Re: Difference between Gnome and Debian menus. Why ?
On Wed, Dec 22, 2004 at 06:05:54PM -0200, Rogério Brito wrote: On Dec 22 2004, William Ballard wrote: You could file a bug and request an option to have Debian's menu be *the* Gnome menu. Now, that would be a good thing, IMO. Seeing the applications separately isn't that intuitive for the new users that I've been using as guinea pigs for deploying Open Source Software. Absolutely. The debian menu system's menu should be the primary menu for all menu-carrying apps imho. Any arguments against it are usually complaints about the menu system which should be fixed, not ignored. Having two menus in KDE/GNOME vs. the rest of the world is too confusing. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Difference between Gnome and Debian menus. Why ?
On Thu, Dec 23, 2004 at 09:47:11AM +, Jon Dowland wrote: On Wed, Dec 22, 2004 at 06:05:54PM -0200, Rogério Brito wrote: On Dec 22 2004, William Ballard wrote: You could file a bug and request an option to have Debian's menu be *the* Gnome menu. Now, that would be a good thing, IMO. Seeing the applications separately isn't that intuitive for the new users that I've been using as guinea pigs for deploying Open Source Software. Absolutely. The debian menu system's menu should be the primary menu for all menu-carrying apps imho. Any arguments against it are usually complaints about the menu system which should be fixed, not ignored. Having two menus in KDE/GNOME vs. the rest of the world is too confusing. So, why not file the bug reports to request these changes? -- Jamin W. Collins To be nobody but yourself when the whole world is trying it's best night and day to make you everybody else is to fight the hardest battle any human being will fight. -- E.E. Cummings -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Difference between Gnome and Debian menus. Why ?
On Thu, Dec 23, 2004 at 11:38:27AM -0700, Jamin W. Collins wrote: On Thu, Dec 23, 2004 at 09:47:11AM +, Jon Dowland wrote: On Wed, Dec 22, 2004 at 06:05:54PM -0200, Rogério Brito wrote: On Dec 22 2004, William Ballard wrote: You could file a bug and request an option to have Debian's menu be *the* Gnome menu. Now, that would be a good thing, IMO. Seeing the applications separately isn't that intuitive for the new users that I've been using as guinea pigs for deploying Open Source Software. Absolutely. The debian menu system's menu should be the primary menu for all menu-carrying apps imho. Any arguments against it are usually complaints about the menu system which should be fixed, not ignored. Having two menus in KDE/GNOME vs. the rest of the world is too confusing. So, why not file the bug reports to request these changes? Oh no. Aside from reasons already stated, not all programs are listed under Gnome menu. Gnome menu is a nice addition but it is not yet substitute of Debian menu. Current set up is a good practical compromie. If you hate Debian menu for any reason, you can erase it by putting empty contents file in somewhere like /etc/menu with the program name as the file name. I do not care to do so though.
Re: Difference between Gnome and Debian menus. Why ?
On Thu, Dec 23, 2004 at 07:52:37PM +0100, Osamu Aoki wrote: On Thu, Dec 23, 2004 at 11:38:27AM -0700, Jamin W. Collins wrote: On Thu, Dec 23, 2004 at 09:47:11AM +, Jon Dowland wrote: On Wed, Dec 22, 2004 at 06:05:54PM -0200, Rogério Brito wrote: On Dec 22 2004, William Ballard wrote: You could file a bug and request an option to have Debian's menu be *the* Gnome menu. Now, that would be a good thing, IMO. Seeing the applications separately isn't that intuitive for the new users that I've been using as guinea pigs for deploying Open Source Software. Absolutely. The debian menu system's menu should be the primary menu for all menu-carrying apps imho. Any arguments against it are usually complaints about the menu system which should be fixed, not ignored. Having two menus in KDE/GNOME vs. the rest of the world is too confusing. So, why not file the bug reports to request these changes? Oh no. Aside from reasons already stated, not all programs are listed under Gnome menu. Gnome menu is a nice addition but it is not yet substitute of Debian menu. Perhaps I missed something but this didn't seem to be a suggestion to have the Gnome menu replace the Debian menu, but rather the Debian menu replace the Gnome menu. So, I don't see how your comment applies. Current set up is a good practical compromie. From a geek perspective yes. From an average user perspective, not really. It not very intuitive. Sure, once a user has had it explained to them, they know where to look, but I've seen a number that haven't found it initially. -- Jamin W. Collins This is the typical unix way of doing things: you string together lots of very specific tools to accomplish larger tasks. -- Vineet Kumar -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Difference between Gnome and Debian menus. Why ?
On Thu, Dec 23, 2004 at 11:38:27AM -0700, Jamin W. Collins wrote: On Thu, Dec 23, 2004 at 09:47:11AM +, Jon Dowland wrote: Absolutely. The debian menu system's menu should be the primary menu for all menu-carrying apps imho. Any arguments against it are usually complaints about the menu system which should be fixed, not ignored. Having two menus in KDE/GNOME vs. the rest of the world is too confusing. So, why not file the bug reports to request these changes? I am working up to it - I think such a bug has to be carefully phrased and the quality of most menu entries needs to be improved, which is a bit of an easier target short-term. I have filed quite a lot of menu-related bugs on a number of packages, mostly related to hints. I'd also love to have the menu system turn hints on by default :) http://bugs.debian.org/from:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bugs.debian.org/from:[EMAIL PROTECTED]archive=yes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Difference between Gnome and Debian menus. Why ?
Why are so many more applications listed under Gnome's-Applications-Debian menu that directly into Gnome-Applications ? For instance the installed k3b is only in the former list under Debian menu-Apps-System and not where I would have expected it Gnome-Applciations-Multimedia (for instance). TIA, Bob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Difference between Gnome and Debian menus. Why ?
On Wed, Dec 22, 2004 at 07:39:45PM +0100, Bob Alexander wrote: Why are so many more applications listed under Gnome's-Applications-Debian menu that directly into Gnome-Applications ? The former uses Debian's menu system. The latter uses its own mechanism and makes its own decisions about what to include. You could file a bug and request an option to have Debian's menu be *the* Gnome menu. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Difference between Gnome and Debian menus. Why ?
On Dec 22 2004, William Ballard wrote: You could file a bug and request an option to have Debian's menu be *the* Gnome menu. Now, that would be a good thing, IMO. Seeing the applications separately isn't that intuitive for the new users that I've been using as guinea pigs for deploying Open Source Software. -- Learn to quote e-mails decently at: http://pub.tsn.dk/how-to-quote.php http://learn.to/quote http://www.xs4all.nl/~sbpoley/toppost.htm -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Difference between Gnome and Debian menus. Why ?
Rogério Brito wrote: On Dec 22 2004, William Ballard wrote: You could file a bug and request an option to have Debian's menu be *the* Gnome menu. Now, that would be a good thing, IMO. Seeing the applications separately isn't that intuitive for the new users that I've been using as guinea pigs for deploying Open Source Software. Except that those of us that do not use GNOME (WindowMaker, in my case) Only see the apps from the Debian menu system. That is, unless I bother to build my own entire menu heirarchy. Personally, I think it is fine the way it is. Besides, pretty much every app that has built-in GNOME integration already puts itself into the GNOME menu. -Roberto signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Difference between Gnome and Debian menus. Why ?
On Wed, Dec 22, 2004 at 03:48:33PM -0500 or thereabouts, Roberto Sanchez wrote: Except that those of us that do not use GNOME (WindowMaker, in my case) Only see the apps from the Debian menu system. That is, unless I bother to build my own entire menu heirarchy. Personally, I think it is fine the way it is. Besides, pretty much every app that has built-in GNOME integration already puts itself into the GNOME menu. -Roberto I think he means (optionally) replacing the GNOME menu with the Debian menu; that would save having two separate menu heirarchies. Anyone who doesn't use GNOME would be unaffected. -- -Benjamin Matthew A'Lee Termisoc Secretary: http://www.termisoc.org/ Home Page: http://benalee.co.uk/ Public Key: BEC9DC1A The right to bear arms is only slightly less silly than the right to arm bears. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Difference between Gnome and Debian menus. Why ?
On Dec 22 2004, Benjamin A'Lee wrote: I think he means (optionally) replacing the GNOME menu with the Debian menu; that would save having two separate menu heirarchies. I meant exactly that. Anyone who doesn't use GNOME would be unaffected. Exactly, I personally use fluxbox (it's something that won't make my unfortunately old computer slow to a crawl). I would expect the integration not to interfere with the (already) nice way of maintaining menus for other desktop environments and window managers. I hope that it is clear now. Cheers, Rogério. -- Learn to quote e-mails decently at: http://pub.tsn.dk/how-to-quote.php http://learn.to/quote http://www.xs4all.nl/~sbpoley/toppost.htm -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Difference between Gnome and Debian menus. Why ?
Rogério Brito wrote: On Dec 22 2004, Benjamin A'Lee wrote: I think he means (optionally) replacing the GNOME menu with the Debian menu; that would save having two separate menu heirarchies. I meant exactly that. Anyone who doesn't use GNOME would be unaffected. Exactly, I personally use fluxbox (it's something that won't make my unfortunately old computer slow to a crawl). I would expect the integration not to interfere with the (already) nice way of maintaining menus for other desktop environments and window managers. I hope that it is clear now. All clear. Sorry for the misunderstanding. -Roberto signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
