Re: Detach Icedove from xterm itself called from terminal.
Iuri Guilherme dos Santos Martins wrote: > Your script is very good, by the way. > Thanks for sharing :D Thank you, and a pleasure. Chris -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/qt0qq8xjhg@news.roaima.co.uk
Re: Detach Icedove from xterm itself called from terminal.
Em 02-12-2011 17:36, Mart Frauenlob escreveu: ok, after reading the online help for xterm: as it calls a shell normally, why not let the shell just execute one command with the '-c' option? xterm -e sh -c 'icedove &' how does that behave? xterm should close after the shell closes, right? Actually that would make xterm closes when icedove closes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4ed9394c.8050...@gmail.com
Re: Detach Icedove from xterm itself called from terminal.
On 02.12.2011 17:09, Iuri Guilherme dos Santos Martins wrote: Em 01-12-2011 17:28, Mart Frauenlob escreveu: why use a shubshell for icedove, we expect to use the output for something? better use single quotes to protect the `&' to be parsed by the shell and to prevent from word splitting, so we keep it as one 'word' option for xterm. echo exit > xterm -e 'icedove &' & (untested - no X here) I know what you mean, but that seems either to send the exit command before the icedove or maybe it send the exit command to icedove itself, because nothing does appear on the task manager (and I'm lacking a debug feature to see what is happening). Double quotes aren't working neither. ok, after reading the online help for xterm: as it calls a shell normally, why not let the shell just execute one command with the '-c' option? xterm -e sh -c 'icedove &' how does that behave? xterm should close after the shell closes, right? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4ed936cb.7090...@chello.at
Re: Detach Icedove from xterm itself called from terminal.
Your script is very good, by the way. I used that to fix some errors i had in my Openbox menu that I was procrastinating to solve (nothing that couldn't be done by command line anyways). Thanks for sharing :D -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4ed92732.1080...@gmail.com
Re: Detach Icedove from xterm itself called from terminal.
Iuri Guilherme dos Santos Martins wrote: > Well, if you are willing to learn bash then what I would recommend is > exactly what Chris said [...] You don't need to learn bash to use the script I've offered. (Others here can sanity-check it so you don't need to "trust" my coding.) Chris -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/b6enq8xg63@news.roaima.co.uk
Re: Detach Icedove from xterm itself called from terminal.
Well, the way that you could produce a bash script file and then run it with only one command would be like this: echo "#!/bin/bash \nicedove & \nexit" > script.sh && bash script.sh && rm script.sh Just make sure your Lua interpreter can understand the && What that does is create a file called script.sh in the current directory (>), run it (bash), and the attempt to remove it (rm). The file would look like this: #!/bin/bash icedove & exit (Assuming there's a bash in your /bin) That's not the better way to do it, I am sure if I had studied more bash script I would have a better solution (especially without using temporary files). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4ed8fd26.8090...@gmail.com
Re: Detach Icedove from xterm itself called from terminal.
Em 01-12-2011 17:28, Mart Frauenlob escreveu: why use a shubshell for icedove, we expect to use the output for something? better use single quotes to protect the `&' to be parsed by the shell and to prevent from word splitting, so we keep it as one 'word' option for xterm. echo exit > xterm -e 'icedove &' & (untested - no X here) I know what you mean, but that seems either to send the exit command before the icedove or maybe it send the exit command to icedove itself, because nothing does appear on the task manager (and I'm lacking a debug feature to see what is happening). Double quotes aren't working neither. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4ed8f835.4010...@gmail.com
Re: Detach Icedove from xterm itself called from terminal.
Le 01/12/2011 20:36, Iuri Guilherme dos Santos Martins a écrit : Now I get it, You must use the same command i sent you, however in the Lua language you should have an option to detach the command from the terminal Unfortunately, there is no such thing. That should work (assuming that now i did understand what you are doing). You did :) Paul
Re: Detach Icedove from xterm itself called from terminal.
On 30.11.2011 17:25, Iuri Guilherme dos Santos Martins wrote: Well, the example i gave you opens another terminal (xterm) and opens icedove without closing the first terminal nor the second (assuming that you was using xterm in the first place). If you want the terminal to be closed, you may use: echo exit > xterm -e `icedove &` & (if you want the xterm you use to open icedove closes) why use a shubshell for icedove, we expect to use the output for something? better use single quotes to protect the `&' to be parsed by the shell and to prevent from word splitting, so we keep it as one 'word' option for xterm. echo exit > xterm -e 'icedove &' & (untested - no X here) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4ed7e376.9010...@chello.at
Re: Detach Icedove from xterm itself called from terminal.
Now I get it, You must use the same command i sent you, however in the Lua language you should have an option to detach the command from the terminal that you are using, and to close the terminal. That should work (assuming that now i did understand what you are doing). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4ed7d740.1010...@gmail.com
Re: Detach Icedove from xterm itself called from terminal.
Em 01-12-2011 11:08, Chris Davies escreveu: > Paul Isambert wrote: > >> But Icedove still stays attached to the first terminal... >> > Just to check, you want to be able to start icedove from the command > line in (say) an xterm, but have it continue to run even when that > xterm is closed? No: launch icedove from a terminal itself launched from a terminal. I have a Lua script which calls "os.execute()", and as Clive remarked, this calls a shell. The Lua script itself is called from a terminal, and I would like everything to close when the program is launched. I made the double terminal example, because that's basically the same problem (it seems to me). Le 01/12/2011 16:59, Iuri Guilherme dos Santos Martins a écrit : Well, if you are willing to learn bash then what I would recommend is exactly what Chris said: you run an external script (whose first line would be #!/bin/bash) with the necessary commands to make exactly what you wanted. Yeah, I think learning bash will be definitely simpler. But I love Lua... and don't really want to learn a new language, even though now that I use Debian, learning bash won't be wasting time... Paul
Re: Detach Icedove from xterm itself called from terminal.
Em 01-12-2011 11:08, Chris Davies escreveu: Paul Isambert wrote: But Icedove still stays attached to the first terminal... Just to check, you want to be able to start icedove from the command line in (say) an xterm, but have it continue to run even when that xterm is closed? And you're not really interested in stdout/stderr. I use thunderbird rather than icedove but this "just works" here: [xterm window] $ thunderbird& [wait for thunderbird to start] $ ^D # or "exit" [thunderbird continues to run] I have a script that I use to start GUI applications from the command line, which I've made available at http://www.roaima.co.uk/stuff/2011/12/01/x.sh You would save it as "x" somewhere in your PATH ($HOME/bin, perhaps), and make it executable (chmod a+x /your/path/to/x) and then use it something like this: x icedove Chris Well, if you are willing to learn bash then what I would recommend is exactly what Chris said: you run an external script (whose first line would be #!/bin/bash) with the necessary commands to make exactly what you wanted. I was trying to attempt a solution that does not use any external commands, but only now I realized that you are opening xterm, which would not be necessary. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4ed7a457.1080...@gmail.com
Re: Detach Icedove from xterm itself called from terminal.
Paul Isambert wrote: > But Icedove still stays attached to the first terminal... Just to check, you want to be able to start icedove from the command line in (say) an xterm, but have it continue to run even when that xterm is closed? And you're not really interested in stdout/stderr. I use thunderbird rather than icedove but this "just works" here: [xterm window] $ thunderbird & [wait for thunderbird to start] $ ^D # or "exit" [thunderbird continues to run] I have a script that I use to start GUI applications from the command line, which I've made available at http://www.roaima.co.uk/stuff/2011/12/01/x.sh You would save it as "x" somewhere in your PATH ($HOME/bin, perhaps), and make it executable (chmod a+x /your/path/to/x) and then use it something like this: x icedove Chris -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/hcekq8xc0j@news.roaima.co.uk
Re: Detach Icedove from xterm itself called from terminal.
The first terminal you say is supposed to be closed? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4ed76b6e.4010...@gmail.com
Re: Detach Icedove from xterm itself called from terminal.
Le 30/11/2011 17:02, Clive Standbridge a écrit : I don't know anything about Lua, but searching around suggests that os.execute executes its command in a shell, not directly. In that case you should be able to use a command like icedove & No, that didn't work, the terminal closes and icedove never opens. but if that causes icedove to be closed immediately, you could try nohup icedove & Doesn't work either. However, without the ampersand, the terminal doesn't close but at least Icedove isn't attached to it, so I can close the terminal manually. Le 30/11/2011 17:25, Iuri Guilherme dos Santos Martins a écrit : Well, the example i gave you opens another terminal (xterm) and opens icedove without closing the first terminal nor the second (assuming that you was using xterm in the first place). If you want the terminal to be closed, you may use: echo exit > xterm -e `icedove &` & (if you want the xterm you use to open icedove closes) But Icedove still stays attached to the first terminal... I know it would be just simpler to write everything as a shell script directly, but I'm unfamiliar with the language, whereas I have some experience in Lua. Thanks to both, Paul
Re: Detach Icedove from xterm itself called from terminal.
Well, the example i gave you opens another terminal (xterm) and opens icedove without closing the first terminal nor the second (assuming that you was using xterm in the first place). If you want the terminal to be closed, you may use: echo exit > xterm -e `icedove &` & (if you want the xterm you use to open icedove closes) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4ed65909.4040...@gmail.com
Re: Re: Detach Icedove from xterm itself called from terminal.
Paul Isambert wrote: > Thanks Clive for your help. Unfortunately Icedove stays attached to the > uppermost terminal (which I want to close too, perhaps that wasn't > clear). Even with the simplest form: > > bash --rcfile <(echo icedove \&) > > when I close the terminal, it closes Icedove. > > But at least I have learnt something! and in reply to Iuri Guilherme dos Santos Martins, Paul Isambert wrote: > Thank you Iuri, but the terminal still stays open. > > What I want to do is the following: I have a Lua script which lets me > selects programs, then calls them with "os.execute()", and the > terminal where the Lua script runs closes too. Only with Icedove it > stays attached, so I'm trying very hard to detach it so the terminal can > close. Hi Paul, I've obviously misunderstood your intention (I thought you wanted to keep the second (and possibly the first) terminal open at an interactive prompt). It looks easier now. I don't know anything about Lua, but searching around suggests that os.execute executes its command in a shell, not directly. In that case you should be able to use a command like icedove & but if that causes icedove to be closed immediately, you could try nohup icedove & Note I can't test any of this because I don't have LUA installed. I hope this helps. Otherwise I'm out of ideas. -- Cheers, Clive -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2030160216.ga18...@rimmer.esmertec.com
Re: Detach Icedove from xterm itself called from terminal.
Le 30/11/2011 15:52, Iuri Guilherme dos Santos Martins a écrit : I did not understand what you wanted, but i guess `xterm -e `icedove &` ` is close to the command you are looking for. The `` are used by bash to open a sub shell. (Assuming you are using bash). Thank you Iuri, but the terminal still stays open. What I want to do is the following: I have a Lua script which lets me selects programs, then calls them with "os.execute()", and the terminal where the Lua script runs closes too. Only with Icedove it stays attached, so I'm trying very hard to detach it so the terminal can close. Best, Paul
Re: Detach Icedove from xterm itself called from terminal.
I did not understand what you wanted, but i guess `xterm -e `icedove &` ` is close to the command you are looking for. The `` are used by bash to open a sub shell. (Assuming you are using bash). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4ed64341.9030...@gmail.com
Re: Detach Icedove from xterm itself called from terminal.
Le 30/11/2011 14:29, Clive Standbridge a écrit : Paul Isambert wrote: Hello there, When started from gnome-terminal, Icedove stays attached to it. I can detach it by executing "icedove&". The problem is, I can't seem to do that recursively, i.e. from the terminal call another terminal which calls "icedove&". The following works: "xterm -e 'icedove'" (with Icedove attached to xterm), but "xterm -e 'icedove&'" doesn't (xterm starts and closes immediately). Any idea? Hi Paul, First, about the error. Given the -e option, xterm runs the next argument instead of the shell that it would run by default. So it's trying to run an executable called 'icedove&', can't find it, and exits. The '&' is shell syntax; you need to run a shell in the xterm. The shell would need to both run the icedove command in the background, and produce an interactive prompt. I don't know if there is a straightforward way of doing that. The best I can think of is xterm -e bash --rcfile<(echo icedove \&) or if you want the usual initialisation files to run, you could do xterm -e bash --rcfile<(cat /etc/bash.bashrc ~/.bashrc; echo icedove \&) or use a dedicated rcfile: xterm -e bash --rcfile ~/.my-icedove-rcfile where ~/.my-icedove-rcfile contains . /etc/bash.bashrc . ~/.bashrc icedove& There are a couple of things I haven't figured out: This does not to allow you to bring the icedove to the foreground. Nor does it seem to show stdout/stderr from icedove in the xterm, which I guess you want. Thanks Clive for your help. Unfortunately Icedove stays attached to the uppermost terminal (which I want to close too, perhaps that wasn't clear). Even with the simplest form: bash --rcfile <(echo icedove \&) when I close the terminal, it closes Icedove. But at least I have learnt something! Best, Paul -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4ed63e54.9070...@free.fr
Re: Detach Icedove from xterm itself called from terminal.
Paul Isambert wrote: > Hello there, > > > When started from gnome-terminal, Icedove stays attached to it. I can > detach it by executing "icedove &". The problem is, I can't seem to do > that recursively, i.e. from the terminal call another terminal which > calls "icedove &". The following works: "xterm -e 'icedove'" (with > Icedove attached to xterm), but "xterm -e 'icedove &'" doesn't (xterm > starts and closes immediately). > > Any idea? Hi Paul, First, about the error. Given the -e option, xterm runs the next argument instead of the shell that it would run by default. So it's trying to run an executable called 'icedove &', can't find it, and exits. The '&' is shell syntax; you need to run a shell in the xterm. The shell would need to both run the icedove command in the background, and produce an interactive prompt. I don't know if there is a straightforward way of doing that. The best I can think of is xterm -e bash --rcfile <(echo icedove \&) or if you want the usual initialisation files to run, you could do xterm -e bash --rcfile <(cat /etc/bash.bashrc ~/.bashrc; echo icedove \&) or use a dedicated rcfile: xterm -e bash --rcfile ~/.my-icedove-rcfile where ~/.my-icedove-rcfile contains . /etc/bash.bashrc . ~/.bashrc icedove & There are a couple of things I haven't figured out: This does not to allow you to bring the icedove to the foreground. Nor does it seem to show stdout/stderr from icedove in the xterm, which I guess you want. Hopefully someone will provide a better answer. -- Cheers, Clive -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2030132934.ga9...@rimmer.esmertec.com
Detach Icedove from xterm itself called from terminal.
Hello there, When started from gnome-terminal, Icedove stays attached to it. I can detach it by executing "icedove &". The problem is, I can't seem to do that recursively, i.e. from the terminal call another terminal which calls "icedove &". The following works: "xterm -e 'icedove'" (with Icedove attached to xterm), but "xterm -e 'icedove &'" doesn't (xterm starts and closes immediately). Any idea? Best, Paul -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4ed60166.5040...@free.fr
