Re: Fonts in X [Off Topic]
Luiz Otavio L. Zorzella wrote: > > Remco Blaakmeer writes: > > > If nobody objects to it, I'll file bug reports for the following > > annoyances I have encountered when X is misconfigured: > > > - If the X server fails to start, xdm seems to be restarting it > > indefinitely. I'd say that if the X server is restarted too often too > > fast, it should be disabled because it is obviously not working. Just like > > init disables processes that are respawning too fast. > > YES! Do that! It has bothered me for a long time, now. That's one > reasons I'm more affraid to use xdm. > > What if your video card starts having problem? > > What if you test a new resolution, and the computer reboots? > > I guess the bug is in xdm. It should even try a default VGA mode if it > fails to load in the default resolution, before giving you a text > console, and a error message. > > -- > Luiz Otavio L. Zorzella Product Engineer > [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.conexware.com > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] This makes perfect sense to me as I have been locked out by xdm before. Very iritating. -- Bruce Jackson Linux: because reboots are for hardware upgrades!! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fonts in X [Off Topic]
On Thu, Apr 23, 1998 at 03:13:40PM -0400, Peter S Galbraith wrote: > > Sticker on my new Toshiba laptop: > > Notice: The software products pre-installed on your computer are > copyrighted works. Before turning on your computer, please read the > License Agreemant printed on each software package envelope or inside > the front of the appropriate manual. By turning on your computer you > indicate that you have read and accepted these software licenses > terms. > > Even if you turn it on to delete it? I wonder what a judge would say > about this. I thought it was a joke, but then the hammer went down onmy head! I can't quite believe this... brian, maybe this would make a nice fortune ? Marcus -- "Rhubarb is no Egyptian god."Debian GNU/Linuxfinger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann http://www.debian.orgmaster.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fonts in X [Off Topic]
On Thu, 23 Apr 1998, Remco Blaakmeer wrote: > On Thu, 23 Apr 1998, Stephen Carpenter wrote: > > > Luiz Otavio L. Zorzella wrote: > > > > > Remco Blaakmeer writes: > > > > > > > If nobody objects to it, I'll file bug reports for the following > > > > annoyances I have encountered when X is misconfigured: > > > > I don't know if I agree witha bug report against X...as the keyword there is > > "misconfigured"...although you could > > look at that as a bug in xdm but... > > there is a such thing as misconfigured...reminds me of when I was > > a tottal linux newbie I was running with RedHat in runlevel 5 (init starts > > XDM > > on startup) > > and I recompiled my kernel for the first time...forgot to compile in > > a mouse driver xdm didn't like that at all... > > needed to use a kernel boot parameter tofix it > > Yes, that's exactly my point. If you have accidentally or ignorantly > misconfigured X (or haven't configured it at all, for that matter) and > start xdm, your computer becomes inaccessible without either remote access > or a reboot with some not-guessable kernel parameters. This is VERY > confusing for newbies, who will really fast think something like "well, > this whole Linux thing obviously doesn't work for me, so I'll just turn it > off and return to Windows". Now, that is one thing we don't want, do we? > Hear Hear..!! Michael Beattie ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) --- Drop your carrier ... we have you surrounded! --- Debian GNU/Linux Ooohh You are missing out! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fonts in X [Off Topic]
On Thu, 23 Apr 1998, Stephen Carpenter wrote: > Luiz Otavio L. Zorzella wrote: > > > Remco Blaakmeer writes: > > > > > If nobody objects to it, I'll file bug reports for the following > > > annoyances I have encountered when X is misconfigured: > > I don't know if I agree witha bug report against X...as the keyword there is > "misconfigured"...although you could > look at that as a bug in xdm but... > there is a such thing as misconfigured...reminds me of when I was > a tottal linux newbie I was running with RedHat in runlevel 5 (init starts XDM > on startup) > and I recompiled my kernel for the first time...forgot to compile in > a mouse driver xdm didn't like that at all... > needed to use a kernel boot parameter tofix it Yes, that's exactly my point. If you have accidentally or ignorantly misconfigured X (or haven't configured it at all, for that matter) and start xdm, your computer becomes inaccessible without either remote access or a reboot with some not-guessable kernel parameters. This is VERY confusing for newbies, who will really fast think something like "well, this whole Linux thing obviously doesn't work for me, so I'll just turn it off and return to Windows". Now, that is one thing we don't want, do we? Remco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fonts in X [Off Topic]
If you happen to have an hour or two to killand nothing better to do you caould call the tech suport for the company and complain tell them that you want to delete the software off of the hard drive but refuse to turn it on because you don't want to agree to and be bound by those licences demand they send someone out to delete the software for you you wont get anywherebut it could be fun to kill an hour (and I have seen less than that get someone to change their wording on something :) ) -Steve Peter S Galbraith wrote: > > Or I could send an spam like: > > > > "By receiving this email you agreed to install Debian on your > > computer, and delete all the other operating systems in it." > > Sticker on my new Toshiba laptop: > > Notice: The software products pre-installed on your computer are > copyrighted works. Before turning on your computer, please read the > License Agreemant printed on each software package envelope or inside > the front of the appropriate manual. By turning on your computer you > indicate that you have read and accepted these software licenses > terms. > > Even if you turn it on to delete it? I wonder what a judge would say > about this. > -- > Peter Galbraith, research scientist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Maurice Lamontagne Institute, Department of Fisheries and Oceans Canada > P.O. Box 1000, Mont-Joli Qc, G5H 3Z4 Canada. 418-775-0852 FAX: 775-0546 > ** New E-Mail. [EMAIL PROTECTED] is cut off ** > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -=Signature has been removed because it made an unfair comparison between NT 4 and Linux =- replacement: (ok I admit...I am bored..its a slow day at work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$fortune -o Anything more than 3 shakes is for fun. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fonts in X [Off Topic]
> Or I could send an spam like: > > "By receiving this email you agreed to install Debian on your > computer, and delete all the other operating systems in it." Sticker on my new Toshiba laptop: Notice: The software products pre-installed on your computer are copyrighted works. Before turning on your computer, please read the License Agreemant printed on each software package envelope or inside the front of the appropriate manual. By turning on your computer you indicate that you have read and accepted these software licenses terms. Even if you turn it on to delete it? I wonder what a judge would say about this. -- Peter Galbraith, research scientist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Maurice Lamontagne Institute, Department of Fisheries and Oceans Canada P.O. Box 1000, Mont-Joli Qc, G5H 3Z4 Canada. 418-775-0852 FAX: 775-0546 ** New E-Mail. [EMAIL PROTECTED] is cut off ** -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fonts in X [Off Topic]
George Bonser writes: > On Thu, 23 Apr 1998, Remco Blaakmeer wrote: >> They have no license or the license is ill-formed or very >> ambiguous. You get the idea. > The gist of any Microsoft licenses I have ever read have been along > the lines of: > "This software is owned by Microsoft, not you. You have purchased > the right to run it on one machine and make one copy for backup > purposes." Well, since you were not told, neither did you agree with that when you *bought* (not borrowed, leased, or anything like it) that computer with Windows bundlend in it, the only one that can be sued is the vendor -- and only if M$ told him that they where not supposed to resell Windows, which I don't thinks it's likely to have happened! But I'd love to see M$ suing every vendor, and waiting to see how many of them would go on bundling Windows thereafter. BTW, imagine Coca-Cola company knocking in your door, and telling you that you do not own the Coke you bought at the supermarket, and so you cannot do anything they don't want you to do with it. As I stated before (even though I restate I'm not a lawyer), the companies (and people) have limits on what and how they can impose on licenses... One can write anything one wants, but that has not legal value. Or I could send an spam like: "By receiving this email you agreed to install Debian on your computer, and delete all the other operating systems in it." How about that? -- Luiz Otavio L. Zorzella Product Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.conexware.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fonts in X [Off Topic]
Luiz Otavio L. Zorzella wrote: > Remco Blaakmeer writes: > > > If nobody objects to it, I'll file bug reports for the following > > annoyances I have encountered when X is misconfigured: I don't know if I agree witha bug report against X...as the keyword there is "misconfigured"...although you could look at that as a bug in xdm but... there is a such thing as misconfigured...reminds me of when I was a tottal linux newbie I was running with RedHat in runlevel 5 (init starts XDM on startup) and I recompiled my kernel for the first time...forgot to compile in a mouse driver xdm didn't like that at all... needed to use a kernel boot parameter tofix it -Steve > > - If the X server fails to start, xdm seems to be restarting it > > indefinitely. I'd say that if the X server is restarted too often too > > fast, it should be disabled because it is obviously not working. Just like > > init disables processes that are respawning too fast. > > YES! Do that! It has bothered me for a long time, now. That's one > reasons I'm more affraid to use xdm. > > What if your video card starts having problem? > > What if you test a new resolution, and the computer reboots? > > I guess the bug is in xdm. It should even try a default VGA mode if it > fails to load in the default resolution, before giving you a text > console, and a error message. > > -- > Luiz Otavio L. Zorzella Product Engineer > [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.conexware.com > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -=Signature has been removed because it made an unfair comparison between NT 4 and Linux =- replacement: (ok I admit...I am bored..its a slow day at work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$fortune -o Anything more than 3 shakes is for fun. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fonts in X [Off Topic]
Remco Blaakmeer writes: > If nobody objects to it, I'll file bug reports for the following > annoyances I have encountered when X is misconfigured: > - If the X server fails to start, xdm seems to be restarting it > indefinitely. I'd say that if the X server is restarted too often too > fast, it should be disabled because it is obviously not working. Just like > init disables processes that are respawning too fast. YES! Do that! It has bothered me for a long time, now. That's one reasons I'm more affraid to use xdm. What if your video card starts having problem? What if you test a new resolution, and the computer reboots? I guess the bug is in xdm. It should even try a default VGA mode if it fails to load in the default resolution, before giving you a text console, and a error message. -- Luiz Otavio L. Zorzella Product Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.conexware.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fonts in X [Off Topic]
Luiz Otavio L. Zorzella wrote: > Stephen Carpenter writes: > > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > On Wed, 22 Apr 1998, Luiz Otavio L. Zorzella wrote: > > >> The point is: they can't demand certain restrictions in the > >> license, even if you signed a contract (which most users even did > >> not). But I'm not a lawyer, and won't speak as if I knew better > >> than I do... > > > That is NOT true... they can require anything... signed or otherwise > > By receiving this email you agreed to pay $ 500.00 to Luiz > Zorzella. Send the check to the ... :^> only if by accepting my check and endorsing the back of it you agree to pay$5, 000, 000 to Stephen J. Carpenter (Ill send my lawyer over with my check on monday to hand deliver it :) ) > *If* you sign something, the extents of what one can require are far > greater. If you did not (as most users, when they buy windows), you > are not consenting on anything but giving money to receive a computer > with a Windowing system... I often wonder if upon opening a box of freshly purchased Windows Software(at that store with the "Closeout - All Sales Final" sign) if I saw the thing warning me not to open the package of software if I don't agree with the licence...and I immediately called microsoft and said "I just read the little paper and I don't agree with the licence so I didn't open it" what they would do (other than be surprized) think I might get money back..afterall I did buy it... (or be really absurd and say I bought a CD and request they remove their software from my new CD) > If you choose to use parts of what's inside > (as one ever does, cuz nobody has devices for all the drivers, for > example), you may do it perfectly legally... > So this would be a case of using their fonts...the best stuff they ever made(well no...I think fdisk is a great program...most usefull one M$ ever made) -Steve > -- > Luiz Otavio L. Zorzella Product Engineer > [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.conexware.com > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -=Signature has been removed because it made an unfair comparison between NT 4 and Linux =- replacement: (ok I admit...I am bored..its a slow day at work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$fortune -o Anything more than 3 shakes is for fun. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fonts in X [Off Topic]
Stephen Carpenter writes: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > On Wed, 22 Apr 1998, Luiz Otavio L. Zorzella wrote: >> The point is: they can't demand certain restrictions in the >> license, even if you signed a contract (which most users even did >> not). But I'm not a lawyer, and won't speak as if I knew better >> than I do... > That is NOT true... they can require anything... signed or otherwise By receiving this email you agreed to pay $ 500.00 to Luiz Zorzella. Send the check to the ... :^> > (ok thats not true, there are a few things the law prevents them > from requiring...but even that doesn't mean they in truth can't type > it up and send it out) but... there are limits to what they can > really hold any power to enforce legally... sorta like a law saying > you can't ever wear orange shorts... how do you enforce it inside a > persons own home? It's not just a matter of enforcement. It's a matter of what you can legally require, by law. *If* you sign something, the extents of what one can require are far greater. If you did not (as most users, when they buy windows), you are not consenting on anything but giving money to receive a computer with a Windowing system... If you choose to use parts of what's inside (as one ever does, cuz nobody has devices for all the drivers, for example), you may do it perfectly legally... -- Luiz Otavio L. Zorzella Product Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.conexware.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fonts in X [Off Topic]
On Wed, Apr 22, 1998 at 02:42:16PM -0700, George Bonser wrote: > > They have no license or the license is ill-formed or very ambiguous. You > > get the idea. > > The gist of any Microsoft licenses I have ever read have been along the > lines of: > > "This software is owned by Microsoft, not you. You have purchased the > right to run it on one machine and make one copy for backup purposes." And that's one of their more liberal licenses pgpmrkmzz7Oks.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Fonts in X [Off Topic]
On Wed, 22 Apr 1998, Stephen Carpenter wrote: > On Wed, 22 Apr 1998, Luiz Otavio L. Zorzella wrote: > > Yeah! Is there a good reason why xffst is not started in /etc/rc.boot > > (or something)? > I can think of a reason or two...no not really... > there is a problem with trying to stop it (without using > kill-all) and you can't sync it whjile it runs... > other than that...no > I think it should be started on startup start-stop-daemon uses a pid-file that stores the PID of the running daemon so it knows which program to stop later. And 'xfstt --sync' causes xfstt to sync with the fonts in /var/ttfonts. So there is not really a problem here. > > BTW, can you help me in (finally) better understanding the True Type > > files? > I will try :) > > There are > > > > *.ttf > True Type FOnt > > *.fon > Old Style bitmapped font > > *.ttr > > *.for > NFI on these two Another one: *.fot Used by Windows 3.x to store some information about TT fonts. There should be one for every *.ttf file. Remco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Wed, 22 Apr 1998, Luiz Otavio L. Zorzella wrote: > The point is: they can't demand certain restrictions in the license, > even if you signed a contract (which most users even did not). But I'm > not a lawyer, and won't speak as if I knew better than I do... That is NOT truethey can require anything..signed or otherwise (ok thats not true, there are a few things the law prevents them from requiring...but even that doesn't mean they in truth can't type it up and send it out) but...there are limits to what they can really hold any power to enforce legally...sorta like a law saying you can't ever wear orange shorts...how do you enforce it inside a persons own home? > Yeah! Is there a good reason why xffst is not started in /etc/rc.boot > (or something)? I can think of a reason or two...no not really... there is a problem with trying to stop it (without using kill-all) and you can't sync it whjile it runs... other than that...no I think it should be started on startup > BTW, can you help me in (finally) better understanding the True Type > files? I will try :) > There are > > *.ttf True Type FOnt > *.fon Old Style bitmapped font > *.ttr > *.for NFI on these two > > > Thanks a lot. No problem :) - -Steve > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBNT56kXxvn0zebBV9AQEOLwQApDYUzT7pq2tSedYbaOT9WtSLN1Mq5ues QahMWYcTszl6ZMhRuzq+UdPGsGn3fxt2zlL3IAP7ljLwFi+wKqQeZgiOD7CAmKHK gJmvoykVZboJVu7QrX4xnOi9HNjCfVHQvpxMdm1wZDWcVgnAr3StTKZB+PMntc2i PIf6W+RG+2U= =J8vl -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fonts in X [Off Topic]
On Wed, 22 Apr 1998, George Bonser wrote: > On Thu, 23 Apr 1998, Remco Blaakmeer wrote: > > > They have no license or the license is ill-formed or very ambiguous. You > > get the idea. > > The gist of any Microsoft licenses I have ever read have been along the > lines of: > > "This software is owned by Microsoft, not you. You have purchased the > right to run it on one machine and make one copy for backup purposes." Yes, but this remark was about the fonts on those font CDs you can buy everywhere for little money. I bet any Microsoft program has a well-formed license. MS has got enough lawyers to come up with "good" licenses. Remco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, 22 Apr 1998, Luiz Otavio L. Zorzella wrote: > Remco Blaakmeer writes: > > > You can place the fonts in a subdirectory of /var/ttfonts . You can use > > any name for that subdirectory. Where you get the fonts is another issue. > > It is probably illegal to use the fonts that come with Windows. > > Why? If you bought a Windows license, you bought a license for the > Windows components, I think. > > Not being legal to use Windows fonts in Linux would be like being > illegal to buy Coke and using the jar to carry Oranje Juice... > > Also, if you bought any program that comes with true type fonts (like > Corel Draw), you could use them also! I just meant that I didn't know for sure. I can't remember actually reading a license for a commercial application. > > You could get yourself a CD with a few hundred shareware/freeware > > fonts, but most of these are very poorly licensed. > > What do you mean by very poorly licensed? They have no license or the license is ill-formed or very ambiguous. You get the idea. > > xfstt isn't yet automatically started at boot time. To start it > > manually, do: > > > # xfstt & > > > ... as root. > > > To let the X server use the fonts, you can do: > > > $ xset fp+ tcp/localhost:7100 > > Thanks for the clues! I finally could see some nice fonts in > Netscape... Great! Remco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, 22 Apr 1998, Stephen Carpenter wrote: > Luiz Otavio L. Zorzella wrote: > > > Remco Blaakmeer writes: > > > > It is probably illegal to use the fonts that come with Windows. > > > > Why? If you bought a Windows license, you bought a license for the > > Windows components, I think. > > That sounds right to meIt is of course illegal to distribute the font > thatcome with windows, well...I havn't actually looked to see if the > windows fonts are available on any sort of "Free" licence... > but... What are the chances of Micro$oft using any sort of free licence for > anything? > > > Not being legal to use Windows fonts in Linux would be like being > > illegal to buy Coke and using the jar to carry Oranje Juice... > > I think a better analogy might be "You buy a coke bu tbecause of thelicence > agreement you have to drink the whole thing, you can't dump > half of it out even if you don't like its flavor" > > > > To let the X server use the fonts, you can do: > > > > > $ xset fp+ tcp/localhost:7100 > > > > you can also edit /etc/XF86config and add the fontpath"unix:7100" (I think > thats > it don't have the docs in front of me... > in any case it is in the xfstt docs from the tarball on sunsite) > NB: if you do this..and reboot your machine you MUST > run xfstt & ...if you do not have xfstt and you have this line in your > XF86Config file...then X will refuse to start and exit with an error Yes, I said that in the same post where I mentioned the xset command. And BTW, you are right where you say that xfstt *must* be running if you add the line to XF86Config. I just tried it. If a _directory_ in the fontpath is missing or otherwise invalid, it is deleted from the fontpath. But if a font server is not present, this is considered a fatal error and the X server refuses to load. If you are using xdm to start X and the X server refuses to start, you'll end up with a flashing screen caused by the X server being started over and over again. If you ever encounter such a problem, you can solve it by stopping xdm through a telnet connection or trying to hit Ctrl-Alt-Del at a moment where the X server has stopped and isn't yet being restarted and then booting into single user mode. If nobody objects to it, I'll file bug reports for the following annoyances I have encountered when X is misconfigured: - If the X server fails to start, xdm seems to be restarting it indefinitely. I'd say that if the X server is restarted too often too fast, it should be disabled because it is obviously not working. Just like init disables processes that are respawning too fast. - If there is a non-existing font directory in xfs's config file, this is a fatal error and xfs doesn't start at all, which causes my X server to fail because it can't find its fonts, which is very annoying because I use xdm. - If there is a non-existing font server in the FontPath of an X server, this is a fatal error and it refuses to start, which is annoying like I said above. Of course, if the X server can't find the font 'fixed', it should still fail to start. Remco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Stephen Carpenter writes: > but... What are the chances of Micro$oft using any sort of free > licence for anything? The point is: they can't demand certain restrictions in the license, even if you signed a contract (which most users even did not). But I'm not a lawyer, and won't speak as if I knew better than I do... > you can also edit /etc/XF86config and add the fontpath"unix:7100" (I > think thats it don't have the docs in front of me... in any case it > is in the xfstt docs from the tarball on sunsite) NB: if you do > this..and reboot your machine you MUST run xfstt & ...if you do not > have xfstt and you have this line in your XF86Config file...then X > will refuse to start and exit with an error -Steve Yeah! Is there a good reason why xffst is not started in /etc/rc.boot (or something)? BTW, can you help me in (finally) better understanding the True Type files? There are *.ttf *.fon *.ttr *.for files. (The last two are usually when some windows applications install a custom font at startup, as many music programs do, with musical symbols to print the scores, for example). What are all these stuff? Thanks a lot. -- Luiz Otavio L. Zorzella Product Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.conexware.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Luiz Otavio L. Zorzella wrote: > Remco Blaakmeer writes: > > It is probably illegal to use the fonts that come with Windows. > > Why? If you bought a Windows license, you bought a license for the > Windows components, I think. That sounds right to meIt is of course illegal to distribute the font thatcome with windows, well...I havn't actually looked to see if the windows fonts are available on any sort of "Free" licence... but... What are the chances of Micro$oft using any sort of free licence for anything? > Not being legal to use Windows fonts in Linux would be like being > illegal to buy Coke and using the jar to carry Oranje Juice... I think a better analogy might be "You buy a coke bu tbecause of thelicence agreement you have to drink the whole thing, you can't dump half of it out even if you don't like its flavor" > > To let the X server use the fonts, you can do: > > > $ xset fp+ tcp/localhost:7100 > you can also edit /etc/XF86config and add the fontpath"unix:7100" (I think thats it don't have the docs in front of me... in any case it is in the xfstt docs from the tarball on sunsite) NB: if you do this..and reboot your machine you MUST run xfstt & ...if you do not have xfstt and you have this line in your XF86Config file...then X will refuse to start and exit with an error -Steve > Thanks for the clues! I finally could see some nice fonts in > Netscape... it does make things look o much nicer :)-Steve -- -=Signature has been removed because it made an unfair comparison between NT 4 and Linux =- replacement: (ok I admit...I am bored..its a slow day at work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$fortune -o Anything more than 3 shakes is for fun. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Remco Blaakmeer writes: > You can place the fonts in a subdirectory of /var/ttfonts . You can use > any name for that subdirectory. Where you get the fonts is another issue. > It is probably illegal to use the fonts that come with Windows. Why? If you bought a Windows license, you bought a license for the Windows components, I think. Not being legal to use Windows fonts in Linux would be like being illegal to buy Coke and using the jar to carry Oranje Juice... Also, if you bought any program that comes with true type fonts (like Corel Draw), you could use them also! > You could get yourself a CD with a few hundred shareware/freeware > fonts, but most of these are very poorly licensed. What do you mean by very poorly licensed? > xfstt isn't yet automatically started at boot time. To start it > manually, do: > # xfstt & > ... as root. > To let the X server use the fonts, you can do: > $ xset fp+ tcp/localhost:7100 Thanks for the clues! I finally could see some nice fonts in Netscape... -- Luiz Otavio L. Zorzella Product Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.conexware.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Tue, 21 Apr 1998, Daniel Mashao wrote: > On Mon, 20 Apr 1998, Petra wrote: > > > On Mon, 20 Apr 1998, Stephen Carpenter wrote: > > > > I was told that XFSTT had a new maintainer when I asked to adopt it... so > > I guess we are both to late. > > > Where is xfstt*.deb? I don't know, All I know is that I was told it had a new maintainer, and that I should ask someone to update the WNPP group. - -K -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: noconv iQB1AwUBNT0BOxsA5GylAiwdAQGKgwMAx5ccfCxXtWHZlnZqi9ta1IaH+LAVdB6f 1U5mjmgAVBLdi7S1cQo7NXefxH74kK/7upP059rdaY60OThb4hwLiGNIL/8fP0/V zrrBUV3vGRtyWwWpj0ra6QcJiTyttHSD =I5u5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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ahh thanx for the info It has been on that list saying it needed a new maintainer for a while now...oh well... hopefully now the documentation will be fixed :) -Steve Petra wrote: > On Mon, 20 Apr 1998, Stephen Carpenter wrote: > > I was told that XFSTT had a new maintainer when I asked to adopt it... so > I guess we are both to late. > > <> > > -K -- -=Signature has been removed because it made an unfair comparison between NT 4 and Linux =- replacement: (ok I admit...I am bored..its a slow day at work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$fortune -o Anything more than 3 shakes is for fun. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Mon, 20 Apr 1998, Petra wrote: > On Mon, 20 Apr 1998, Stephen Carpenter wrote: > > I was told that XFSTT had a new maintainer when I asked to adopt it... so > I guess we are both to late. > Where is xfstt*.deb? /---/ Daniel J. Mashao Electrical Engineering[EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Cape Town http://www.ee.uct.ac.za/~daniel Rondebosch, 7700, S. Africa(w) 27+21+650 2816 (h) 27+21+705 1233 /---/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Mon, 20 Apr 1998, Stephen Carpenter wrote: I was told that XFSTT had a new maintainer when I asked to adopt it... so I guess we are both to late. <> -K -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- I know in fact xfstt is on the list of "Packages needing a new main tainer" I know this list is not really the proper place for this but... since it needs a new maintainer...I am wondering what is involved in that I have been thinking for a while that I would like to pitch in and help out... ive looked over a few packages...and xfstt is a package I really like im just still a little unsure of myself and my abilities (supose its a self confidence issue)... this doesn't seem like a very hard package to keep up with and work on... anyon ehave any thoughts on whether this one is good for a "first package" to get ones feet wet? I really like this package and I think what it does is GREAT (it makes Netscape and other programs look so much better) ive been toying with the idea of this package and that it is "needing a new maintainer" for a few weeks now (I know I should probably look into the "Debian-mentors" list if I am considering volunteering but...between debian-devel and debian-user and BUGTRAQI have trouble keepin up with the nearly 300-500 e-maisl a day - -Steve On Mon, 20 Apr 1998, Remco Blaakmeer wrote: > On Mon, 20 Apr 1998, Stephen Carpenter wrote: > > > I read this now and this reminds me of a point I have meant to bring to > > someones > > attention... > > the debian xfstt package soes not contain the original xfstt documentation! > > I installed it recently (again) and actually had to download the package > > off of > > sunsite > > and unpack the tarball just to get the docs on how to tell X > > that I hada font server running! > > hmm...if the lack of a man page is considered a "bug" (I read that > > somewhere) > > would this also fall into that catergory? > > the docs included in the deb (unfortunately) don't even ell how > > to make the install usefull :( > > Yes, this would count as a bug in the package. But my impression from > README.debian is that the maintainer doesn't really want to spend too much > work on it, so probably this package is practically, though not > officially, orphaned. > > Remco > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBNTv81Xxvn0zebBV9AQGDsAQAj8m1yECDBmjuhfGZ9zM4K396b1u+Zovo 4zGME8rCdapZMYLspJNo6fk4sYukCSmIAVn4s+iPYUYx0zQSeInhqY7kfDOJ6bNz lZXX7wGeoew+k8AVDPZ5SyZNRHfYWG/U8gyoEKuO1DKyA0eSdlpjbfQDei/FAiUV 1UDkmza/emM= =tfcg -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Mon, 20 Apr 1998, Stephen Carpenter wrote: > I read this now and this reminds me of a point I have meant to bring to > someones > attention... > the debian xfstt package soes not contain the original xfstt documentation! > I installed it recently (again) and actually had to download the package off > of > sunsite > and unpack the tarball just to get the docs on how to tell X > that I hada font server running! > hmm...if the lack of a man page is considered a "bug" (I read that somewhere) > would this also fall into that catergory? > the docs included in the deb (unfortunately) don't even ell how > to make the install usefull :( Yes, this would count as a bug in the package. But my impression from README.debian is that the maintainer doesn't really want to spend too much work on it, so probably this package is practically, though not officially, orphaned. Remco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I read this now and this reminds me of a point I have meant to bring to someones attention... the debian xfstt package soes not contain the original xfstt documentation! I installed it recently (again) and actually had to download the package off of sunsite and unpack the tarball just to get the docs on how to tell X that I hada font server running! hmm...if the lack of a man page is considered a "bug" (I read that somewhere) would this also fall into that catergory? the docs included in the deb (unfortunately) don't even ell how to make the install usefull :( -Steve Remco Blaakmeer wrote: > On Fri, 17 Apr 1998, Paul Rightley wrote: > > > I have installed xfstt, but it seems to be documentation-poor. > > I know nothing of fonts in X (or in Windows for that matter - > > I guess I am the prototypical luser). Where would I get some > > TTF fonts and where would I put them to use them? Are there > > fonts of this sort that follow the DFSG (which I would prefer)? > > You can place the fonts in a subdirectory of /var/ttfonts . You can use > any name for that subdirectory. Where you get the fonts is another issue. > It is probably illegal to use the fonts that come with Windows. You could > get yourself a CD with a few hundred shareware/freeware fonts, but most of > these are very poorly licensed. > > xfstt isn't yet automatically started at boot time. To start it manually, > do: > > # xfstt & > > ... as root. > > If you also run xfs, you'll have to put one of these font servers on > another port than the default (which is 7100). 'xfstt --help' and 'xfs > --help' are helpful here. But if you say you don't know anything about > fonts, you probably don't run xfs. > > To let the X server use the fonts, you can do: > > $ xset fp+ tcp/localhost:7100 > > ... as any user that currently has access to the X server (i.e. you). > This only works if the X server is already running and must be done every > time the X server is restarted. > > If you want the X server to automatically use the fonts, you can add this > line to the "Files" section in /etc/X11/XF86Config : > > FontPath "tcp/localhost:7100" > > If xfstt isn't running when X is started, the X server will not be able to > use the TTF fonts until you issue the xset command above. > > I say again here, I don't know where GIMP gets its fonts. But if it gets > them from the X server, this is the way to get GIMP to use TTF fonts. > > Also, note that xfstt is in an experimental state. It is not yet stable > and may crash or do things you don't expect now and then. But you could be > lucky and it may just work for you. > > If you have any more questions, just ask. > > Remco > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -=Signature has been removed because it made an unfair comparison between NT 4 and Linux =- replacement: (ok I admit...I am bored..its a slow day at work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$fortune -o Anything more than 3 shakes is for fun. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Fri, 17 Apr 1998, Paul Rightley wrote: > I have installed xfstt, but it seems to be documentation-poor. > I know nothing of fonts in X (or in Windows for that matter - > I guess I am the prototypical luser). Where would I get some > TTF fonts and where would I put them to use them? Are there > fonts of this sort that follow the DFSG (which I would prefer)? You can place the fonts in a subdirectory of /var/ttfonts . You can use any name for that subdirectory. Where you get the fonts is another issue. It is probably illegal to use the fonts that come with Windows. You could get yourself a CD with a few hundred shareware/freeware fonts, but most of these are very poorly licensed. xfstt isn't yet automatically started at boot time. To start it manually, do: # xfstt & ... as root. If you also run xfs, you'll have to put one of these font servers on another port than the default (which is 7100). 'xfstt --help' and 'xfs --help' are helpful here. But if you say you don't know anything about fonts, you probably don't run xfs. To let the X server use the fonts, you can do: $ xset fp+ tcp/localhost:7100 ... as any user that currently has access to the X server (i.e. you). This only works if the X server is already running and must be done every time the X server is restarted. If you want the X server to automatically use the fonts, you can add this line to the "Files" section in /etc/X11/XF86Config : FontPath "tcp/localhost:7100" If xfstt isn't running when X is started, the X server will not be able to use the TTF fonts until you issue the xset command above. I say again here, I don't know where GIMP gets its fonts. But if it gets them from the X server, this is the way to get GIMP to use TTF fonts. Also, note that xfstt is in an experimental state. It is not yet stable and may crash or do things you don't expect now and then. But you could be lucky and it may just work for you. If you have any more questions, just ask. Remco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I have installed xfstt, but it seems to be documentation-poor. I know nothing of fonts in X (or in Windows for that matter - I guess I am the prototypical luser). Where would I get some TTF fonts and where would I put them to use them? Are there fonts of this sort that follow the DFSG (which I would prefer)? Paul On 17-Apr-98 Remco Blaakmeer wrote: > On Fri, 17 Apr 1998, Paul Rightley wrote: > > > I don't know where GIMP gets it fonts, but if it gets them from the X > server I think I have a solution for you. Take a look at the xfstt > package. This is a font server for X that handles TTF fonts. With it, you > can have all your favorite Windows fonts on your X display. Try it and see > if it works for you. > > Remco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I am sorry if I am clueless... I installed xfntscl and looked in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo and Type1 for the fonts listed in fonts.scale (I assume that this is how one determines if a font is scalable). I then tried using these fonts in gimp. This worked the same way as before (strong pixellization of the characters). I know nothing of fonts in X. Is there something that I am doing wrong? Is there a good reference on this sort of thing? Paul On 17-Apr-98 Ossama Othman wrote: > Have you tried the xfntscl package? Those fonts are scalable. > > -Ossama > > __ > Ossama Othman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > --- PGP Keys --- > Public: http://astrosun.tn.cornell.edu/staff/othman/OO_PUBLIC.asc > REVOKED: http://astrosun.tn.cornell.edu/staff/othman/OO_REVOKED.asc -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Fri, 17 Apr 1998, Paul Rightley wrote: > I have been using gimp to produce some overheads lately (in the > hope that I can finally rid myself of the necessity of booting > into and Windows product). However, when I create large text > (like 50 pixels high), it looks pretty pixelated - even if the > image itself has a much higher resolution. Is there a way to > make smoother text? Since gimp seems to use the X fonts, maybe > I just need a scalable (?) font in X? I know nothing about adding > fonts to X (that are not conveniently provided by a debian > package). > > Thanks for any assistance (even if it is just the fm to r), > > Paul > > P.S. Thanks for the outstanding debian distribution, and the > support found on this list. I don't know where GIMP gets it fonts, but if it gets them from the X server I think I have a solution for you. Take a look at the xfstt package. This is a font server for X that handles TTF fonts. With it, you can have all your favorite Windows fonts on your X display. Try it and see if it works for you. Remco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I have been using gimp to produce some overheads lately (in the hope that I can finally rid myself of the necessity of booting into and Windows product). However, when I create large text (like 50 pixels high), it looks pretty pixelated - even if the image itself has a much higher resolution. Is there a way to make smoother text? Since gimp seems to use the X fonts, maybe I just need a scalable (?) font in X? I know nothing about adding fonts to X (that are not conveniently provided by a debian package). Thanks for any assistance (even if it is just the fm to r), Paul P.S. Thanks for the outstanding debian distribution, and the support found on this list. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
