Re: Debian Download Problems

2003-02-26 Thread Greg Madden
On Wednesday 26 February 2003 06:24 am, hlingis wrote:
> Dear Sir or Madam,
>
> ...I'm sure you've heard this before, I can't download an error free
> ISO of either version of potato or woody. I'm using frontiernet dsl
> (509 down-125up) on a hp xt953 with a hp pavilion mx70 display,1000mhz
> machine with easy disk creator basic. I'm a licensed tech instructor
> with a good handle on the mechanics of the process. Different files are
> corrupted with each attempt. I can get it installed by using different
> disks (each representing a different downloading attempt) at the
> corrupt notification-a creepy enterprise at best
snip

You didn't mention thischeck the integrity of the dl'd iso with 
md5sum.  Each iso has a md5sum you can dl from the iso site. This will 
eliminate, or not, the iso as a possible cause and allow you to check 
other possible issues. I do not know what the Windows or Mac equivilent 
is to md5sum.
-- 
Greg Madden


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: Debian Download Problems

2003-02-26 Thread ScruLoose
On Wed, Feb 26, 2003 at 09:24:18AM -0600, hlingis wrote:
> Dear Sir or Madam,
> 
> ...I'm sure you've heard this before, I can't download an error free ISO of 
> either version of potato or woody. 


Personally, I haven't heard this before...  Myself, I'm no sort of
techie, tech instructor, or guru of any other flavour; but I had very
little trouble downloading, burning, and installing an error-free woody
ISO.  Jigdo under WinXP gave me some annoyance, so I used WS_FTP to get
the 3.0 rev1 ISO from one of the mirrors listed on 
http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ 
Checked the md5sum, burned it with Nero, and allowed the installer to do
its own integrity-check, too. It, ahem, Just Worked(tm).

> ...then, can't get x to run, xfree86 issues, sound issues, display issues, 
> modem issues-this should not be this hard, with a machine less than a year 
> old

Nope, but seems unsurprising on an install from a stack of corrupt CDs.

> ...ok, the ability to download a good copy (either ISO or jigdo) appears to 
> be a myth, so my question is: if I buy a copy from some vendor, who, and 
> where, and what hopes do I have to get an error free copy that way? I'm 
> trying to avoid going redhat or mandrake or whatever...

It's no myth.  Perhaps the client prog. you're using for the download is
broken.  And I've never tried that route, but I'm inclined to suspect
that if you buy a copy from some vendor (any vendor you like: I believe
there's a list on the debian homepage) your chances of getting an
error-free disk would be something approaching 100%.

> ...I believe in this product's concept, would like to help promote it 
> within our educational system as an economical alternative

On this point, you're not likely to get any argument from this crowd.
Many of us are busy promoting Debian within and without various
educational systems around the world.

> ...my point is, if I can't do it, how can I ask that the person on the 
> street could be expected to do it

Well... I *am* the person on the street, and I did it.  

> ...I guess I should look at this as an opportunity to launch my own 
> version-is that necessary? I hope not.

I'd say that's nowhere near necessary.  There are already more Linux
distros than you can shake a stick at.  I think that trying to replace
the entire debian project because of your own inability to download an
ISO is a bit excessive.  Also unlikely to get very far.

> ...I truly want to participate in a process that helps break a monopoly and 
> bring debian gnu linux to the masses, is that the objective of anyone else?

Woo-hoo!  That's a major part of my reason for being here.  The other
major part is that I want to use my computer, not vice versa.  (MS has
long annoyed me with their "you don't need to know" way of doing
everything, but with XP's built-in spyware... that crossed the line as
far as I'm concerned.)

> ...any dialogue would be appreciated

Good, good.  As long as you're not just trolling, I think you can expect
plenty of lively dialogue.

Cheers!
-Chris


pgp0.pgp
Description: PGP signature


Re: Debian Download Problems

2003-02-26 Thread Carla Schroder
On Wednesday 26 February 2003 07:24 am, hlingis wrote:
> ...I'm sure you've heard this before, I can't download an error free ISO of
> either version of potato or woody.

Why not order disks from Cheapbytes?

-- 
~
Carla Schroder
www.tuxcomputing.com
this message brought to you
by Libranet 2.7 and Kmail
~


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: Debian Download Problems

2003-02-26 Thread Levi Waldron
On February 26, 2003 10:24 am, hlingis wrote:
> ...ok, the ability to download a good copy (either ISO or jigdo) appears to
> be a myth, so my question is: if I buy a copy from some vendor, who, and
> where, and what hopes do I have to get an error free copy that way? I'm
> trying to avoid going redhat or mandrake or whatever...

I don't know why jigdo isn't working for you - it worked marvellously for me, 
and it even checks cheksums for errors in the constructed image.  If 
jigdo finished and said there were no errors, but you still ended up with a 
CD with errors, then there must be something buggy about your cd burning 
process.  In any case, don't try starting an installation with bad CDs.  

Buying copy from a vendor is an excellent and cheap alternative.  Some 
vendors are listsed at www.debian.org under "CD vendors".  I've had good 
experiences with www.chguy.net, who's in Canada but is cheap to the US too.


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Debian Download Problems

2003-02-26 Thread hlingis
Dear Sir or Madam,

...I'm sure you've heard this before, I can't download an error free ISO of 
either version of potato or woody. I'm using frontiernet dsl (509 
down-125up) on a hp xt953 with a hp pavilion mx70 display,1000mhz machine 
with easy disk creator basic. I'm a licensed tech instructor with a good 
handle on the mechanics of the process. Different files are corrupted with 
each attempt. I can get it installed by using different disks (each 
representing a different downloading attempt) at the corrupt notification-a 
creepy enterprise at best

...then, can't get x to run, xfree86 issues, sound issues, display issues, 
modem issues-this should not be this hard, with a machine less than a year 
old

...ok, the ability to download a good copy (either ISO or jigdo) appears to 
be a myth, so my question is: if I buy a copy from some vendor, who, and 
where, and what hopes do I have to get an error free copy that way? I'm 
trying to avoid going redhat or mandrake or whatever...

...I believe in this product's concept, would like to help promote it 
within our educational system as an economical alternative

...my point is, if I can't do it, how can I ask that the person on the 
street could be expected to do it

...I guess I should look at this as an opportunity to launch my own 
version-is that necessary? I hope not.

...I truly want to participate in a process that helps break a monopoly and 
bring debian gnu linux to the masses, is that the objective of anyone else?

...any dialogue would be appreciated

Hal Lingis
E-Mail:  HYPERLINK "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED]

---
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release Date: 2/25/2003



-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]