyone else have any good or bad experiences upgrading to bookworm. > > > > considering it's not released yet and has 331 RC bugs still to > > be dealt with (or ignored) that's a bit of a jumping the start > > line signal. > > > > helping to find bugs is good though too. :) > > I have been running Bullseye on my notebook for almost a year with very few > problems. My sound hardware and my WiFi does not work on debian 11. My > notebook is my primary work machine and it has been working well. I look at > testing as a rolling release. My media center Mini PC is all Intel and > everything on it just works. I wanted to try out KDE Big Screen which is > not available in Debian 11 so I had to upgrade to Debian 12. Big Screen > works ok on Wayland. I think I am missing some application packages though. > The Sound and WiFi buttons just launch a blue screen that never actually > loads. The shutdown button works fine. All in all I like it. I started > removing unneeded software to make it more streamlined. All I really need > is Dolphin, VLC and Elisa. Watch videos and listen to music. I just tried upgrading 11→12 on a laptop of mine. The only "snag", which was no surprise, was being left with a grub.cfg that only boots the one, upgraded system. That was quickly rectified by grub-mkconfig after uncommenting GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=false in /etc/default/grub. (Thanks for putting that commented line into the file.) Under bullseye, there were 2015 packages, including libreoffice and texlive. I run fvwm (now called fvwm2, apparently) with no DE/DM. It was "pure" Debian except that xtoolwait (from squeeze) was and still is installed. Running buster, I copied my bullseye root filesystem to a spare partition, and adjusted the LABELs in the new copy's fstab. I booted it up and edited the sources list to bookworm, including adding the new non-free-firmware. I ran apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, apt-get --purge autoremove, apt-get dist-upgrade and apt-get --purge autoremove again, answering no to keep my configuration files, yes to ignore any bug reports, and yes to restarting services (including any that might have disconnected a remote session). It was running on wifi, but I was at the console. Statistics for the four steps: 627 upgraded and 972 not upgraded; 75 to remove and 968 not upgraded; 967 upgraded, 245 newly installed and 13 to remove; and 79 to remove. Every thing completed smoothly, with no dependency problems at all. I haven't used it in anger as I don't want to disturb my dotfiles etc, but I checked that sound played perfectly with timidity. Obviously I've got a number of changes to read up on, with some new packages to look over. Cheers, David.
Re: Debian 11 upgrade to Debian 12
On Thu, Mar 2, 2023 at 10:57 PM songbird wrote: > Timothy M Butterworth wrote: > > All, > > > > I just updated my media center PC from Debian Bullseye to Debian > Bookworm. > > The upgrade went alright. I initially had to download almost 2GB of 1640 > > packages. Around 600 failed to upgrade and I had to manually install them > > in small chunks to fix the dependencies. Other than that the upgrade went > > relatively smoothly and I am liking the new color scheme and wallpapers. > > > > Anyone else have any good or bad experiences upgrading to bookworm. > > considering it's not released yet and has 331 RC bugs still to > be dealt with (or ignored) that's a bit of a jumping the start > line signal. > > helping to find bugs is good though too. :) > I have been running Bullseye on my notebook for almost a year with very few problems. My sound hardware and my WiFi does not work on debian 11. My notebook is my primary work machine and it has been working well. I look at testing as a rolling release. My media center Mini PC is all Intel and everything on it just works. I wanted to try out KDE Big Screen which is not available in Debian 11 so I had to upgrade to Debian 12. Big Screen works ok on Wayland. I think I am missing some application packages though. The Sound and WiFi buttons just launch a blue screen that never actually loads. The shutdown button works fine. All in all I like it. I started removing unneeded software to make it more streamlined. All I really need is Dolphin, VLC and Elisa. Watch videos and listen to music. > > songbird > > -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org/ ⠈⠳⣄⠀⠀
Re: Debian 11 upgrade to Debian 12
Mar 3, 2023, 03:57 by songb...@anthive.com: > considering it's not released yet and has 331 RC bugs still to > be dealt with (or ignored) that's a bit of a jumping the start > line signal. > > helping to find bugs is good though too. :) > It's a pretty decent release nevertheless. Am running Debian 12 Bookworm and it works very well for me despite some minor issues, mostly with KDE. Regards,
Re: Debian 11 upgrade to Debian 12
Worked good on my Raspberry Pi 3 with Unstable today too :) On 3/2/23, songbird wrote: > Timothy M Butterworth wrote: >> All, >> >> I just updated my media center PC from Debian Bullseye to Debian >> Bookworm. >> The upgrade went alright. I initially had to download almost 2GB of 1640 >> packages. Around 600 failed to upgrade and I had to manually install them >> in small chunks to fix the dependencies. Other than that the upgrade went >> relatively smoothly and I am liking the new color scheme and wallpapers. >> >> Anyone else have any good or bad experiences upgrading to bookworm. > > considering it's not released yet and has 331 RC bugs still to > be dealt with (or ignored) that's a bit of a jumping the start > line signal. > > helping to find bugs is good though too. :) > > > songbird > >
Re: Debian 11 upgrade to Debian 12
Timothy M Butterworth wrote: > All, > > I just updated my media center PC from Debian Bullseye to Debian Bookworm. > The upgrade went alright. I initially had to download almost 2GB of 1640 > packages. Around 600 failed to upgrade and I had to manually install them > in small chunks to fix the dependencies. Other than that the upgrade went > relatively smoothly and I am liking the new color scheme and wallpapers. > > Anyone else have any good or bad experiences upgrading to bookworm. considering it's not released yet and has 331 RC bugs still to be dealt with (or ignored) that's a bit of a jumping the start line signal. helping to find bugs is good though too. :) songbird
Re: Debian 11 upgrade to Debian 12
On 28/02/2023 09:03, Timothy M Butterworth wrote: All, I just updated my media center PC from Debian Bullseye to Debian Bookworm. The upgrade went alright. I initially had to download almost 2GB of 1640 packages. Around 600 failed to upgrade and I had to manually install them in small chunks to fix the dependencies. Other than that the upgrade went relatively smoothly and I am liking the new color scheme and wallpapers. Anyone else have any good or bad experiences upgrading to bookworm. I could not wait and actually upgraded last year :D Everything went fine, I was on typical Testing flow of packages, and bugs were present (especially in KDE and Radeon graphics). Now all packages are frozen, all bugs I was experiencing are fixed, awaiting final bug fixing and eventually official release. 殺 -- With kindest regards, Piotr. ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org/ ⠈⠳⣄
Re: Debian 11 upgrade to Debian 12
On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 10:20:20PM +, Keith Bainbridge wrote: > +1 > -- > > > All the best > > Keith Bainbridge > > keith.bainbridge.3...@gmail.com > 0447 667 468 > > Sent from my Android tablet, Please excuse my brevity.. Still enough time to advertise products, still. Cheers - t signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Debian 11 upgrade to Debian 12
+1 -- All the best Keith Bainbridge keith.bainbridge.3...@gmail.com 0447 667 468 Sent from my Android tablet, Please excuse my brevity.. On 28 February 2023 20:21:40 UTC, Tixy wrote: >On Tue, 2023-02-28 at 14:52 -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote: >> On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 06:32:27PM +, Tixy wrote: >> > On Tue, 2023-02-28 at 13:16 -0500, Timothy M Butterworth wrote: >> > [...] >> > > All I did was modify /etc/apt/sources.list from Bullseye to Bookworm, >> > > then >> > > I ran apt update and apt upgrade. I guess I could have run apt >> > > full-upgrade >> > > and that probably would have worked better. >> > >> > It would have. If you looked at the release notes [1] it suggests >> > >> > # apt upgrade --without-new-pkgs >> > # apt full-upgrade >> > >> > Then lists some possible issues and there remedy. >> > >> > [1] >> > https://www.debian.org/releases/testing/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#minimal-upgrade >> >> It's also worth mentioning that in bookworm, non-free firmware has been >> moved to a new section called "non-free-firmware". If you use any of >> that -- most people do! -- then you either need to change "non-free" to >> "non-free-firmware" or to "non-free non-free-firmware", depending on >> your specific needs. >> > >That's is the release notes too :-) (I know, there's probably only a >small minority of us who actually read the docs before upgrading.) > >-- >Tixy >
Re: Debian 11 upgrade to Debian 12
On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 4:03 PM Brian wrote: > > On Tue 28 Feb 2023 at 15:35:43 -0500, Jeffrey Walton wrote: > > > On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 2:53 PM Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 06:32:27PM +, Tixy wrote: > > > > On Tue, 2023-02-28 at 13:16 -0500, Timothy M Butterworth wrote: > > > > [...] > > > > > All I did was modify /etc/apt/sources.list from Bullseye to Bookworm, > > > > > then > > > > > I ran apt update and apt upgrade. I guess I could have run apt > > > > > full-upgrade > > > > > and that probably would have worked better. > > > > > > > > It would have. If you looked at the release notes [1] it suggests > > > > > > > > # apt upgrade --without-new-pkgs > > > > # apt full-upgrade > > > > > > > > Then lists some possible issues and there remedy. > > > > > > > > [1] > > > > https://www.debian.org/releases/testing/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#minimal-upgrade > > > > > > It's also worth mentioning that in bookworm, non-free firmware has been > > > moved to a new section called "non-free-firmware". If you use any of > > > that -- most people do! -- then you either need to change "non-free" to > > > "non-free-firmware" or to "non-free non-free-firmware", depending on > > > your specific needs. > > > > That's a good point. That should be stated in the wiki page at > > https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUpgrade . > > Well! Get on with it. It's a wiki. Already done: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUpgrade Someone should QA the change. Jeff
Re: Debian 11 upgrade to Debian 12
On Tue 28 Feb 2023 at 15:35:43 -0500, Jeffrey Walton wrote: > On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 2:53 PM Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > > On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 06:32:27PM +, Tixy wrote: > > > On Tue, 2023-02-28 at 13:16 -0500, Timothy M Butterworth wrote: > > > [...] > > > > All I did was modify /etc/apt/sources.list from Bullseye to Bookworm, > > > > then > > > > I ran apt update and apt upgrade. I guess I could have run apt > > > > full-upgrade > > > > and that probably would have worked better. > > > > > > It would have. If you looked at the release notes [1] it suggests > > > > > > # apt upgrade --without-new-pkgs > > > # apt full-upgrade > > > > > > Then lists some possible issues and there remedy. > > > > > > [1] > > > https://www.debian.org/releases/testing/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#minimal-upgrade > > > > It's also worth mentioning that in bookworm, non-free firmware has been > > moved to a new section called "non-free-firmware". If you use any of > > that -- most people do! -- then you either need to change "non-free" to > > "non-free-firmware" or to "non-free non-free-firmware", depending on > > your specific needs. > > That's a good point. That should be stated in the wiki page at > https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUpgrade . Well! Get on with it. It's a wiki. -- Brian.
Re: Debian 11 upgrade to Debian 12
On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 2:53 PM Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 06:32:27PM +, Tixy wrote: > > On Tue, 2023-02-28 at 13:16 -0500, Timothy M Butterworth wrote: > > [...] > > > All I did was modify /etc/apt/sources.list from Bullseye to Bookworm, then > > > I ran apt update and apt upgrade. I guess I could have run apt > > > full-upgrade > > > and that probably would have worked better. > > > > It would have. If you looked at the release notes [1] it suggests > > > > # apt upgrade --without-new-pkgs > > # apt full-upgrade > > > > Then lists some possible issues and there remedy. > > > > [1] > > https://www.debian.org/releases/testing/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#minimal-upgrade > > It's also worth mentioning that in bookworm, non-free firmware has been > moved to a new section called "non-free-firmware". If you use any of > that -- most people do! -- then you either need to change "non-free" to > "non-free-firmware" or to "non-free non-free-firmware", depending on > your specific needs. That's a good point. That should be stated in the wiki page at https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUpgrade . Would saying "Bookworm and later releases ... " be an accurate statement? Jeff
Re: Debian 11 upgrade to Debian 12
On Tue, 2023-02-28 at 14:52 -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 06:32:27PM +, Tixy wrote: > > On Tue, 2023-02-28 at 13:16 -0500, Timothy M Butterworth wrote: > > [...] > > > All I did was modify /etc/apt/sources.list from Bullseye to Bookworm, then > > > I ran apt update and apt upgrade. I guess I could have run apt > > > full-upgrade > > > and that probably would have worked better. > > > > It would have. If you looked at the release notes [1] it suggests > > > > # apt upgrade --without-new-pkgs > > # apt full-upgrade > > > > Then lists some possible issues and there remedy. > > > > [1] > > https://www.debian.org/releases/testing/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#minimal-upgrade > > It's also worth mentioning that in bookworm, non-free firmware has been > moved to a new section called "non-free-firmware". If you use any of > that -- most people do! -- then you either need to change "non-free" to > "non-free-firmware" or to "non-free non-free-firmware", depending on > your specific needs. > That's is the release notes too :-) (I know, there's probably only a small minority of us who actually read the docs before upgrading.) -- Tixy
Re: Debian 11 upgrade to Debian 12
On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 06:32:27PM +, Tixy wrote: > On Tue, 2023-02-28 at 13:16 -0500, Timothy M Butterworth wrote: > [...] > > All I did was modify /etc/apt/sources.list from Bullseye to Bookworm, then > > I ran apt update and apt upgrade. I guess I could have run apt full-upgrade > > and that probably would have worked better. > > It would have. If you looked at the release notes [1] it suggests > > # apt upgrade --without-new-pkgs > # apt full-upgrade > > Then lists some possible issues and there remedy. > > [1] > https://www.debian.org/releases/testing/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#minimal-upgrade It's also worth mentioning that in bookworm, non-free firmware has been moved to a new section called "non-free-firmware". If you use any of that -- most people do! -- then you either need to change "non-free" to "non-free-firmware" or to "non-free non-free-firmware", depending on your specific needs.
Re: Debian 11 upgrade to Debian 12
On Tue, 2023-02-28 at 13:16 -0500, Timothy M Butterworth wrote: [...] > All I did was modify /etc/apt/sources.list from Bullseye to Bookworm, then > I ran apt update and apt upgrade. I guess I could have run apt full-upgrade > and that probably would have worked better. It would have. If you looked at the release notes [1] it suggests # apt upgrade --without-new-pkgs # apt full-upgrade Then lists some possible issues and there remedy. [1] https://www.debian.org/releases/testing/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#minimal-upgrade -- Tixy
Re: Debian 11 upgrade to Debian 12
On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 1:17 PM Timothy M Butterworth wrote: > [...] > All I did was modify /etc/apt/sources.list from Bullseye to Bookworm, then I > ran apt update and apt upgrade. I guess I could have run apt full-upgrade and > that probably would have worked better. Yeah, you were supposed to run full-upgrade before changing sources.list. https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUpgrade Jeff
Re: Debian 11 upgrade to Debian 12
On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 7:24 AM local10 wrote: > Feb 28, 2023, 09:04 by timothy.m.butterwo...@gmail.com: > > > I just updated my media center PC from Debian Bullseye to Debian > Bookworm. The upgrade went alright. I initially had to download almost 2GB > of 1640 packages. Around 600 failed to upgrade and I had to manually > install them in small chunks to fix the dependencies. > > > > Sounds like you were doing something wrong. Some packages may fail but > certainly not 600 of them, at least not the packages that were installed > manually. Packages that were auto-installed should not be installed > manually. > > In my case, about 5 packages had to (re)installed manually when I was > upgrading from Debian 11 to 12. > All I did was modify /etc/apt/sources.list from Bullseye to Bookworm, then I ran apt update and apt upgrade. I guess I could have run apt full-upgrade and that probably would have worked better. Either way I wanted to try out Plasma Big Screen and it is running alright. It still needs more polish. I only tested the x11 version and not the wayland version. I will try the wayland version next. > Regards, > > -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org/ ⠈⠳⣄⠀⠀
Re: Debian 11 upgrade to Debian 12
Feb 28, 2023, 12:24 by loca...@tutanota.com: > Feb 28, 2023, 09:04 by timothy.m.butterwo...@gmail.com: > >> I just updated my media center PC from Debian Bullseye to Debian Bookworm. >> The upgrade went alright. I initially had to download almost 2GB of 1640 >> packages. Around 600 failed to upgrade and I had to manually install them in >> small chunks to fix the dependencies. >> > > Sounds like you were doing something wrong. Some packages may fail but > certainly not 600 of them, at least not the packages that were installed > manually. Packages that were auto-installed should not be installed manually. > > In my case, about 5 packages had to (re)installed manually when I was > upgrading from Debian 11 to 12. > Just to add to the above: If a package fails to upgrade, use "aptitude show " to find out if the package was automatically installed. If it was then use "aptitude why " to find out what manually installed package requires it, then reinstall that manually installed package, it will automatically install all the dependencies it needs. Regards,
Re: Debian 11 upgrade to Debian 12
Feb 28, 2023, 09:04 by timothy.m.butterwo...@gmail.com: > I just updated my media center PC from Debian Bullseye to Debian Bookworm. > The upgrade went alright. I initially had to download almost 2GB of 1640 > packages. Around 600 failed to upgrade and I had to manually install them in > small chunks to fix the dependencies. > Sounds like you were doing something wrong. Some packages may fail but certainly not 600 of them, at least not the packages that were installed manually. Packages that were auto-installed should not be installed manually. In my case, about 5 packages had to (re)installed manually when I was upgrading from Debian 11 to 12. Regards,
Re: Debian 11 upgrade to Debian 12
Wen't good for me on a laptop some months ago On 2/28/23, Timothy M Butterworth wrote: > All, > > I just updated my media center PC from Debian Bullseye to Debian Bookworm. > The upgrade went alright. I initially had to download almost 2GB of 1640 > packages. Around 600 failed to upgrade and I had to manually install them > in small chunks to fix the dependencies. Other than that the upgrade went > relatively smoothly and I am liking the new color scheme and wallpapers. > > Anyone else have any good or bad experiences upgrading to bookworm. > > -- > ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ > ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system > ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org/ > ⠈⠳⣄⠀⠀ >
Debian 11 upgrade to Debian 12
All, I just updated my media center PC from Debian Bullseye to Debian Bookworm. The upgrade went alright. I initially had to download almost 2GB of 1640 packages. Around 600 failed to upgrade and I had to manually install them in small chunks to fix the dependencies. Other than that the upgrade went relatively smoothly and I am liking the new color scheme and wallpapers. Anyone else have any good or bad experiences upgrading to bookworm. -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org/ ⠈⠳⣄⠀⠀
