Re: Debian on Infomagic CD
On Sun, 8 Dec 1996, Bruce Perens wrote: > I advised Joel to look over the licenses of the individual programs in > non-free, and decide what he could legally include. I don't know if he'll > have space. Since there has been discussion of splitting up non-free, how about creating a 'non-dist' for those that have distribution restrictions? Fortunately, there are not many, and if the package maintainer would include a line in the Packages entry like: mypackage-1.1.deb D-Restrictions: CD foreign Xfoo (restricted CD, foreign, or 'foo' distributions) or anotherpkg-0.1.deb D-Restrictions: none (no restrictions on distribution) This way, a grep of the packages (with standardized keywords) would give an instant list of all packages not allowed on CD-ROM. The '-Xfoo' flag is a hypothetical "extended" flag, here stating that distribution by method "foo" is specifically prohibited, but there is no recognized flag '-foo'. This could be extended to all non-free packages, with other lines, like: thispkg-2.0.deb U-Restrictions: commercial for restrictions on commercial use. Just an idea... | This is OFFICIAL WRITTEN notification that I want to be REMOVED | | from ALL commercial mailing lists. EVERY message sent from this | | account has had this request posted. ALL UNSOLICITED ADVERTISEMENTS | | SENT TO THIS ACCOUNT ARE IN VIOLATION OF FEDERAL (U.S.) LAW.| -- This message was delayed because the list mail delivery agent was down.
Re: Debian on Infomagic CD
Actually, it looks as if "contrib" made it onto the CD, but non-free did not. Bruce -- Bruce Perens K6BP [EMAIL PROTECTED] Finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP public key. PGP fingerprint = 88 6A 15 D0 65 D4 A3 A6 1F 89 6A 76 95 24 87 B3 -- This message was delayed because the list mail delivery agent was down.
Re: Debian on Infomagic CD
I think the license should be placed in the archive next to the package so that it is easy to read. Regarding InfoMagic, I think this time he only has one CD for Debian, and thus some stuff like "contrib" and "non-free" might not make it on to the CD. Thanks Bruce -- Bruce Perens K6BP [EMAIL PROTECTED] Finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP public key. PGP fingerprint = 88 6A 15 D0 65 D4 A3 A6 1F 89 6A 76 95 24 87 B3 -- This message was delayed because the list mail delivery agent was down.
Re: Debian on Infomagic CD
On Mon, 9 Dec 1996, Adam Shand wrote: > >What I would like to see added to non-free (more than stable/unstable) is > >the copyright files for each package, already unpacked, so the packages > >don't need to be unpacked to be investigated. This would make it a lot > >less work determining which packages might be included under various > >circumstances. > > I agree, this would be *really* nice. then talk to Guy, it should be easy enough to extract from the archive automatically. it should be in /usr/doc/"package name"/copyright. Shaya -- Shaya Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This message was delayed because the list mail delivery agent was down.
Re: Debian on Infomagic CD
On Mon, 9 Dec 1996, Bruce Perens wrote: > Regarding InfoMagic, I think this time he only has one CD for Debian, > and thus some stuff like "contrib" and "non-free" might not make it on > to the CD. > Hmm, the last InfoMagic Developer's Resource had only room for Debian on not even a whole disk. It had to share a single disk with some other stuff like a Wine mirror and JE (Japanese Extensions?). So it can't become worse than before... P. *8^) -- Paul Seelig [EMAIL PROTECTED] African Music Archive - Institute for Ethnology and Africa Studies Johannes Gutenberg-University - Forum 6 - 55099 Mainz/Germany Our AMA Homepage in the WWW at http://www.uni-mainz.de/~bender/ -- This message was delayed because the list mail delivery agent was down.
Re: Debian on Infomagic CD
I advised Joel to look over the licenses of the individual programs in non-free, and decide what he could legally include. I don't know if he'll have space. Thanks Bruce -- Bruce Perens K6BP [EMAIL PROTECTED] Finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP public key. PGP fingerprint = 88 6A 15 D0 65 D4 A3 A6 1F 89 6A 76 95 24 87 B3 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian on Infomagic CD
>What I would like to see added to non-free (more than stable/unstable) is >the copyright files for each package, already unpacked, so the packages >don't need to be unpacked to be investigated. This would make it a lot >less work determining which packages might be included under various >circumstances. I agree, this would be *really* nice. Adam. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian on Infomagic CD
On Sun, 8 Dec 1996, Shaya Potter wrote: > On Sun, 8 Dec 1996, Dale Scheetz wrote: > > > On Sun, 8 Dec 1996, Shaya Potter wrote: > > > > > On Sun, 8 Dec 1996, Karl Ferguson wrote: > > > > > > > The whole idea for the "non-free" area is that it belongs to programs > > > > with > > > > difficult copyright notices such as it's not to be distributed etc. I > > > > seriously doubt that any CD manufacturer will include it on a > > > > distributed CD > > > > because it may well break copyright laws. > > > > > > > This isn't exactly true. A package can go into non-free if commercial > > > use is not allowed. A CD manufacturer can then put the package on the CD > > > if they make a notice that commercial use is prohibited. At least this > > > is how I understand it. > > > > My understanding is that producing a CD for sale (which I do) is a > > commercial use of the software and therefore not allowed. Pine, on the > > other hand, is in non-free, but I can distribute it because it's only > > restriction is that I may not put pine on a CD with proprietary software > > (this restriction is enough to place it in non-free). It is for each > > re-distributor to decide which of these packages they can use. That is the > > reason they are in non-free to begin with. > > I was thinking along the line of something like cucipop, which if I > remember correctly is free for personal use, but not for isp's to use and > it therefore was put in non-free, but it could probably be distributed on > a cd, couldn't it? > Probably yes. But it's still the responsibility of the CD manufacturer to decide. What I would like to see added to non-free (more than stable/unstable) is the copyright files for each package, already unpacked, so the packages don't need to be unpacked to be investigated. This would make it a lot less work determining which packages might be included under various circumstances. Luck, Dwarf -- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 877-0257 Flexible Software Fax: NONE Black Creek Critters e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you don't see what you want, just ask -- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian on Infomagic CD
Hi Paul, You wrote: Paul> Paul> On Sat, 7 Dec 1996, Bruce Perens wrote: Paul> Please advice Joel Goldberger to include the Paul> non-free stuff as well because lots of people -- like me ;-) -- Paul> *do* need this software. I already wrote him a message asking Paul> to do so but your word may have possibly more weight! AFAIK, non-free exists only because there are packages that should not be on CD-ROM (copyright) but can still be pkged and put on the ftp site. *shrug* Paul> Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] thks borik -- Boris D. Beletsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] For pgp public key, e-mail me with subject "get pgp-key" -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian on Infomagic CD
On Sun, 8 Dec 1996, Karl Ferguson wrote: > The whole idea for the "non-free" area is that it belongs to programs with > difficult copyright notices such as it's not to be distributed etc. I > seriously doubt that any CD manufacturer will include it on a distributed CD > because it may well break copyright laws. > You have never purchased a CD-ROM from I-Connect, did you? They do it just like the humble user prefers it. The annoying thing about the InfoMagic disks was that all programs out of non-free were present as *.rpm in RedHat, as *.tgz in Slackware and as well as *.tar.gz as mirrored from various FTP servers. This is/has been schizophrenic to my mind... Regards, P. *8^) -- Paul Seelig [EMAIL PROTECTED] African Music Archive - Institute for Ethnology and Africa Studies Johannes Gutenberg-University - Forum 6 - 55099 Mainz/Germany Our AMA Homepage in the WWW at http://www.uni-mainz.de/~bender/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian on Infomagic CD
Hi Shaya, You wrote: Shaya> Shaya> On Sun, 8 Dec 1996, Karl Ferguson wrote: Shaya> Shaya> This isn't exactly true. A package Shaya> can go into non-free if commercial use is not allowed. A CD Shaya> manufacturer can then put the package on the CD if they make a Shaya> notice that commercial use is prohibited. At least this is how Shaya> I understand it. But isn't, putting a pkg on cdrom and selling it, makes already "commercial use" ? thks borik -- Boris D. Beletsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] For pgp public key, e-mail me with subject "get pgp-key" -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian on Infomagic CD
On Sun, 8 Dec 1996, Dale Scheetz wrote: > On Sun, 8 Dec 1996, Shaya Potter wrote: > > > On Sun, 8 Dec 1996, Karl Ferguson wrote: > > > > > The whole idea for the "non-free" area is that it belongs to programs with > > > difficult copyright notices such as it's not to be distributed etc. I > > > seriously doubt that any CD manufacturer will include it on a distributed > > > CD > > > because it may well break copyright laws. > > > > > This isn't exactly true. A package can go into non-free if commercial > > use is not allowed. A CD manufacturer can then put the package on the CD > > if they make a notice that commercial use is prohibited. At least this > > is how I understand it. > > My understanding is that producing a CD for sale (which I do) is a > commercial use of the software and therefore not allowed. Pine, on the > other hand, is in non-free, but I can distribute it because it's only > restriction is that I may not put pine on a CD with proprietary software > (this restriction is enough to place it in non-free). It is for each > re-distributor to decide which of these packages they can use. That is the > reason they are in non-free to begin with. I was thinking along the line of something like cucipop, which if I remember correctly is free for personal use, but not for isp's to use and it therefore was put in non-free, but it could probably be distributed on a cd, couldn't it? Shaya -- Shaya Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian on Infomagic CD
On Sun, 8 Dec 1996, Shaya Potter wrote: > On Sun, 8 Dec 1996, Karl Ferguson wrote: > > > The whole idea for the "non-free" area is that it belongs to programs with > > difficult copyright notices such as it's not to be distributed etc. I > > seriously doubt that any CD manufacturer will include it on a distributed CD > > because it may well break copyright laws. > > > This isn't exactly true. A package can go into non-free if commercial > use is not allowed. A CD manufacturer can then put the package on the CD > if they make a notice that commercial use is prohibited. At least this > is how I understand it. My understanding is that producing a CD for sale (which I do) is a commercial use of the software and therefore not allowed. Pine, on the other hand, is in non-free, but I can distribute it because it's only restriction is that I may not put pine on a CD with proprietary software (this restriction is enough to place it in non-free). It is for each re-distributor to decide which of these packages they can use. That is the reason they are in non-free to begin with. Luck, Dwarf -- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 877-0257 Flexible Software Fax: NONE Black Creek Critters e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you don't see what you want, just ask -- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian on Infomagic CD
On Sun, 8 Dec 1996, Karl Ferguson wrote: > At 03:09 PM 12/8/96 +0100, Paul Seelig wrote: > >Please advice Joel Goldberger to include the non-free stuff as well > >because lots of people -- like me ;-) -- *do* need this software. I > >already wrote him a message asking to do so but your word may have > >possibly more weight! > > The whole idea for the "non-free" area is that it belongs to programs with > difficult copyright notices such as it's not to be distributed etc. I > seriously doubt that any CD manufacturer will include it on a distributed CD > because it may well break copyright laws. > This isn't exactly true. A package can go into non-free if commercial use is not allowed. A CD manufacturer can then put the package on the CD if they make a notice that commercial use is prohibited. At least this is how I understand it. Shaya -- Shaya Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian on Infomagic CD
On Sat, 7 Dec 1996, Bruce Perens wrote: > They will have a real Debian 1.2 release on their CD. It's authorized. > They've been holding off mastering the CD until I give the go-ahead. > I will be sending them a list of MD5 checksums tomorrow morning just > to be sure they get all of the files right. > Please advice Joel Goldberger to include the non-free stuff as well because lots of people -- like me ;-) -- *do* need this software. I already wrote him a message asking to do so but your word may have possibly more weight! Thanks, P. *8^) -- Paul Seelig [EMAIL PROTECTED] African Music Archive - Institute for Ethnology and Africa Studies Johannes Gutenberg-University - Forum 6 - 55099 Mainz/Germany Our AMA Homepage in the WWW at http://www.uni-mainz.de/~bender/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian on Infomagic CD
From: David Welton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Debian - Latest "stable" release (Debian GNU/Linux 1.2) They will have a real Debian 1.2 release on their CD. It's authorized. They've been holding off mastering the CD until I give the go-ahead. I will be sending them a list of MD5 checksums tomorrow morning just to be sure they get all of the files right. Bruce -- Bruce Perens K6BP [EMAIL PROTECTED] Finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP public key. PGP fingerprint = 88 6A 15 D0 65 D4 A3 A6 1F 89 6A 76 95 24 87 B3 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Debian on Infomagic CD
According to the Infomagic Web Page for the new 6 CD set: IM>Mirror date: 1st week of December Yet, it also states: IM>* Debian - Latest "stable" release (Debian GNU/Linux 1.2) So, what I'm wondering is if they are just going to mirror what they found in the past week on the ftp site? That's a pretty scary proposition, and I'm no longer sure I want to get the CD set, given that 1.2 isn't actually out. Anyone here know anything? David Welton [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.efn.org/~davidw Se quest'email e` in Italiano, mi dispiace per gli errori:-) FORZA PANTANI! -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
