Re: Debian installation doesn't see my network
Am Montag, 10. Januar 2022, 16:21:25 CET schrieb Eric S Fraga: Had a similar issue with a notebook from Dell some time ago. The reason was, that the binary firmware did not exist on on the installer cdrom or dvd. The network interface was just too new! This is a problem with debian's policy and installer isos: They are sometimes too old for newer hardware. And also the installer kernel is sometimes too old for modern hardware. My solution would be, to put the latest kernel and all latest firmware and whatever the modern hardware needs, to be recognized, fort installation. After the installation has finished, the installer could deinstall all unneeded staff. Yes, I know, this is not debian style, but would be my style. Don't anger at me. Best Hans > On Saturday, 8 Jan 2022 at 20:07, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > If you can bear it: reinstall, using the unofficial image, including > > non-free firmware. > > I had to do this for a recently purchased Dell laptop with Intel NIC > on-board. Worked just fine this way but wouldn't install without the > non-free firmware as it couldn't find the network.
Re: Debian installation doesn't see my network
On Saturday, 8 Jan 2022 at 20:07, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > If you can bear it: reinstall, using the unofficial image, including > non-free firmware. I had to do this for a recently purchased Dell laptop with Intel NIC on-board. Worked just fine this way but wouldn't install without the non-free firmware as it couldn't find the network. -- Eric S Fraga with org 9.5.2 in Emacs 29.0.50 on Debian 11.2
Re: Debian installation doesn't see my network
sciguy composed on 2022-01-08 12:13 (UTC-0500): > It seems the root of my problem is in Microsoft's choice to take over > the EFI in a recent update, thereby supplanting GRUB, which was there > before. GRUB was a technology I understood fairly well; EFI is not. Can > anyone suggest, or point to some resources, for how to install Linux > alongside W10, in a way that the EFI appears to recognize (since it > seemed to almost accidentally with Debian). A UEFI BIOS is _much_ more competent than a legacy BIOS, and plays a larger part of the boot process. With UEFI-only mode selected in the BIOS (CSM disabled), all Windows would have done is change which entry on the ESP filesystem is read when the PC is booted, by changing the BIOS boot priority order. Go into BIOS and you /should/ see a place in the boot category to move a Linux installation to the top of the order, if any Linux installation was sufficiently completed. Alternatively, booted in UEFI mode to Linux, the efibootmgr command can reorder the boot priorities in the BIOS. Grub doesn't participate in the UEFI boot process until after the BIOS loads from an ESP partition a file that an OS has installed there. Windows won't touch a file created by Linux, and Linux won't touch a file created by Windows. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
Re: Debian installation doesn't see my network
On Sat, Jan 08, 2022 at 12:13:41PM -0500, sciguy wrote: > This has happened with what I have tried so far: Debian and Ubuntu. I have > been accustomed to my network card being auto-detected and the internet > being automatically connected with an installation, but I am not getting > internet on installation, so much of the installation has failed. > > This machine was set up as a dual boot, and is running Windows 10 with the > latest updates. It has previously run a version of Ubuntu Studio, but with > this upgrade (first by USB then by DVD), I am not getting a network, and so > the installation remains half-finished. > > Somehow, after changing this over to Debian, where the installation failed > for the same reason, Windows 10 EFI detected the incomplete installation and > now offers "finishing the Debian installation" as a boot option when I > reboot. > > It seems the root of my problem is in Microsoft's choice to take over the > EFI in a recent update, thereby supplanting GRUB, which was there before. > GRUB was a technology I understood fairly well; EFI is not. Can anyone > suggest, or point to some resources, for how to install Linux alongside W10, > in a way that the EFI appears to recognize (since it seemed to almost > accidentally with Debian). > > For the record, the motherboard is an ASUS Maximus VI Hero with an onboard > Intel NIC (Intel Ethernet Connection I217-V). The processor is an Intel Core > I7-4770K (Haswell). > > It needs to go online for at least the video drivers (I have NVIDIA and a > dual monitor), and I am hoping that it is not needing to go online for the > network driver. > > Thanks > > Paul > If you can bear it: reinstall, using the unofficial image, including non-free firmware. https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/11.2.0+nonfree/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-11.2.0-amd64-netinst.iso or https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/11.2.0+nonfree/amd64/iso-dvd/firmware-11.2.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso If you can, use an expert install and use text mode. If you need to install non-free drivers, it may be easier to install text mode and then to configure the Nvidia non-free drivers before using tasksel to install a desktop environment. The non-free firmware iso includes drivers for many of the common wifi chipsets but if you can use Ethernet to install with, you may find it easier. If you install the Debian to the backstop location in EFI, it should co-exist with the Microsoft UEFI install that you already have. All the very best, as ever, Andy Cater
Re: Debian installation doesn't see my network
On 1/8/22 19:13, sciguy wrote: > This has happened with what I have tried so far: Debian and Ubuntu. I > have been accustomed to my network card being auto-detected and the > internet being automatically connected with an installation, but I am > not getting internet on installation, so much of the installation has > failed. > > This machine was set up as a dual boot, and is running Windows 10 with > the latest updates. It has previously run a version of Ubuntu Studio, > but with this upgrade (first by USB then by DVD), I am not getting a > network, and so the installation remains half-finished. > > Somehow, after changing this over to Debian, where the installation > failed for the same reason, Windows 10 EFI detected the incomplete > installation and now offers "finishing the Debian installation" as a > boot option when I reboot. > > It seems the root of my problem is in Microsoft's choice to take over > the EFI in a recent update, thereby supplanting GRUB, which was there > before. GRUB was a technology I understood fairly well; EFI is not. Can > anyone suggest, or point to some resources, for how to install Linux > alongside W10, in a way that the EFI appears to recognize (since it > seemed to almost accidentally with Debian). > > For the record, the motherboard is an ASUS Maximus VI Hero with an > onboard Intel NIC (Intel Ethernet Connection I217-V). The processor is > an Intel Core I7-4770K (Haswell). > > It needs to go online for at least the video drivers (I have NVIDIA and > a dual monitor), and I am hoping that it is not needing to go online for > the network driver. > Hi sciguy, I'm not sure that UEFI/BIOS mode is the reason for not connecting to Internet but check in which mode Debian installer recognize the system during initial screen menu. Here are two screenshots BIOS mode - https://ibb.co/Q8yvyYz EFI mode - https://ibb.co/pKfpcQp if you want EFI mode try to disable compatibility mode in UEFI. If you want BIOS mode then enable compatibility mode in UEFI. Kind regards Georgi
Debian installation doesn't see my network
This has happened with what I have tried so far: Debian and Ubuntu. I have been accustomed to my network card being auto-detected and the internet being automatically connected with an installation, but I am not getting internet on installation, so much of the installation has failed. This machine was set up as a dual boot, and is running Windows 10 with the latest updates. It has previously run a version of Ubuntu Studio, but with this upgrade (first by USB then by DVD), I am not getting a network, and so the installation remains half-finished. Somehow, after changing this over to Debian, where the installation failed for the same reason, Windows 10 EFI detected the incomplete installation and now offers "finishing the Debian installation" as a boot option when I reboot. It seems the root of my problem is in Microsoft's choice to take over the EFI in a recent update, thereby supplanting GRUB, which was there before. GRUB was a technology I understood fairly well; EFI is not. Can anyone suggest, or point to some resources, for how to install Linux alongside W10, in a way that the EFI appears to recognize (since it seemed to almost accidentally with Debian). For the record, the motherboard is an ASUS Maximus VI Hero with an onboard Intel NIC (Intel Ethernet Connection I217-V). The processor is an Intel Core I7-4770K (Haswell). It needs to go online for at least the video drivers (I have NVIDIA and a dual monitor), and I am hoping that it is not needing to go online for the network driver. Thanks Paul
