Re: Does "apt-get dist-upgrade" upgrade the kernel?

[Camaleón]

On Sun, 08 May 2011 13:02:18 -0600, Paul E Condon wrote:

> On 20110508_095510, Camaleón wrote:

(...)

>> > Whether one of these packages is installed by default depends on how
>> > you installed that particular machine (example: it might not be
>> > installed in expert mode since AFAIR you get a specific question
>> > about which kernel package to install).
>> 
>> I always use the expert installer so that can be the reason I didn't
>> have the meta-package installed by default.
> 
> 
> I always use the expert installer and I always have the meta-package
> installed, Expert mode, for me, always presents a screen for selection
> of a kernel package with the meta-package highlighted. 

Thanks for pointing this, I'll check out the next time I make an 
install :-)

This installation was done over 6 (or more) months ago using a squeeze 
weekly snapshot so maybe something has changed since that. I say this 
because I've also noticed that in all of the systems where I have lenny 
installed there is no kernel meta-package at all, just the kernel package 
itself :-?

> But I also always use aptitude, and I'm not yet convinced that aptitude
> and apt-get always do the same thing.

In this case both tools were showing consistent results.

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Re: Does "apt-get dist-upgrade" upgrade the kernel?

[Andrei Popescu]

On Du, 08 mai 11, 17:56:41, Camaleón wrote:
> 
> Hum... then as Boyd also said (@Boyd, thanks for the explanation), can we 
> conclude that _only_ a kernel meta-package will be able to perform the 
> automatic upgrade to the latest version available?

Well, "only" is a bit strong here, but given the current features and 
limitations of APT the answer is "yes" ;)

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Re: Does "apt-get dist-upgrade" upgrade the kernel?

[Paul E Condon]

On 20110508_095510, Camaleón wrote:
> On Sun, 08 May 2011 11:21:07 +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> 
> > On Sb, 07 mai 11, 16:18:53, Camaleón wrote:
> 
> >> I'm running wheezy and it's since weeks that I started wondering when a
> >> new kernel will come to testing :-)
> >> 
> >> root@debian:~# cat /etc/issue
> >> Debian GNU/Linux wheezy/sid \n \l
> >> 
> >> test@debian:~$ uname -r
> >> 2.6.32-5-686
> >> 
> >> Now (by purely chance) I realized that there is indeed a new kernel
> >> available in the repositories so that this means it was me making some
> >> kind of mistake.
> > 
> > You need either the package linux-image- or
> > linux-image-2.6- and a new kernel will be installed as soon as
> > the Kernel Team updates the dependencies of these packages.
> 
> Do I need "either" or do I need "both"? :-)
> 
> Curious is that, as I said before, it was installed it:
> 
> dpkg test@debian:~$ dpkg -l | grep linux-image
> ii  linux-image-2.6.32-5-686  2.6.32-31 Linux 
> 2.6.32 for modern PCs
> 
> But the updated kernel was not showing to me as "available" until I manually 
> pulled the meta-package ;-(
> 
> > Whether one of these packages is installed by default depends on how you
> > installed that particular machine (example: it might not be installed in
> > expert mode since AFAIR you get a specific question about which kernel
> > package to install).
> 
> I always use the expert installer so that can be the reason I didn't have 
> the meta-package installed by default.

Camaleón,

I always use the expert installer and I always have the meta-package
installed, Expert mode, for me, always presents a screen for selection
of a kernel package with the meta-package highlighted. But I also 
always use aptitude, and I'm not yet convinced that aptitude and apt-get
always do the same thing.

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Re: Does "apt-get dist-upgrade" upgrade the kernel?

[Camaleón]

On Sun, 08 May 2011 20:33:22 +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote:

> On Du, 08 mai 11, 17:13:38, Camaleón wrote:
>> 
>> Sure. I mean I already had the "linux-image-2.6.32-5-686" package
>> installed but "apt-get dist-upgrade" did not offer the latest version
>> available ("linux-image-2.6.38-2-686") so I had to manually install it.
> 
> (so I did understand it right after all)
> 
> But an older kernel image can not depend on a newer one (how would it
> know its future version?), that's why the meta-packages exist ;)

Hum... then as Boyd also said (@Boyd, thanks for the explanation), can we 
conclude that _only_ a kernel meta-package will be able to perform the 
automatic upgrade to the latest version available?

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Re: Does "apt-get dist-upgrade" upgrade the kernel?

[Dom]

On 08/05/11 18:13, Camaleón wrote:

On Sun, 08 May 2011 19:49:06 +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote:


On Du, 08 mai 11, 09:55:10, Camaleón wrote:



Curious is that, as I said before, it was installed it:

dpkg test@debian:~$ dpkg -l | grep linux-image ii
linux-image-2.6.32-5-686  2.6.32-31 Linux
2.6.32 for modern PCs

But the updated kernel was not showing to me as "available" until I
manually pulled the meta-package ;-(


I don't understand what you mean here, could you please rephrase a bit?


Sure. I mean I already had the "linux-image-2.6.32-5-686" package
installed but "apt-get dist-upgrade" did not offer the latest version
available ("linux-image-2.6.38-2-686") so I had to manually install it.


I think this is mostly because the different kernel versions are 
completely different packages, rather than a new version of the same 
package. This prevents your kernel getting upgraded if you don't wish it 
to. If you do wish to receive new kernels, then you install one of the 
meta-packages.


I had noticed that expert install (which I normally use) gives the 
option of a specific kernel, or the meta-package, but never gave that 
much thought before. I frequently change the kernel after installation, 
or compile a custom one for specific machines.


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Re: Does "apt-get dist-upgrade" upgrade the kernel?

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

In <201105081231.04151@iguanasuicide.net>, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
>In , Camaleón wrote:
>>On Sun, 08 May 2011 11:21:07 +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote:
>>> You need either the package linux-image- or
>>> linux-image-2.6- and a new kernel will be installed as soon as
>>> the Kernel Team updates the dependencies of these packages.
>>
>>Do I need "either" or do I need "both"? :-)
>>
>>Curious is that, as I said before, it was installed it:
>>
>>dpkg test@debian:~$ dpkg -l | grep linux-image
>>ii  linux-image-2.6.32-5-686  2.6.32-31 Linux
>>2.6.32 for modern PCs
>
>That's not the package Camaleón is talking about.  They mean "linux-
>image-2.6-686" or "linux-image-686".

I evidently lost the ability to read email quote marks last night. ;)

s/Camaleón/Andrei/g in my text above.
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Re: Does "apt-get dist-upgrade" upgrade the kernel?

[Andrei Popescu]

On Du, 08 mai 11, 17:13:38, Camaleón wrote:
> 
> Sure. I mean I already had the "linux-image-2.6.32-5-686" package 
> installed but "apt-get dist-upgrade" did not offer the latest version 
> available ("linux-image-2.6.38-2-686") so I had to manually install it.

(so I did understand it right after all)

But an older kernel image can not depend on a newer one (how would it 
know its future version?), that's why the meta-packages exist ;)

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Re: Does "apt-get dist-upgrade" upgrade the kernel?

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

In , Camaleón wrote:
>On Sun, 08 May 2011 11:21:07 +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote:
>> On Sb, 07 mai 11, 16:18:53, Camaleón wrote:
>>> I'm running wheezy and it's since weeks that I started wondering when a
>>> new kernel will come to testing :-)
>>> 
>>> Now (by purely chance) I realized that there is indeed a new kernel
>>> available in the repositories so that this means it was me making some
>>> kind of mistake.
>> 
>> You need either the package linux-image- or
>> linux-image-2.6- and a new kernel will be installed as soon as
>> the Kernel Team updates the dependencies of these packages.
>
>Do I need "either" or do I need "both"? :-)
>
>Curious is that, as I said before, it was installed it:
>
>dpkg test@debian:~$ dpkg -l | grep linux-image
>ii  linux-image-2.6.32-5-686  2.6.32-31 Linux
>2.6.32 for modern PCs

That's not the package Camaleón is talking about.  They mean "linux-
image-2.6-686" or "linux-image-686".

Dpkg doesn't allow two versions on the same package (name) to be installed at 
the same time.  So, when multiple versions of an upstream package support co-
installation (e.g. two ABI versions of a library), some part of the version is 
pulled into the package name.  So, "linux-image-2.6.32-5.686" is not just a 
different version, but also a different package name from "linux-
image-2.5.38-2-686".

When APT is doing a safe-upgrade or dist-upgrade it looks to install newer 
versions of the packages (names) that are already installed.  So, "linux-
image-2.6.32-5-686" will never be upgraded to "linux-image-2.6.38-2-686".

Instead this is handled through a specific type of meta-package.  "linux-
image-2.6-686" version "2.6.32-5" will depend on "linux-image-2.6.32-5-686" 
(any version) but "linux-image-2.6-686" version "2.6.38-2" will depend on 
"linux-image-2.6.38-2-686" (any version).  This is something APT's safe-
upgrade and dist-upgrade can handle, although they could be sometimes over-
aggressive with auto-removal so there's a default configuration to prevent 
that behavior.

So, install "linux-image-2.6-686" and you should be fine for a little while.

NB: In the name of package files (e.g. "linux-image-686_2.6.32-5.deb"), the 
name occurs first and is them separated from the version by an underscore 
('_').  It is perfectly legal for things that look like version numbers to 
occur in the package name and vice-versa.
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Re: Does "apt-get dist-upgrade" upgrade the kernel?

[Camaleón]

On Sun, 08 May 2011 19:49:06 +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote:

> On Du, 08 mai 11, 09:55:10, Camaleón wrote:

>> Curious is that, as I said before, it was installed it:
>> 
>> dpkg test@debian:~$ dpkg -l | grep linux-image ii 
>> linux-image-2.6.32-5-686  2.6.32-31 Linux
>> 2.6.32 for modern PCs
>> 
>> But the updated kernel was not showing to me as "available" until I
>> manually pulled the meta-package ;-(
> 
> I don't understand what you mean here, could you please rephrase a bit?

Sure. I mean I already had the "linux-image-2.6.32-5-686" package 
installed but "apt-get dist-upgrade" did not offer the latest version 
available ("linux-image-2.6.38-2-686") so I had to manually install it.

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Re: Does "apt-get dist-upgrade" upgrade the kernel?

[Andrei Popescu]

On Du, 08 mai 11, 09:55:10, Camaleón wrote:
> > 
> > You need either the package linux-image- or
> > linux-image-2.6- and a new kernel will be installed as soon as
> > the Kernel Team updates the dependencies of these packages.
> 
> Do I need "either" or do I need "both"? :-)

I did say "either", unless you expect to run any non-2.6 Linux kernel 
soon ;)
 
> Curious is that, as I said before, it was installed it:
> 
> dpkg test@debian:~$ dpkg -l | grep linux-image
> ii  linux-image-2.6.32-5-686  2.6.32-31 Linux 
> 2.6.32 for modern PCs
> 
> But the updated kernel was not showing to me as "available" until I manually 
> pulled the meta-package ;-(

I don't understand what you mean here, could you please rephrase a bit?

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Re: Does "apt-get dist-upgrade" upgrade the kernel?

[KS]

On 07/05/11 09:36 PM, KS wrote:
> 
> However, I did an update just around the time I saw the reply and apt is
> not able to find the 2.6.38-2-686-bigmem (for for that matter 2.6.38-2)
> either! It exists on packages.debian.org though.
> 

Must have been an issue with the mirrors as apt was getting hash sum
mismatch last night. The packages were there in the list in the morning.

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Re: Does "apt-get dist-upgrade" upgrade the kernel?

[Camaleón]

On Sun, 08 May 2011 11:21:07 +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote:

> On Sb, 07 mai 11, 16:18:53, Camaleón wrote:

>> I'm running wheezy and it's since weeks that I started wondering when a
>> new kernel will come to testing :-)
>> 
>> root@debian:~# cat /etc/issue
>> Debian GNU/Linux wheezy/sid \n \l
>> 
>> test@debian:~$ uname -r
>> 2.6.32-5-686
>> 
>> Now (by purely chance) I realized that there is indeed a new kernel
>> available in the repositories so that this means it was me making some
>> kind of mistake.
> 
> You need either the package linux-image- or
> linux-image-2.6- and a new kernel will be installed as soon as
> the Kernel Team updates the dependencies of these packages.

Do I need "either" or do I need "both"? :-)

Curious is that, as I said before, it was installed it:

dpkg test@debian:~$ dpkg -l | grep linux-image
ii  linux-image-2.6.32-5-686  2.6.32-31 Linux 
2.6.32 for modern PCs

But the updated kernel was not showing to me as "available" until I manually 
pulled the meta-package ;-(

> Whether one of these packages is installed by default depends on how you
> installed that particular machine (example: it might not be installed in
> expert mode since AFAIR you get a specific question about which kernel
> package to install).

I always use the expert installer so that can be the reason I didn't have 
the meta-package installed by default.

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Re: Does "apt-get dist-upgrade" upgrade the kernel?

[Andrei Popescu]

On Sb, 07 mai 11, 16:18:53, Camaleón wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I'm running wheezy and it's since weeks that I started wondering when a 
> new kernel will come to testing :-)
> 
> root@debian:~# cat /etc/issue
> Debian GNU/Linux wheezy/sid \n \l
> 
> test@debian:~$ uname -r
> 2.6.32-5-686
> 
> Now (by purely chance) I realized that there is indeed a new kernel 
> available in the repositories so that this means it was me making some 
> kind of mistake. 

You need either the package linux-image- or 
linux-image-2.6- and a new kernel will be installed as soon as 
the Kernel Team updates the dependencies of these packages.

Whether one of these packages is installed by default depends on how you 
installed that particular machine (example: it might not be installed in 
expert mode since AFAIR you get a specific question about which kernel 
package to install).

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Re: Does "apt-get dist-upgrade" upgrade the kernel?

[KS]

On 07/05/11 08:11 PM, Jochen Schulz wrote:
> KS:
>>
>> Surprisingly, dpkg does not show 2.6.38 whereas apt says that it exists!
> 
> Dpkg doesn't know packages that were never installed. Apt does.
> 
> J.

Ah, didn't realize that.

However, I did an update just around the time I saw the reply and apt is
not able to find the 2.6.38-2-686-bigmem (for for that matter 2.6.38-2)
either! It exists on packages.debian.org though.

KS.

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nvidia-kernel-2.6.32-5-486 - NVIDIA binary kernel module for Linux
2.6.32-5-486
nvidia-kernel-2.6.32-5-686 - NVIDIA binary kernel module for Linux
2.6.32-5-686
nvidia-kernel-2.6.32-5-amd64 - NVIDIA binary kernel module for Linux
2.6.32-5-amd64
nvidia-kernel-2.6.32-5-vserver-686 - NVIDIA binary kernel module for
Linux 2.6.32-5-vserver-686
nvidia-kernel-2.6.32-5-vserver-686-bigmem - NVIDIA binary kernel module
for Linux 2.6.32-5-vserver-686-bigmem
nvidia-kernel-2.6.37-2-686-bigmem - NVIDIA binary kernel module for
Linux 2.6.37-2-686-bigmem
nvidia-kernel-2.6.32-5-686-bigmem - NVIDIA binary kernel module for
Linux 2.6.32-5-686-bigmem
linux-headers-2.6.37-2-486 - Header files for Linux 2.6.37-2-486
linux-image-2.6.37-2-686-bigmem - Linux 2.6.37 for PCs with 4GB+ RAM
linux-headers-2.6.37-2-686-bigmem - Header files for Linux
2.6.37-2-686-bigmem
nvidia-kernel-2.6.37-1-686-bigmem - NVIDIA binary kernel module for
Linux 2.6.37-1-686-bigmem
linux-image-2.6.37-2-686 - Linux 2.6.37 for modern PCs
alsa-base - ALSA driver configuration files


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Re: Re: Does "apt-get dist-upgrade" upgrade the kernel?

[Jochen Schulz]

KS:
> 
> Surprisingly, dpkg does not show 2.6.38 whereas apt says that it exists!

Dpkg doesn't know packages that were never installed. Apt does.

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Re: Re: Does "apt-get dist-upgrade" upgrade the kernel?

[KS]

> On 07/05/11 17:18, Camaleón wrote:
> 
> Do you have the linux-image-686 package installed? (I see you're
> using the 686 version) This package is a dummy package that depends
> on the latest kernel, currently linux-image-2.6.38-2-686. If you do,
> then apt-get dist-upgrade will install the new kernel when available
> (but it won't remove your old kernel).
> 
> Regards
> 
> -- Dom
> 

I have that setting on my sid box, but after reading this thread I
checked again. Below are the results of dpkg, apt-cache, and uname.
Surprisingly, dpkg does not show 2.6.38 whereas apt says that it exists!

dpkg -l linux-image*
Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
|
Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend
|/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
||/ Name  Version   Description
+++-=-=-==
un  linux-image   (no
description available)
un  linux-image-2.6   (no
description available)
un  linux-image-2.6-486   (no
description available)
un  linux-image-2.6-686   (no
description available)
un  linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem(no
description available)
un  linux-image-2.6-amd64 (no
description available)
un  linux-image-2.6-k7(no
description available)
un  linux-image-2.6-openvz-686(no
description available)
un  linux-image-2.6-vserver-686   (no
description available)
un  linux-image-2.6-vserver-686-b (no
description available)
un  linux-image-2.6-xen-686   (no
description available)
un  linux-image-2.6.32-5-686  (no
description available)
un  linux-image-2.6.32-5-686-bigm (no
description available)
un  linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-486  (no
description available)
rc  linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-686  2.6.32-5  Linux
2.6.32 for modern PCs
un  linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-686- (no
description available)
un  linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-amd6 (no
description available)
un  linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-vser (no
description available)
un  linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-vser (no
description available)
un  linux-image-2.6.37-1-686  (no
description available)
un  linux-image-2.6.37-1-686-bigm (no
description available)
ii  linux-image-2.6.37-2-686  2.6.37-2  Linux
2.6.37 for modern PCs
ii  linux-image-2.6.37-2-686-bigm 2.6.37-2  Linux
2.6.37 for PCs with 4GB+ RAM
un  linux-image-686-bigmem(no
description available)


$> apt-cache search linux-image
alsa-base - ALSA driver configuration files
linux-headers-2.6.38-2-486 - Header files for Linux 2.6.38-2-486
linux-headers-2.6.38-2-686 - Header files for Linux 2.6.38-2-686
linux-headers-2.6.38-2-686-bigmem - Header files for Linux
2.6.38-2-686-bigmem
linux-headers-2.6.38-2-amd64 - Header files for Linux 2.6.38-2-amd64
linux-image-2.6.38-2-486 - Linux 2.6.38 for old PCs
linux-image-2.6.38-2-686 - Linux 2.6.38 for modern PCs
linux-image-2.6.38-2-686-bigmem - Linux 2.6.38 for PCs with 4GB+ RAM
linux-image-2.6.38-2-686-bigmem-dbg - Debugging infos for Linux
2.6.38-2-686-bigmem
linux-image-2.6.38-2-amd64 - Linux 2.6.38 for 64-bit PCs
linux-image-2.6-486 - Linux 2.6 for old PCs (meta-package)
linux-image-2.6-686 - Linux 2.6 for modern PCs (meta-package)
linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem - Linux 2.6 for PCs with 4GB+ RAM (meta-package)
linux-image-2.6-amd64 - Linux 2.6 for 64-bit PCs (meta-package)
linux-image-486 - Linux for old PCs (meta-package)
linux-image-686 - Linux for modern PCs (meta-package)
linux-image-686-bigmem - Linux for PCs with 4GB+ RAM (meta-package)
linux-image-amd64 - Linux for 64-bit PCs (meta-package)
nvidia-kernel-2.6.32-5-486 - NVIDIA binary kernel module for Linux
2.6.32-5-486
nvidia-kernel-2.6.32-5-686 - NVIDIA binary kernel module for Linux
2.6.32-5-686
nvidia-kernel-2.6.32-5-amd64 - NVIDIA binary kernel module for Linux
2.6.32-5-amd64
nvidia-kernel-2.6.32-5-vserver-686 - NVIDIA binary kernel module for
Linux 2.6.32-5-vserver-686
nvidia-kernel-2.6.32-5-vserver-686-bigmem - NVIDIA binary kernel module
for Linux 2.6.32-5-vserver-686-bigmem
nvidia-kernel-2.6.37-2-686-bigmem - NVIDIA binary kernel module for
Linux 2.6.37-2-686-bigmem
nvidia-kernel-2.6.32-5-686-bigmem - NVIDIA binary kernel module for
Linux 2.6.32-5-686-bigmem
linux-headers-2.6.37-2-486 - Header files for Linux 2.6.37-2-486
linux-image-2.6.37-2-686-bigmem - Linux 2.6.37 for 

Re: Does "apt-get dist-upgrade" upgrade the kernel?

[Camaleón]

On Sat, 07 May 2011 17:59:53 +0100, Dom wrote:

> On 07/05/11 17:18, Camaleón wrote:

(...)

>> I use to upgrade the machine with this command:
>>
>> apt-get update&&  apt-get -V dist-upgrade
>>
>> Should I have been using another one that automatically triggered the
>> new kernel? Or is that kernel needs to be manually pulled? :-?
> 
> Do you have the linux-image-686 package installed? (I see you're using
> the 686 version) This package is a dummy package that depends on the
> latest kernel, currently linux-image-2.6.38-2-686. If you do, then
> apt-get dist-upgrade will install the new kernel when available (but it
> won't remove your old kernel).

Hum... nope, it's not installed:

dpkg test@debian:~$ dpkg -l | grep linux-image
ii  linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 2.6.32-31 
Linux 2.6.32 for modern PCs

The question is, shouldn't this have to be done automatically? 

Yes, I can now manually install the latest kernel (or the meta-package) 
but I'd have expected the dist-upgrade routine would have managed out by 
itself... well, as godo said, maybe this has been an exception but is not
the rule :-)

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Re: Does "apt-get dist-upgrade" upgrade the kernel?

[Siard]

Camaleón wrote:
> # aptitude safe-upgrade
> No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.
> 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not
> upgraded. Need to get 0 B of archives. After unpacking 0 B will be
> used.
> 
> Nothing to do? :-?

For a couple of days, a so-called 'hash tag mismatch' was reported when
updating in Wheezy (visible when trying to update in Synaptic), so
nothing was updated.
The problem seems to have gone now.


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Re: Does "apt-get dist-upgrade" upgrade the kernel?

[Dom]

On 07/05/11 17:18, Camaleón wrote:

Hello,

I'm running wheezy and it's since weeks that I started wondering when a
new kernel will come to testing :-)

root@debian:~# cat /etc/issue
Debian GNU/Linux wheezy/sid \n \l

test@debian:~$ uname -r
2.6.32-5-686

Now (by purely chance) I realized that there is indeed a new kernel
available in the repositories so that this means it was me making some
kind of mistake.

root@debian:~# apt-cache search linux-image

(snip list of packages)

linux-image-2.6-686 - Linux 2.6 for modern PCs (meta-package)
linux-image-686 - Linux for modern PCs (meta-package)

I use to upgrade the machine with this command:

apt-get update&&  apt-get -V dist-upgrade

Should I have been using another one that automatically triggered the new
kernel? Or is that kernel needs to be manually pulled? :-?


Do you have the linux-image-686 package installed? (I see you're using 
the 686 version) This package is a dummy package that depends on the 
latest kernel, currently linux-image-2.6.38-2-686. If you do, then 
apt-get dist-upgrade will install the new kernel when available (but it 
won't remove your old kernel).


Regards

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Re: Does "apt-get dist-upgrade" upgrade the kernel?

[Camaleón]

On Sat, 07 May 2011 17:24:33 +0100, AG wrote:

> On 07/05/11 17:18, Camaleón wrote:

>> I use to upgrade the machine with this command:
>>
>> apt-get update&&  apt-get -V dist-upgrade
>>
>> Should I have been using another one that automatically triggered the
>> new kernel? Or is that kernel needs to be manually pulled? :-?
>>
>>
> 
> FWIW, I only ever use either the "Update Manager" or aptitude
> safe-upgrade and it pulls in the kernel and headers as well as far as I
> can ascertain.

I get the same:

root@debian:~# aptitude safe-upgrade
No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.
0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 0 B of archives. After unpacking 0 B will be used.

Nothing to do? :-?

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Re: Does "apt-get dist-upgrade" upgrade the kernel?

[godo]

On 2011-05-07 18:18, Camaleón wrote:

Hello,

I'm running wheezy and it's since weeks that I started wondering when a
new kernel will come to testing :-)

root@debian:~# cat /etc/issue
Debian GNU/Linux wheezy/sid \n \l

test@debian:~$ uname -r
2.6.32-5-686

Now (by purely chance) I realized that there is indeed a new kernel
available in the repositories so that this means it was me making some
kind of mistake.

root@debian:~# apt-cache search linux-image
linux-headers-2.6.38-2-486 - Header files for Linux 2.6.38-2-486
linux-headers-2.6.38-2-686 - Header files for Linux 2.6.38-2-686
linux-headers-2.6.38-2-686-bigmem - Header files for Linux 2.6.38-2-686-bigmem
linux-headers-2.6.38-2-amd64 - Header files for Linux 2.6.38-2-amd64
linux-image-2.6.38-2-486 - Linux 2.6.38 for old PCs
linux-image-2.6.38-2-686 - Linux 2.6.38 for modern PCs
linux-image-2.6.38-2-686-bigmem - Linux 2.6.38 for PCs with 4GB+ RAM
linux-image-2.6.38-2-686-bigmem-dbg - Debugging infos for Linux 
2.6.38-2-686-bigmem
linux-image-2.6.38-2-amd64 - Linux 2.6.38 for 64-bit PCs
linux-image-2.6-486 - Linux 2.6 for old PCs (meta-package)
linux-image-2.6-686 - Linux 2.6 for modern PCs (meta-package)
linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem - Linux 2.6 for PCs with 4GB+ RAM (meta-package)
linux-image-2.6-amd64 - Linux 2.6 for 64-bit PCs (meta-package)
linux-image-486 - Linux for old PCs (meta-package)
linux-image-686 - Linux for modern PCs (meta-package)
linux-image-686-bigmem - Linux for PCs with 4GB+ RAM (meta-package)
linux-image-amd64 - Linux for 64-bit PCs (meta-package)
alsa-base - Archivos de configuración del controlador de ALSA
linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 - Linux 2.6.32 for modern PCs
linux-headers-2.6.32-5-686 - Header files for Linux 2.6.32-5-686

I use to upgrade the machine with this command:

apt-get update&&  apt-get -V dist-upgrade

Should I have been using another one that automatically triggered the new
kernel? Or is that kernel needs to be manually pulled? :-?

Greetings,


Hi,
whenever I power on my boxes firs I go in single user mod and apt-get 
update &&  apt-get dist-upgrade like you.

On my Wheezy box:
$ uname -r
2.6.38-2-686

I really doubt that I got it just because I was in single-user.
Maybe your box was just tired and made a small mistake? :-)

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Re: Does "apt-get dist-upgrade" upgrade the kernel?

[AG]

On 07/05/11 17:18, Camaleón wrote:

Hello,

I'm running wheezy and it's since weeks that I started wondering when a
new kernel will come to testing :-)







I use to upgrade the machine with this command:

apt-get update&&  apt-get -V dist-upgrade

Should I have been using another one that automatically triggered the new
kernel? Or is that kernel needs to be manually pulled? :-?



Camaleón

FWIW, I only ever use either the "Update Manager" or aptitude 
safe-upgrade and it pulls in the kernel and headers as well as far as I 
can ascertain.



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Does "apt-get dist-upgrade" upgrade the kernel?

[Camaleón]

Hello,

I'm running wheezy and it's since weeks that I started wondering when a 
new kernel will come to testing :-)

root@debian:~# cat /etc/issue
Debian GNU/Linux wheezy/sid \n \l

test@debian:~$ uname -r
2.6.32-5-686

Now (by purely chance) I realized that there is indeed a new kernel 
available in the repositories so that this means it was me making some 
kind of mistake. 

root@debian:~# apt-cache search linux-image
linux-headers-2.6.38-2-486 - Header files for Linux 2.6.38-2-486
linux-headers-2.6.38-2-686 - Header files for Linux 2.6.38-2-686
linux-headers-2.6.38-2-686-bigmem - Header files for Linux 2.6.38-2-686-bigmem
linux-headers-2.6.38-2-amd64 - Header files for Linux 2.6.38-2-amd64
linux-image-2.6.38-2-486 - Linux 2.6.38 for old PCs
linux-image-2.6.38-2-686 - Linux 2.6.38 for modern PCs
linux-image-2.6.38-2-686-bigmem - Linux 2.6.38 for PCs with 4GB+ RAM
linux-image-2.6.38-2-686-bigmem-dbg - Debugging infos for Linux 
2.6.38-2-686-bigmem
linux-image-2.6.38-2-amd64 - Linux 2.6.38 for 64-bit PCs
linux-image-2.6-486 - Linux 2.6 for old PCs (meta-package)
linux-image-2.6-686 - Linux 2.6 for modern PCs (meta-package)
linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem - Linux 2.6 for PCs with 4GB+ RAM (meta-package)
linux-image-2.6-amd64 - Linux 2.6 for 64-bit PCs (meta-package)
linux-image-486 - Linux for old PCs (meta-package)
linux-image-686 - Linux for modern PCs (meta-package)
linux-image-686-bigmem - Linux for PCs with 4GB+ RAM (meta-package)
linux-image-amd64 - Linux for 64-bit PCs (meta-package)
alsa-base - Archivos de configuración del controlador de ALSA
linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 - Linux 2.6.32 for modern PCs
linux-headers-2.6.32-5-686 - Header files for Linux 2.6.32-5-686

I use to upgrade the machine with this command:

apt-get update && apt-get -V dist-upgrade

Should I have been using another one that automatically triggered the new 
kernel? Or is that kernel needs to be manually pulled? :-?

Greetings,

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