Re: [dspoon@satx.rr.com: Re: Does Netscape cause lockups?]
My Netscape, woody, 2.2.19 kernel, locks up similarly when the window to confirm cookies pops up and I have any of the bookmark folders opened. I've come to expect it and I still forget. bob On Saturday 17 November 2001 01:04 pm, Anthony Campbell wrote: > Yes, I've had Netscape lockup just itself too in the past. This is > something new: no keys work, and nor does the mouse. I shall have to > write down everything that is running each time it happens (if I can > remember) to try work out what is causing it. > > Anthony > > Anthony Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm still desperately seeking the cause of intermittent total lockups > > which occur every few days, always when I'm online. I think, but not > > sure, that Netscape (4.77) has always been running at these times. > > Kernel 2.4.13ac at present. > > > > Has anyone seen this? > > > > Anthony > > I use Netscape 477, and have moderately frequent lockups of Netscape > ONLY on the several machines I have around the houseabout 1 per week > per machine. Other programs usually still work, i.e. Terminal screens, > etc. My kernel is the latest 2.2.19 "stock" Debian version. I have > never experienced a total machine "hard" lockup. > > I can usually recover by killing the Netscape process and removing the > lock file in ~.netscape directory. Occasionally I will get several > Netscape processes running, and have to kill them all. > > I have not found a reason for this behavior, nor any solution other than > the above. > > Cheers, > -Don Spoon- > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Yes, I've had Netscape lockup just itself too in the past. This is something new: no keys work, and nor does the mouse. I shall have to write down everything that is running each time it happens (if I can remember) to try work out what is causing it. Anthony -- Anthony Campbell - running Linux Debian 2.2 (Windows-free zone) Over 100 book reviews: http://www.cix.co.uk/~acampbell/bookreviews/ Skeptical essays: http://www.cix.co.uk/~acampbell/freethinker/ "Palo y tente tieso." (Spanish proverb) Free translation: "Holdfast is your only dog." --- Begin Message --- Anthony Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I'm still desperately seeking the cause of intermittent total lockups > which occur every few days, always when I'm online. I think, but not > sure, that Netscape (4.77) has always been running at these times. > Kernel 2.4.13ac at present. > > Has anyone seen this? > > Anthony I use Netscape 477, and have moderately frequent lockups of Netscape ONLY on the several machines I have around the houseabout 1 per week per machine. Other programs usually still work, i.e. Terminal screens, etc. My kernel is the latest 2.2.19 "stock" Debian version. I have never experienced a total machine "hard" lockup. I can usually recover by killing the Netscape process and removing the lock file in ~.netscape directory. Occasionally I will get several Netscape processes running, and have to kill them all. I have not found a reason for this behavior, nor any solution other than the above. Cheers, -Don Spoon- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- End Message ---
Re: Does Netscape cause lockups?
on Sat, Nov 17, 2001 at 08:47:51AM +1100, Steve Kieu ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > better off with a 3.x version of it, or one of the > > other browsers > > mentioned. > > Where can I find this vesion, is it archived > somewhere? There's an "archives" tree somewhere in the Netscape or web archive. Go hunt for it. I'd recommend a free browser over older Netscape, as the former will be actively developed. Try BrowseX. Peace. -- Karsten M. Selfhttp://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? Home of the brave http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ Land of the free Free Dmitry! Boycott Adobe! Repeal the DMCA! http://www.freesklyarov.org Geek for Hire http://kmself.home.netcom.com/resume.html pgpuH2it5Fmg1.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Does Netscape cause lockups?
Steve Kieu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > better off with a 3.x version of it, or one of the > > other browsers > > mentioned. > > Where can I find this vesion, is it archived > somewhere? I'd assume it's in an older debian distro, which can be found at ftp://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/ though it's down atm. -- Brian Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Does Netscape cause lockups?
> better off with a 3.x version of it, or one of the > other browsers > mentioned. Where can I find this vesion, is it archived somewhere? > Peace. > > -- > Karsten M. Self > http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ > What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? > Home of the brave > http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ > Land of the free >Free Dmitry! Boycott Adobe! Repeal the DMCA! > http://www.freesklyarov.org > Geek for Hire > http://kmself.home.netcom.com/resume.html > > ATTACHMENT part 2 application/pgp-signature = S.KIEU http://shopping.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Shopping - Get organised for Christmas early this year!
Re: Does Netscape cause lockups?
On Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 09:38:36PM +1100, Steve Kieu wrote: > Frankly, there are some features the I did not find in > any browser *yet* except opera. Put aside its > commercial crap, just look at its features, multi > windows , easy search tool and its rendering speed, I couldn't agree more. It was just yesterday after months of frustration that I deleted both Netscape and Mozilla. Both have given me enough headaches - and that on a Celeron 466 with 256 MB of RAM. Opera is faster and never locks up. If I want to just read something off the net I mostly use lynx or links. Netscape was good until 3.0. After that it has degenerated into crap. Sam -- (Sam Varghese) http://www.gnubies.com
Re: Does Netscape cause lockups?
Christoph Simon said: > resolve. The same is happening with Mozilla, more frequently on > specially brain-dead sites. Another possible cause, in my case at > least, might be some secret external influence (bad/irregular > energy supply, temporary heat, electromagnetic fields, etc.? > causing > sometimes even to burn the powersupply of a hub) which I haven't > been able to identify in a year. So, sorry, this is rather just a quite possible. i haven't run a machine without a UPS since 1995. my UPS of choice currently is the low cost, Cyberpower 900AVR(500watt) runs about $130 on outpost.com has a good runtime. i have about 9 UPSs in my apt powering everything from my servers to my monitors to my tv/vcr/tivo to my cordless phone .. nate
Re: Does Netscape cause lockups?
Anthony Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I'm still desperately seeking the cause of intermittent total lockups > which occur every few days, always when I'm online. I think, but not > sure, that Netscape (4.77) has always been running at these times. > Kernel 2.4.13ac at present. > > Has anyone seen this? > > Anthony I use Netscape 477, and have moderately frequent lockups of Netscape ONLY on the several machines I have around the houseabout 1 per week per machine. Other programs usually still work, i.e. Terminal screens, etc. My kernel is the latest 2.2.19 "stock" Debian version. I have never experienced a total machine "hard" lockup. I can usually recover by killing the Netscape process and removing the lock file in ~.netscape directory. Occasionally I will get several Netscape processes running, and have to kill them all. I have not found a reason for this behavior, nor any solution other than the above. Cheers, -Don Spoon-
Re: Does Netscape cause lockups?
On Fri, 16 Nov 2001 02:30:45 -0800 (PST) "nate" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Anthony Campbell said: > > I'm still desperately seeking the cause of intermittent total > > lockups which occur every few days, always when I'm online. I > > think, but not sure, that Netscape (4.77) has always been running > > at these times. Kernel 2.4.13ac at present. > > > > Has anyone seen this? > > i haven't. ive never had netscape bring down a unix OS. ive > used it on half a dozen different unix platforms. i have > had it lock up and i would have to kill it. i don't think > ive ever had it adversely affect X itself either. ive been > running it everyday(4.x) on linux/unix for quite a while. > > id be more inclined to blame the kernel. i personally wont > touch a 2.4 kernel till sometime late next year(i was > planning on testing at the end of this year but with all > the recent VM talk its made me decide to push back another > year). its no secret that netscape is a memory hog ..all > of my serious machines have at least 512mb ram. some have > 768 or 1GB. I did and still see lots of lockups, two dozens a day on some 40 machines. It doesn't seem to be kernel related, as I observe them with any kernel from 2.2 on. Most of the time it seems that java is envolved. Actually, I believe, these are not really lockups but just exponentially growing CPU loads. I can save the machine if I catch it at times and kill the growing process. I'm using ulimit, which helped a lot (I have somewhat more time trying to catch it), but didn't resolve. The same is happening with Mozilla, more frequently on specially brain-dead sites. Another possible cause, in my case at least, might be some secret external influence (bad/irregular energy supply, temporary heat, electromagnetic fields, etc.? causing sometimes even to burn the powersupply of a hub) which I haven't been able to identify in a year. So, sorry, this is rather just a ``Me Too''. -- Christoph Simon [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- ^X^C q quit :q ^C end x exit ZZ ^D ? help .
Re: Does Netscape cause lockups?
on Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 01:54:16AM -0800, Brian Nelson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Steve Kieu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > My god, Mozilla is fine if you got 128Mb RAM and at > > least 200MHz CPU. If less than that, I would recommend > > Opera, althouth some buggy in file upload and no java > > support, but it is fine. Opera will add and fix soon I > > hope. Another one should be Galeon, promising > > Right, and *nobody* these days has 128MB and a 200MHz CPU these days. > Get real. Opera is non-free commercial crap. In the unlikely event > you're trying to use a web browser on an under-powered machine, you'd > be better off using w3m/lynx/skipstone/etc... ...or dillo, or browsex, a very lightweight, but featureful, browser. One of my systems is a PPro 180. Mozilla, Galeon, and Skipstone are too heavy for it. Netscape 4.x is an inexcuseable piece of crap. You're better off with a 3.x version of it, or one of the other browsers mentioned. Peace. -- Karsten M. Selfhttp://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? Home of the brave http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ Land of the free Free Dmitry! Boycott Adobe! Repeal the DMCA! http://www.freesklyarov.org Geek for Hire http://kmself.home.netcom.com/resume.html pgp5hb8ezp3lI.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Does Netscape cause lockups?
=?iso-8859-1?q?Steve=20Kieu?= said: > My god, Mozilla is fine if you got 128Mb RAM and at > least 200MHz CPU. If less than that, I would recommend > Opera, althouth some buggy in file upload and no java > support, but it is fine. Opera will add and fix soon I > hope. Another one should be Galeon, promising hope your patient. my last communication with opera support said they have no date set for a new version of opera/linux. i am an opera supporter though i use it on a regular basis on all of my machines(see previous post for info on that ..) nate
Re: Does Netscape cause lockups?
=?iso-8859-1?q?Steve=20Kieu?= said: > Frankly, there are some features the I did not find in > any browser *yet* except opera. Put aside its > commercial crap, just look at its features, multi > windows , easy search tool and its rendering speed, > what do you think? well, I still use it mainly in my > 128 Mb ram box, just switch to mozilla when I need to > view some Unicode pages.. . I got another a rxvt > running micq which I resize and set on top at the > add-area (shh..dont tell opera people :-)) so I dont > have to look at the add all the time which remind me > its commercial... i use opera on about 5 different machines 1.3Ghz Athlon 768MB ram P3-733Mhz 512MB ram P3-700Mhz 256MB ram (laptop) Sun Ultra 1 167Mhz 512MB ram P3-800Mhz 1024MB ram it runs good. i like it. i paid for 2 copies. worth it. there are some sites it doesnt work on, e.g. it can't do HTTPS uploads and it can't keep session on some web apps i use, so i switch to netscape 4.76 for that. i think its a great browser. a big plus is its statically linked with qt so i dont have to have all kinds of support packages installed to go with it. and the auto recovery feature is good, i can close it and re open it (or if it crashes) it can re open all the urls i was just at. fast too ...! just as good on an overpowered machine as an underpowered one. nate (writing this mail using Squirrelmail! 1.0.2rc2 through opera 5.0/linux)
Re: Does Netscape cause lockups?
> Right, and *nobody* these days has 128MB and a > 200MHz CPU these days. I still have one box 20mb ram and one 128 :-); > Get real. Opera is non-free commercial crap. In > the unlikely event i agree ; but for those not enough money to buy more ram or utilize old machine... Frankly, there are some features the I did not find in any browser *yet* except opera. Put aside its commercial crap, just look at its features, multi windows , easy search tool and its rendering speed, what do you think? well, I still use it mainly in my 128 Mb ram box, just switch to mozilla when I need to view some Unicode pages.. . I got another a rxvt running micq which I resize and set on top at the add-area (shh..dont tell opera people :-)) so I dont have to look at the add all the time which remind me its commercial... > you're trying to use a web browser on an > under-powered machine, you'd > be better off using w3m/lynx/skipstone/etc... > -- > Brian Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > = S.KIEU http://shopping.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Shopping - Get organised for Christmas early this year!
Re: Does Netscape cause lockups?
Craig Dickson said: > This has not happened to me since switching to Mozilla, a far > superior browser in every respect (well, starting with 0.9.4, at > least). without roaming access i won't be switching away from netscape 4.7x anytime soon(though i do use opera a lot on the side) im !$#@ pissed that AOL hasnt released a version of netscape that supports roaming, i heard a year or 2 ago they were planning on a 'corporate' edition which i expected would include this feature, but looking at netscape 6.2 it still doesn't have it, and last time i looked at mozilla it didn't have it either:( ive been using roaming access to keep bookmarks synced with a central server automatically for almost 3 years now.. (apache's mod_roaming) there are shellscripts for opera to sync with a roaming server(crude but its suposed to work) last time i tried them they didn't work though. so whenever i add a bookmark i add it in both places..or add it in netscape and re import netscape's into opera. nate
Re: Does Netscape cause lockups?
Anthony Campbell said: > I'm still desperately seeking the cause of intermittent total > lockups which occur every few days, always when I'm online. I > think, but not sure, that Netscape (4.77) has always been running > at these times. Kernel 2.4.13ac at present. > > Has anyone seen this? i haven't. ive never had netscape bring down a unix OS. ive used it on half a dozen different unix platforms. i have had it lock up and i would have to kill it. i don't think ive ever had it adversely affect X itself either. ive been running it everyday(4.x) on linux/unix for quite a while. id be more inclined to blame the kernel. i personally wont touch a 2.4 kernel till sometime late next year(i was planning on testing at the end of this year but with all the recent VM talk its made me decide to push back another year). its no secret that netscape is a memory hog ..all of my serious machines have at least 512mb ram. some have 768 or 1GB. nate
Re: Does Netscape cause lockups?
Steve Kieu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > My god, Mozilla is fine if you got 128Mb RAM and at > least 200MHz CPU. If less than that, I would recommend > Opera, althouth some buggy in file upload and no java > support, but it is fine. Opera will add and fix soon I > hope. Another one should be Galeon, promising Right, and *nobody* these days has 128MB and a 200MHz CPU these days. Get real. Opera is non-free commercial crap. In the unlikely event you're trying to use a web browser on an under-powered machine, you'd be better off using w3m/lynx/skipstone/etc... -- Brian Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Does Netscape cause lockups?
--- Craig Dickson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Anthony Campbell wrote: > > > I'm still desperately seeking the cause of > intermittent total lockups > > which occur every few days, always when I'm > online. I think, but not > > sure, that Netscape (4.77) has always been > running at these times. > > Kernel 2.4.13ac at present. > > > > Has anyone seen this? > > Does your hard disk light start flashing constantly > when this happens? > What I used to see with Netscape 4.x was that if I > entered too much text > in an editor widget in a web form, Netscape would > freak out and the yeah memory leak it is the libxpm (netscape likes old version) + kernel VM + Netscape all together :-) > whole system would thrash itself to death. I don't > recall what kernel > I was running back then, but it was probably in the > 2.2 series. > > This has not happened to me since switching to > Mozilla, a far superior > browser in every respect (well, starting with 0.9.4, > at least). My god, Mozilla is fine if you got 128Mb RAM and at least 200MHz CPU. If less than that, I would recommend Opera, althouth some buggy in file upload and no java support, but it is fine. Opera will add and fix soon I hope. Another one should be Galeon, promising > Craig > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > = S.KIEU http://shopping.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Shopping - Get organised for Christmas early this year!
Re: Does Netscape cause lockups?
Anthony Campbell wrote: > I'm still desperately seeking the cause of intermittent total lockups > which occur every few days, always when I'm online. I think, but not > sure, that Netscape (4.77) has always been running at these times. > Kernel 2.4.13ac at present. > > Has anyone seen this? Does your hard disk light start flashing constantly when this happens? What I used to see with Netscape 4.x was that if I entered too much text in an editor widget in a web form, Netscape would freak out and the whole system would thrash itself to death. I don't recall what kernel I was running back then, but it was probably in the 2.2 series. This has not happened to me since switching to Mozilla, a far superior browser in every respect (well, starting with 0.9.4, at least). Craig
Does Netscape cause lockups?
I'm still desperately seeking the cause of intermittent total lockups which occur every few days, always when I'm online. I think, but not sure, that Netscape (4.77) has always been running at these times. Kernel 2.4.13ac at present. Has anyone seen this? Anthony -- Anthony Campbell - running Linux GNU/Debian (Windows-free zone) For an electronic book (The Assassins of Alamut), skeptical essays, and over 140 book reviews, go to: http://www.acampbell.org.uk/ Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark. In our obscurity, in all this vastness, there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves. [Carl Sagan]
