Re: Experimenting with Debian
On Tue, Apr 11, 2006 at 04:31:26PM +0100, Toby Satchell wrote: Hi, I am setting up a dual boot with debian and want to experiment with it as a desktop. I am wondering which would be the best version to go for, Stable, Testing , Unstable. I run Stable at the moment with for a server, but wondering if testing would be a better option for a desktop as I would also like to implement steam under wine(and the other one I can't remember at the moment) Can somebody with some experience please offer some advice. I would recommend you stick with stable, but install new versions of desktop apps (KDE, Firefox, OpenOffice, etc.) from backports.org. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Experimenting with Debian
Michael M. a écrit, le 13.04.2006 02:02 : The repositories are: deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free deb-src http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free hello, here are other informations for testing security: http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/ deb http://secure-testing.debian.net/debian-secure-testing etch/security-updates main contrib non-free (in one line) is what I use for security in my /etc/apt/sources.list am I doing wrong? heho -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Experimenting with Debian
Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote: On Tuesday 11 April 2006 11:31, Toby Satchell wrote: Hi, I am setting up a dual boot with debian and want to experiment with it as a desktop. I am wondering which would be the best version to go for, Stable, Testing , Unstable. I run Stable at the moment with for a server, but wondering if testing would be a better option for a desktop as I would also like to implement steam under wine(and the other one I can't remember at the moment) Can somebody with some experience please offer some advice. This used to be a frequent question on this list and I had the same questions when I started using Debian. So I wrote an FAQ on this which can be found at http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/kk288/debian_choosing_distribution.html After reading this, if you have more questions, please let me know. Then I will change the FAQ accordingly. Input from new users is very important for such FAQs. hth raju Excellent FAQ I think. You might want to update #17: Currently Debian does not offer any security updates to testing or unstable. So make sure that you remove the lines relating to security updates of stable in /etc/apt/sources.list . Debian does have security updates for testing now. -- Michael M. ++ Portland, OR ++ USA No live organism can continue for long to exist sanely under conditions of absolute reality; even larks and katydids are supposed, by some, to dream. --S. Jackson -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Experimenting with Debian
On Wednesday 12 April 2006 18:10, Michael M. wrote: Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote: http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/kk288/debian_choosing_distribution.ht ml Excellent FAQ I think. Thanks! You might want to update #17: Currently Debian does not offer any security updates to testing or unstable. So make sure that you remove the lines relating to security updates of stable in /etc/apt/sources.list . Debian does have security updates for testing now. I am unaware of this. Could you please answer the following questions. For a user running stable and thinking of shifting to testing, What are the changes to be done (in terms of getting security support)? Is the security suport for testing distribution officially supported by Debian? For example, backports is not officially supported. Though many stable users are very content with it. thanks raju -- http://kamaraju.googlepages.com/cornell-bazaar http://groups.google.com/group/cornell-bazaar/about -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Experimenting with Debian
Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote: On Wednesday 12 April 2006 18:10, Michael M. wrote: Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote: http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/kk288/debian_choosing_distribution.ht ml Excellent FAQ I think. Thanks! You might want to update #17: Currently Debian does not offer any security updates to testing or unstable. So make sure that you remove the lines relating to security updates of stable in /etc/apt/sources.list . Debian does have security updates for testing now. I am unaware of this. Could you please answer the following questions. For a user running stable and thinking of shifting to testing, What are the changes to be done (in terms of getting security support)? Is the security suport for testing distribution officially supported by Debian? For example, backports is not officially supported. Though many stable users are very content with it. thanks raju The repositories are: deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free deb-src http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free Yes, this is an official part of the Debian project. Someone who knows more about how Debian organizes itself could probably provide details about how it fits into the overall scheme of things. My vaguely formed impression is that there are separate security teams, one for stable, one for testing. You could probably find more information by searching or browsing some of the security mailing lists. I think your basic points still stand, though. Anyone looking for security and stability above all other criteria should stick to stable. Newer apps and newer versions of older apps are bound to have more security issues than those in stable. But many seem to have the impression that testing is hung out to dry when it comes to security, and that's really not the case. -- Michael M. ++ Portland, OR ++ USA No live organism can continue for long to exist sanely under conditions of absolute reality; even larks and katydids are supposed, by some, to dream. --S. Jackson -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Experimenting with Debian
Hi, I am setting up a dual boot with debian and want to experiment with it as a desktop. I am wondering which would be the best version to go for, Stable, Testing , Unstable. I run Stable at the moment with for a server, but wondering if testing would be a better option for a desktop as I would also like to implement steam under wine(and the other one I can't remember at the moment) Can somebody with some experience please offer some advice. Thanks. Toby. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Experimenting with Debian
Toby Satchell wrote: I am setting up a dual boot with debian and want to experiment with it as a desktop. I am wondering which would be the best version to go for, Stable, Testing , Unstable. I run Stable at the moment with for a server, but wondering if testing would be a better option for a desktop as I would also like to implement steam under wine(and the other one I can't remember at the moment) My personal preference is to run Unstable on my desktops. You tend to get more breakage in Unstable than in Testing, but it also tends to get fixed quicker. IOW, when a breakage finds its way into Testing, you may wait a couple of weeks before a fix arrives. When a breakage finds its way into Unstable, a fix is usually forthcoming within a day or two. Since I have several desktop machines available to me, I just make sure I never upgrade them all at the same time; then if a breakage appears, it only appears in one machine and I still have several others to use until the fix appears or until I can figure out a fix myself. YMMV. -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Experimenting with Debian
On (11/04/06 11:13), Kent West wrote: Toby Satchell wrote: I am setting up a dual boot with debian and want to experiment with it as a desktop. I am wondering which would be the best version to go for, Stable, Testing , Unstable. I run Stable at the moment with for a server, but wondering if testing would be a better option for a desktop as I would also like to implement steam under wine(and the other one I can't remember at the moment) My personal preference is to run Unstable on my desktops. You tend to get more breakage in Unstable than in Testing, but it also tends to get fixed quicker. IOW, when a breakage finds its way into Testing, you may wait a couple of weeks before a fix arrives. When a breakage finds its way into Unstable, a fix is usually forthcoming within a day or two. Since I have several desktop machines available to me, I just make sure I never upgrade them all at the same time; then if a breakage appears, it only appears in one machine and I still have several others to use until the fix appears or until I can figure out a fix myself. If you've been using sarge for a while, the move to sid isn't that daunting. My advice is to update the system using aptitude and install apt-listbugs. They help keep you out of trouble. Like Kent, I have back up systems but all on the same laptop; I have two sid systems (xfce and enlightenment) plus Unbuntu and Kubuntu. I keep all work files and mail on the server (IMAP) and can work from any of the 4 systems (plus windows if compelled). I reality, I first started using sid after about 9 months of stable and it has never broken badly; most of the issues are from using amd64 plus a chroot 32bit system for openoffice and flash. A pure i386 would be less hassle .but where's the fun in that :) Regards Clive -- www.clivemenzies.co.uk ... ...strategies for business -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Experimenting with Debian
On Tuesday 11 April 2006 11:31, Toby Satchell wrote: Hi, I am setting up a dual boot with debian and want to experiment with it as a desktop. I am wondering which would be the best version to go for, Stable, Testing , Unstable. I run Stable at the moment with for a server, but wondering if testing would be a better option for a desktop as I would also like to implement steam under wine(and the other one I can't remember at the moment) Can somebody with some experience please offer some advice. This used to be a frequent question on this list and I had the same questions when I started using Debian. So I wrote an FAQ on this which can be found at http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/kk288/debian_choosing_distribution.html After reading this, if you have more questions, please let me know. Then I will change the FAQ accordingly. Input from new users is very important for such FAQs. hth raju -- http://kamaraju.googlepages.com/cornell-bazaar http://groups.google.com/group/cornell-bazaar/about -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
