Re: Downgrading Udev
On Sun, 10 Apr 2011 22:03:36 -0400 Johan Kullstam kullstj...@verizon.net wrote: Apologies for following up to myself, but I thought I should say that when I added /run myself the 2.6.38 kernel booted without problems. So... is this udev167-1 safe to upgrade to on Wheezy (base-files 6.1), or should I wait? You can safely upgrade both base-files and udev. Just make sure you delete the /run directory before any reboot. Hm, thanks for the concise info, but I wouldn't call that safe. I think I'll wait until this gets fixed, eventually. -- Andrej Kacian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110412213212.750f1aa4@penny
Re: Downgrading Udev
On 04/12/2011 03:32 PM, Andrej Kacian wrote: On Sun, 10 Apr 2011 22:03:36 -0400 Johan Kullstamkullstj...@verizon.net wrote: Apologies for following up to myself, but I thought I should say that when I added /run myself the 2.6.38 kernel booted without problems. So... is this udev167-1 safe to upgrade to on Wheezy (base-files 6.1), or should I wait? You can safely upgrade both base-files and udev. Just make sure you delete the /run directory before any reboot. Hm, thanks for the concise info, but I wouldn't call that safe. I think I'll wait until this gets fixed, eventually. FYI Sid daily upgrade installed udev 167-2 this morning. No /run dir was created when I restarted udev. base-files version is 6.3 which was upgraded on Apr 10. WT -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4da4ba9a.4090...@gmail.com
Re: Downgrading Udev
On Fri, 8 Apr 2011 11:44:17 +0100 Anthony Campbell a...@acampbell.org.uk wrote: On 08 Apr 2011, Anthony Campbell wrote: After an upgrade today to base-files 6.3 I rashly assume things would be fixed, but not so. My /run is no longer there but now the 2.6.38 kernels won't boot - they stop at the nouveau driver. Luckily I still had a 2.6.37 kernel which isn't affected. Anthony Apologies for following up to myself, but I thought I should say that when I added /run myself the 2.6.38 kernel booted without problems. So... is this udev167-1 safe to upgrade to on Wheezy (base-files 6.1), or should I wait? -- Andrej Kacian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110411014656.2663b696@penny
Re: Downgrading Udev
Andrej Kacian andrej+deb...@kacian.sk writes: On Fri, 8 Apr 2011 11:44:17 +0100 Anthony Campbell a...@acampbell.org.uk wrote: On 08 Apr 2011, Anthony Campbell wrote: After an upgrade today to base-files 6.3 I rashly assume things would be fixed, but not so. My /run is no longer there but now the 2.6.38 kernels won't boot - they stop at the nouveau driver. Luckily I still had a 2.6.37 kernel which isn't affected. Anthony Apologies for following up to myself, but I thought I should say that when I added /run myself the 2.6.38 kernel booted without problems. So... is this udev167-1 safe to upgrade to on Wheezy (base-files 6.1), or should I wait? You can safely upgrade both base-files and udev. Just make sure you delete the /run directory before any reboot. -- Johan KULLSTAM -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/874o65pmrr@emmy.axel.nom
Re: Downgrading Udev
On 06 Apr 2011, Benjamí Villoslada wrote: A Dimecres 06 Abril 2011 16:30:08, Wolodja Wentland va escriure: I assume that you are actually trying to fix a different bug, namely one introduced by the premature installation of base-files 6.2 which created the /run directory. The fastest fix is probably to just remove /run and be done with it. Yes, that is! Removing /run the system works fine again. I take note of snapshot.debian.org. Thanks to all, -- Benjamí http://blog.bitassa.cat After an upgrade today to base-files 6.3 I rashly assume things would be fixed, but not so. My /run is no longer there but now the 2.6.38 kernels won't boot - they stop at the nouveau driver. Luckily I still had a 2.6.37 kernel which isn't affected. Anthony -- Anthony Campbell - a...@acampbell.org.uk Microsoft-free zone - Using Debian GNU/Linux http://www.acampbell.org.uk - sample my ebooks at http://www.smashwords.com/profile/view/acampbell -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110408085807.ga2...@acampbell.org.uk
Re: Downgrading Udev
On 08 Apr 2011, Anthony Campbell wrote: After an upgrade today to base-files 6.3 I rashly assume things would be fixed, but not so. My /run is no longer there but now the 2.6.38 kernels won't boot - they stop at the nouveau driver. Luckily I still had a 2.6.37 kernel which isn't affected. Anthony Apologies for following up to myself, but I thought I should say that when I added /run myself the 2.6.38 kernel booted without problems. Anthony -- Anthony Campbell - a...@acampbell.org.uk Microsoft-free zone - Using Debian GNU/Linux http://www.acampbell.org.uk - sample my ebooks at http://www.smashwords.com/profile/view/acampbell -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110408104416.ga2...@acampbell.org.uk
Downgrading Udev
Last Udev version have an important error: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=621087 Where can I find and download the previous 166 version? Thanks! Regards, -- Benjamí http://blog.bitassa.cat -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/BANLkTink9=+mt66zeq+xstjy_pz454p...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Downgrading Udev
On 2011-04-06 16:13 +0200, Benjamí Villoslada wrote: Last Udev version have an important error: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=621087 Where can I find and download the previous 166 version? On snapshot.debian.org. Alternatively, you can rm -rf /run and restart udev. Sven -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87zko3o40n@turtle.gmx.de
Re: Downgrading Udev
On Wed, Apr 06, 2011 at 04:13:36PM +0200, Benjamí Villoslada wrote: Last Udev version have an important error: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=621087 Where can I find and download the previous 166 version? http://snapshot.debian.org/package/udev/166-1/ Note that downgrading base-files (which removes /run) will also do the same job: http://snapshot.debian.org/package/base-files/6.1/ Regards, Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : Debian GNU/Linux http://people.debian.org/~rleigh/ `. `' Printing on GNU/Linux? http://gutenprint.sourceforge.net/ `-GPG Public Key: 0x25BFB848 Please GPG sign your mail. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Downgrading Udev
On Wed, Apr 06, 2011 at 04:20:24PM +0200, Sven Joachim wrote: On 2011-04-06 16:13 +0200, Benjamí Villoslada wrote: Last Udev version have an important error: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=621087 Where can I find and download the previous 166 version? On snapshot.debian.org. Alternatively, you can rm -rf /run and restart udev. The downside to the latter is you need to remember to recreate it once udev is fixed, or your system will break again at a later date when things want to use /run! -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : Debian GNU/Linux http://people.debian.org/~rleigh/ `. `' Printing on GNU/Linux? http://gutenprint.sourceforge.net/ `-GPG Public Key: 0x25BFB848 Please GPG sign your mail. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Downgrading Udev
On Wed, Apr 06, 2011 at 16:13 +0200, Benjamí Villoslada wrote: Last Udev version have an important error: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=621087 Where can I find and download the previous 166 version? You can get them from: http://snapshot.debian.org/package/udev/166-1/ I assume that you are actually trying to fix a different bug, namely one introduced by the premature installation of base-files 6.2 which created the /run directory. The fastest fix is probably to just remove /run and be done with it. IMHO the best way to deal with this is to remove it *and* downgrade udev, libudev, libgudev-1.0-0 to 166-1 and base-files to 6.1. One might argue that only a downgrade of base-files to 6.1 and the removal of /run is needed though, but udev 167-1 is buggy in the sense that its init script fails to start udev if /run is present, but not writable. See #620995, #620191, #621036 and [0] for details. [0] http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2011/04/msg00353.html -- .''`. Wolodja Wentlandbabi...@gmail.com : :' : `. `'` 4096R/CAF14EFC `- 081C B7CD FF04 2BA9 94EA 36B2 8B7F 7D30 CAF1 4EFC signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Downgrading Udev
On Wed, Apr 06, 2011 at 15:20 +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: On Wed, Apr 06, 2011 at 04:13:36PM +0200, Benjamí Villoslada wrote: Last Udev version have an important error: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=621087 Where can I find and download the previous 166 version? http://snapshot.debian.org/package/udev/166-1/ Note that downgrading base-files (which removes /run) will also do the same job: http://snapshot.debian.org/package/base-files/6.1/ Just downgrading base-files to 6.1 did unfortunately not work for me because /run was not removed due to being not empty and I had to remove it manually. Good to see you here Roger. I handled the bug by downgrading udev, libudev, libgudev-1.0-0 to 166-1 and base-files to 6.1, but am not sure if that is actually the best way to deal with it. I guess that the underlying problem (initscripts) has to be solved first and that base-files 6.2 (6.3 / 6.2-1?) should have a versioned dependency on the not yet uploaded initscripts version. I am therefore unsure if a downgrade of udev is actually a good idea, advisable or necessary, but it seems to me as if the init script of udev is buggy in that it does not fall back to /dev if /run is not writable. What would be, in your opinion, to be the best way to deal with it? -- .''`. Wolodja Wentlandbabi...@gmail.com : :' : `. `'` 4096R/CAF14EFC `- 081C B7CD FF04 2BA9 94EA 36B2 8B7F 7D30 CAF1 4EFC signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Downgrading Udev
A Dimecres 06 Abril 2011 16:30:08, Wolodja Wentland va escriure: I assume that you are actually trying to fix a different bug, namely one introduced by the premature installation of base-files 6.2 which created the /run directory. The fastest fix is probably to just remove /run and be done with it. Yes, that is! Removing /run the system works fine again. I take note of snapshot.debian.org. Thanks to all, -- Benjamí http://blog.bitassa.cat -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201104061648.46203.benj...@gmail.com
Re: Downgrading Udev
On Wed, Apr 06, 2011 at 03:37:11PM +0100, Wolodja Wentland wrote: On Wed, Apr 06, 2011 at 15:20 +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: On Wed, Apr 06, 2011 at 04:13:36PM +0200, Benjamí Villoslada wrote: Last Udev version have an important error: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=621087 Where can I find and download the previous 166 version? http://snapshot.debian.org/package/udev/166-1/ Note that downgrading base-files (which removes /run) will also do the same job: http://snapshot.debian.org/package/base-files/6.1/ Just downgrading base-files to 6.1 did unfortunately not work for me because /run was not removed due to being not empty and I had to remove it manually. Good to see you here Roger. I handled the bug by downgrading udev, libudev, libgudev-1.0-0 to 166-1 and base-files to 6.1, but am not sure if that is actually the best way to deal with it. I guess that the underlying problem (initscripts) has to be solved first and that base-files 6.2 (6.3 / 6.2-1?) should have a versioned dependency on the not yet uploaded initscripts version. I am therefore unsure if a downgrade of udev is actually a good idea, advisable or necessary, but it seems to me as if the init script of udev is buggy in that it does not fall back to /dev if /run is not writable. What would be, in your opinion, to be the best way to deal with it? For the present, I think what you've done is fine. The real fault here is that the init script for udev is buggy, but this wan't triggered until the base-files update introduced /run. The solution is for udev to fix that bug, and then when initscripts is updated to set up /run correctly, udev can then add a versioned dependency on initscripts and start using /run. Hopefully this will be fixed quickly. It's just a matter of the udev maintainer uploading a fixed package which doesn't use /run, and then the initscripts maintainer uploading a package which sets up /run. Once that's done, we can all start using /run (with a versioned initscripts dependency, to allow squeeze→wheezy upgrades to work). Regards, Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : Debian GNU/Linux http://people.debian.org/~rleigh/ `. `' Printing on GNU/Linux? http://gutenprint.sourceforge.net/ `-GPG Public Key: 0x25BFB848 Please GPG sign your mail. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
