Re: Font corruption under X
On Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 09:51:19PM -0400, Mike Werner wrote: Rogerio Brito wrote: On Jul 08 2000, Mike Werner wrote: Looks like that's it, alright. I just popped my case to double-check, and I am indeed using an S3 Virge/DX vid card with the SVGA server. ::sigh:: Is there any reason why you don't use the specialized xserver for your card? The package is xserver-s3v (not to be confused with xserver-s3). I have installed that one for a customer and he doesn't seem to have those problems (I went to your page to see the corruption). Well, I had considered that server. But when I saw this ... snip Description: X server for S3 ViRGE and ViRGE/VX-based graphics cards xserver-s3v is an 8-bit PseudoColor and 16-bit TrueColor X server suitable for use with S3 ViRGE and ViRGE/VX graphic accelerator boards. In most cases use of this X server is deprecated in favor of the SVGA X server. ... that last line got me to use the SVGA server instead. However, between the realization that since I pretty much know that the SVGA server is the cause of my troubles it most certainly can't hurt to try and your recommendation, I am now downloading the xserver-s3v package as I type this. I've had a number of problems with the SVGA driver on my own ViRGE/VX card, documented in the nether depths of comp.os.linux.*. Followups from others indicated that even with identically specified cards, some worked with the SVGA driver, some required the S3 driver. Go figure. -- Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~kmself Evangelist, Opensales, Inc.http://www.opensales.org What part of Gestalt don't you understand? Debian GNU/Linux rocks! http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/K5: http://www.kuro5hin.org GPG fingerprint: F932 8B25 5FDD 2528 D595 DC61 3847 889F 55F2 B9B0 pgpIZq3E0WG05.pgp Description: PGP signature
Font corruption under X
Hiya folks. Some time back I started having a strange and sporadic problem with the displayed fonts in X becoming corrupted. Recently it started happening more often. I've not been able to determine what causes it, but it happens more easily when Netscape is running. I don't think I could describe what happens to the fonts, so I won't try. Instead, I got a screenshot of it. It's at: http://www.csee.wvu.edu/~mwerner/netscape.jpg Recently, if I copy a URL using the mouse from an xterm (actually, it's rxvt that I use) and then paste it into Netscape's URL window the font corruption happens almost immediately. If it doesn't happen immediately, scrolling up and down a few times with the Page-Up and Page-Down keys will trigger it. However, I'm just about positive it's *not* Netscape's fault. I've had this font corruption happen even if Netscape is not running. It's happened with FileRunner, mutt (running in an rxvt window), mc (also in an rxvt window), and even just in rxvt at a prompt. There may have even been other apps that it's happened with - the 4 listed are the one's I use the most. I've also determined that it happens whether I have Gnome running or not. And I just tried with a different window manager - I usually am using Sawfish under Gnome, installed blackbox and tried under that - with the same results. It would seem that the fault is with X itself somewhere, but I have no idea where. And since I've no idea where to look next I'm not sure what to do next. I'm running woody up-to-date as of 5 minutes ago, kernel 2.2.16, PII 300MHz, 64 megs RAM, Helix Gnome / Sawfish. Anyone out there ever seen anything like this? -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | Where do you want to go today? | As far from Redmond as possible! '91 GS500E| Morgantown WV | Only dead fish go with the flow.
Re: Font corruption under X
* Mike Werner in Font corruption under X dated 2000/07/08 19:36 * wrote: Hiya folks. Some time back I started having a strange and sporadic problem with the displayed fonts in X becoming corrupted. Recently it started happening more often. I've not been able to determine what causes it, but it happens more easily when Netscape is running. I don't think I could describe what happens to the fonts, so I won't try. Instead, I got a screenshot of it. It's at: http://www.csee.wvu.edu/~mwerner/netscape.jpg Heh, I had that problem too, a while back. Recently, if I copy a URL using the mouse from an xterm (actually, it's rxvt that I use) and then paste it into Netscape's URL window the font corruption happens almost immediately. If it doesn't happen immediately, scrolling up and down a few times with the Page-Up and Page-Down keys will trigger it. Mine was never that consistent though. However, I'm just about positive it's *not* Netscape's fault. I've had this font corruption happen even if Netscape is not running. It's happened with FileRunner, mutt (running in an rxvt window), mc (also in an rxvt window), and even just in rxvt at a prompt. There may have even been other apps that it's happened with - the 4 listed are the one's I use the most. I've also determined that it happens whether I have Gnome running or not. And I just tried with a different window manager - I usually am using Sawfish under Gnome, installed blackbox and tried under that - with the same results. It would seem that the fault is with X itself somewhere, but I have no idea where. And since I've no idea where to look next I'm not sure what to do next. I came to the same conclusion that it had to be something in the X server but what exactly I don't know. I'm running woody up-to-date as of 5 minutes ago, kernel 2.2.16, PII 300MHz, 64 megs RAM, Helix Gnome / Sawfish. What video card are you using? I noticed this on a cheap S3 Virge/something (dx i think), upgrading my video card to a Matrox G200 seems to have solved the problem so I suspect it had something to do with the S3V implementation of the SVGA X server, but I'm still only guessing. -- Ashley Clark GCS/M d- s:-- a-- C++$ UL$ P L+++ E W++ N+ o K++ w O M V-- PS+(++) PE(++) Y+ PGP++(+++) t* 5+ X+ R* tv b+ DI++ D G e* h* r++ y+ finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for GPG public keyhttp://ghoti.org/ pgpT2d9Excw95.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Font corruption under X
Ashley Clark wrote: snipped What video card are you using? I noticed this on a cheap S3 Virge/something (dx i think), upgrading my video card to a Matrox G200 seems to have solved the problem so I suspect it had something to do with the S3V implementation of the SVGA X server, but I'm still only guessing. Looks like that's it, alright. I just popped my case to double-check, and I am indeed using an S3 Virge/DX vid card with the SVGA server. ::sigh:: Well, at least it looks like I now know what the problem is. I'll check the bug tracking system - if this hasn't already been filed maybe I'll go ahead and file one against the SVGA server. I'm still planning on getting a better vid card at some point - the Matrox line sounds quite promising. But it'll be long enough till I can afford a new card that I'll not worry about it for a while. Till then, I'll just try and put up with my current card. Who knows - perhaps the SVGA server in XFree86 4.0 will work better with this chip. Thanks for the speedy reply. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | Where do you want to go today? | As far from Redmond as possible! '91 GS500E| Morgantown WV | Only dead fish go with the flow.
Re: Font corruption under X
On Jul 08 2000, Mike Werner wrote: Looks like that's it, alright. I just popped my case to double-check, and I am indeed using an S3 Virge/DX vid card with the SVGA server. ::sigh:: Is there any reason why you don't use the specialized xserver for your card? The package is xserver-s3v (not to be confused with xserver-s3). I have installed that one for a customer and he doesn't seem to have those problems (I went to your page to see the corruption). Perhaps then it won't be necessary to spend your hard-earned bucks on a new card? If I recall correctly, the SVGA server support for S3 is more or less of alpha quality (I don't know how things improved since I last read the documentation). Thanks for the speedy reply. Try it and let us know. []s, Roger... -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/ Nectar homepage: http://www.linux.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/nectar/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Re: Font corruption under X
Rogerio Brito wrote: On Jul 08 2000, Mike Werner wrote: Looks like that's it, alright. I just popped my case to double-check, and I am indeed using an S3 Virge/DX vid card with the SVGA server. ::sigh:: Is there any reason why you don't use the specialized xserver for your card? The package is xserver-s3v (not to be confused with xserver-s3). I have installed that one for a customer and he doesn't seem to have those problems (I went to your page to see the corruption). Well, I had considered that server. But when I saw this ... HAL9000:~$ grep-available -P xserver-s3v Package: xserver-s3v Priority: optional Section: x11 Installed-Size: 2037 Maintainer: Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Architecture: i386 Source: xfree86-1 Version: 3.3.6-3 Replaces: xbase ( 3.3.2.1-1) Provides: xserver Depends: xserver-common (= 3.3.6), libc6 (= 2.1.2), libz1 Filename: dists/frozen/main/binary-i386/x11/xserver-s3v_3.3.6-3.deb Size: 892542 MD5sum: e6a896c951af08723bf0e1057596728c Description: X server for S3 ViRGE and ViRGE/VX-based graphics cards xserver-s3v is an 8-bit PseudoColor and 16-bit TrueColor X server suitable for use with S3 ViRGE and ViRGE/VX graphic accelerator boards. In most cases use of this X server is deprecated in favor of the SVGA X server. ... that last line got me to use the SVGA server instead. However, between the realization that since I pretty much know that the SVGA server is the cause of my troubles it most certainly can't hurt to try and your recommendation, I am now downloading the xserver-s3v package as I type this. Perhaps then it won't be necessary to spend your hard-earned bucks on a new card? Eventually I will anyway - I want a better card. The card I currently have has 4 megs VRAM onboard - that restricts me to 16 bit color at 1280x1024. I plan on getting a card with enough VRAM to let me run full color at that resolution. I've also reconsidered about the Matrox - I think I'll probably get something that uses the Mach64 server, as that's the server that my laptop uses. And if they both use the same server that's less downloading to do when upgrades come along. If I recall correctly, the SVGA server support for S3 is more or less of alpha quality (I don't know how things improved since I last read the documentation). Thanks for the speedy reply. Try it and let us know. If I can ever get the package downloaded I will - I'm currently getting *really* low throughput. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | Where do you want to go today? | As far from Redmond as possible! '91 GS500E| Morgantown WV | Only dead fish go with the flow.
Re: Font corruption under X - possibly solved!
Mike Werner wrote: Rogerio Brito wrote: On Jul 08 2000, Mike Werner wrote: snipped Try it and let us know. If I can ever get the package downloaded I will - I'm currently getting *really* low throughput. It's now installed. I ran the combo that eariler caused that corruption instantly, and the display survived! Everything seems to be running just as well as it did with the SVGA server, so I'll tentatively call this problem solved. Thank you Rogerio for spurring me to go ahead and try this server. To recap for anyone that missed the beginning of the thread - I was having odd font corruption in X, with an S3 Virge/DX vid card and the SVGA server. Switching to the S3V server appears to have solved the problem, in spite of the warning in the description of the S3V server package. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | Where do you want to go today? | As far from Redmond as possible! '91 GS500E| Morgantown WV | Only dead fish go with the flow.
