Re: Debian Newbie looking for Usefull Tools
Phillipus Gunawan wrote: Hi there, Im a newbie at debian, You may find the NewbieDOC documentation project wiki useful - http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/ just installing debian 31r0a from a DVD. http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/wiki/Installing_Debian_on_a_small_partition I got an ADSL connection with a crappy modem. http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/wiki/Broadband_-_setting_up_an_ethernet_ADSL_modem/router [...] - Firewall (I was looking at ://www.turtlefirewall.com) http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/wiki/Setting_up_a_personal_firewall_on_Debian_using_Guarddog - Printing usage: the ip address/computer name, no of pages, time (we also share a samsung USB printer) [...] http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/wiki/Setting_up_a_parallel_printer_using_CUPS (may get you started) Hope that helps, Chris. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Newbie looking for Usefull Tools
Raquel wrote: On Sat, 09 Sep 2006 16:04:02 -0500 Hugo Vanwoerkom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If you really want to use webmin, use the upstream version (see my other messages on the topic), but it is much better to actually learn the system's interface and where everything is located via the command line. I second that: webmin is too much. Everything it does can be done usually very simply with a command line tool. It just takes a little learning. I tried using Webmin almost 8 years ago when I first started using Linux. I thought that leaning Webmin was more difficult than learning to use the command line. I find it useful for things like managing bind files, and for monitoring other machines (ping monitor and email if down), and such. For minor config files changes, vi is still the easiest way to go. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Newbie looking for Usefull Tools
On Sat, 09 Sep 2006 16:04:02 -0500 Hugo Vanwoerkom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If you really want to use webmin, use the upstream version (see > > my other messages on the topic), but it is much better to > > actually learn the system's interface and where everything is > > located via the command line. > > > > I second that: webmin is too much. Everything it does can be done > usually very simply with a command line tool. It just takes a > little learning. I tried using Webmin almost 8 years ago when I first started using Linux. I thought that leaning Webmin was more difficult than learning to use the command line. -- Raquel Censorship, like charity, should begin at home; but, unlike charity, it should end there. --Clare Booth Luce -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Newbie looking for Usefull Tools
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Thu, Sep 07, 2006 at 10:19:12PM -0700, Phillipus Gunawan wrote: Hi there, Im a newbie at debian, just installing debian 31r0a from a DVD. I got an ADSL connection with a crappy modem. Anyhow, I want to make a box that can do: - Generating traffic usage (download/upload) Not sure. - List the program / port / destination used in daily/weekly/monthly basis (just in case that 1 of my mates use kazaa or something that we decided to blocked) - Firewall (I was looking at ://www.turtlefirewall.com) Use shorewall. Extremely well documented, active IRC channel and active mailing list. Probably the most powerful and easy to use firewall package for iptables. - Printing usage: the ip address/computer name, no of pages, time (we also share a samsung USB printer) I think that CUPS can do that. I heard that Webmin (www.webmin.com) is a tool that combine a few debian pacakages so easier to manage them. Any suggestion? If you really want to use webmin, use the upstream version (see my other messages on the topic), but it is much better to actually learn the system's interface and where everything is located via the command line. I second that: webmin is too much. Everything it does can be done usually very simply with a command line tool. It just takes a little learning. H Thank you in advance for any reply, Phillipus Regards, -Roberto -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Newbie looking for Usefull Tools
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Fri, Sep 08, 2006 at 01:01:30PM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote: Andrei Popescu wrote: The next release of Debian will *not* include Webmin. Unless you plan to stick with 3.1 (sarge) even after the release of 4.0 (etch), you will have to compile it yourself. How come? In short, webmin is a fast moving target. They are constantly updating. The burden on maintaining a Debian package is quite large. This is especially true when you consider that the Debian packages were never of particularly good quality to begin with. Not to knock on the maintainer, but it was a bear of a package to begin with. -Roberto Thanks! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Newbie looking for Usefull Tools
On Thu, Sep 07, 2006 at 10:19:12PM -0700, Phillipus Gunawan wrote: > Hi there, > > Im a newbie at debian, just installing debian 31r0a from a DVD. I got an ADSL > connection with a crappy modem. Anyhow, I want to make a box that can do: > > - Generating traffic usage (download/upload) Not sure. > - List the program / port / destination used in daily/weekly/monthly basis > (just in case that 1 of my mates use kazaa or something that we decided to > blocked) > - Firewall (I was looking at ://www.turtlefirewall.com) Use shorewall. Extremely well documented, active IRC channel and active mailing list. Probably the most powerful and easy to use firewall package for iptables. > - Printing usage: the ip address/computer name, no of pages, time (we also > share a samsung USB printer) > I think that CUPS can do that. > I heard that Webmin (www.webmin.com) is a tool that combine a few debian > pacakages so easier to manage them. Any suggestion? If you really want to use webmin, use the upstream version (see my other messages on the topic), but it is much better to actually learn the system's interface and where everything is located via the command line. > > Thank you in advance for any reply, > > Phillipus Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://familiasanchez.net/~roberto signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Debian Newbie looking for Usefull Tools
On Fri, Sep 08, 2006 at 01:01:30PM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Andrei Popescu wrote: > >The next release of Debian will *not* include Webmin. Unless you plan > >to stick with 3.1 (sarge) even after the release of 4.0 (etch), you > >will have to compile it yourself. > How come? > In short, webmin is a fast moving target. They are constantly updating. The burden on maintaining a Debian package is quite large. This is especially true when you consider that the Debian packages were never of particularly good quality to begin with. Not to knock on the maintainer, but it was a bear of a package to begin with. -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://familiasanchez.net/~roberto signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Debian Newbie looking for Usefull Tools
On Fri, Sep 08, 2006 at 07:11:58AM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Phillipus Gunawan wrote: > >- Generating traffic usage (download/upload) > > > vnstat > >I heard that Webmin (www.webmin.com) is a tool that combine a few debian > >pacakages so easier to manage them. Any suggestion? > > > I find webmin to be pretty useful, but a few caveats: > - the stable package is a bit old It has also been removed from Etch and will no longer be a supported Debian package. That is not a bad thing, but if you intend to use it, just start with the upstream package. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://familiasanchez.net/~roberto signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Debian Newbie looking for Usefull Tools
Miles Fidelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Andrei Popescu wrote: > > The next release of Debian will *not* include Webmin. Unless you plan > > to stick with 3.1 (sarge) even after the release of 4.0 (etch), you > > will have to compile it yourself. > How come? The webmin package has been orphaned quite some time now (almost a year). That means there is no maintainer for it. You can still use it but it won't be updated. It will only receive security updates as long as sarge is supported by the security team. Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Newbie looking for Usefull Tools
Andrei Popescu wrote: The next release of Debian will *not* include Webmin. Unless you plan to stick with 3.1 (sarge) even after the release of 4.0 (etch), you will have to compile it yourself. How come? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Newbie looking for Usefull Tools
Phillipus Gunawan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi there, > > Im a newbie at debian, just installing debian 31r0a from a DVD. I got an ADSL > connection with a crappy modem. Anyhow, I want to make a box that can do: > - Firewall (I was looking at ://www.turtlefirewall.com) Shorewall. No GUI, but very powerful and not that hard to set up. There is a nice tutorial on the web, I can look for the link if you are interested > I heard that Webmin (www.webmin.com) is a tool that combine a few debian > pacakages so easier to manage them. Any suggestion? > > Thank you in advance for any reply, > > Phillipus The next release of Debian will *not* include Webmin. Unless you plan to stick with 3.1 (sarge) even after the release of 4.0 (etch), you will have to compile it yourself. If you're going to do a lot of admin on linux it is recommended to learn the command-line tools. There's a lot to learn in the beginning, but the results are more than rewarding. Especially if you have some failure (ex. hardware). HTH Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Newbie looking for Usefull Tools
- Generating traffic usage (download/upload)http: wget & screentorrents: www.torrentflux.comdc: dctcand many more.- List the program / port / destination used in daily/weekly/monthly basis (just in case that 1 of my mates use kazaa or something that we decided to blocked)Install mrtg/cacti/ntop2006/9/8, Miles Fidelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >:Phillipus Gunawan wrote:> - Generating traffic usage (download/upload) >vnstat> I heard that Webmin (www.webmin.com) is a tool that combine a few debian pacakages so easier to manage them. Any suggestion?>I find webmin to be pretty useful, but a few caveats: - the stable package is a bit old- not all the modules you need are available as packages (at least instable)- you can install newer modules via webmin, but they end up in the wrong place (/usr/webin instead of /usr/share/webmin - I think) - you need to move the entire directory with the module name, and make sure to fix ownership they don't always work (incompatibilities between newer versions ofthe module and the older version of webmin, older versions of the particular thing being managed, expectations that files are somewhereother than where Debian packages put them) -- some of this can be fixedvia the individual module config screens, some can'tSo by all means, install the basic webmin package, and try it out. But use caution.There's a fairly good, and detailed guide to webmin that can bedownloaded fromhttp://www.informit.com/content/downloads/Perens%20Downloads/0131408828_pdf.zip Hopw this helps.Miles Fidelman--To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Newbie looking for Usefull Tools
Phillipus Gunawan wrote: - Generating traffic usage (download/upload) vnstat I heard that Webmin (www.webmin.com) is a tool that combine a few debian pacakages so easier to manage them. Any suggestion? I find webmin to be pretty useful, but a few caveats: - the stable package is a bit old - not all the modules you need are available as packages (at least in stable) - you can install newer modules via webmin, but they end up in the wrong place (/usr/webin instead of /usr/share/webmin - I think) - you need to move the entire directory with the module name, and make sure to fix ownership they don't always work (incompatibilities between newer versions of the module and the older version of webmin, older versions of the particular thing being managed, expectations that files are somewhere other than where Debian packages put them) -- some of this can be fixed via the individual module config screens, some can't So by all means, install the basic webmin package, and try it out. But use caution. There's a fairly good, and detailed guide to webmin that can be downloaded from http://www.informit.com/content/downloads/Perens%20Downloads/0131408828_pdf.zip Hopw this helps. Miles Fidelman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Debian Newbie looking for Usefull Tools
Hi there, Im a newbie at debian, just installing debian 31r0a from a DVD. I got an ADSL connection with a crappy modem. Anyhow, I want to make a box that can do: - Generating traffic usage (download/upload) - List the program / port / destination used in daily/weekly/monthly basis (just in case that 1 of my mates use kazaa or something that we decided to blocked) - Firewall (I was looking at ://www.turtlefirewall.com) - Printing usage: the ip address/computer name, no of pages, time (we also share a samsung USB printer) I heard that Webmin (www.webmin.com) is a tool that combine a few debian pacakages so easier to manage them. Any suggestion? Thank you in advance for any reply, Phillipus -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
