Re: From x86 to x86-64
Ron Johnson wrote: On 02/16/2009 08:33 AM, Jimmy Johnson wrote: [snip] Hi Ron, just to let you know, if you have /home installed to /root and you have another OS installed or a Live CD to use you can delete all files except /home and then install no-format, if you get a warning after partition management to cancel or ignore, choose ignore, this works, I have done it many times. You're a braver man than I! One false step, and *poof*... Yep, you're right, I'm brave, loyal and trustworthy, a regular Boy Scout I am. :) Just along time Debian tester and willing to try different things, I predict that one of these days the Debian installer will have the option to save home and will then delete the system files for you, but until then the above is the next best thing. I just now did a KDE install using the final Lenny DVD one where you now have the option of installing anyone one of four different desktops (sweet) and did not get any warning at all about not formating /root, I just used another system I had installed to delete all the files except /home and then did the install no-format /root, no wasted space and the system is installed all on one partition, I'm installing more software to it now, so I do know that this works and I have done it many times on many computers. :) -- Jimmy Johnson Bakersfield, CA. U.S.A. Registered Linux User #380263 K.I.S.S. (Keep it simple stupid) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: From x86 to x86-64
On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 5:31 AM, Anthony Campbell a...@acampbell.org.ukwrote: On 30 Jan 2009, Johannes Wiedersich wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 tinkywinky wrote: I've installed x86 version of Lenny, but I have 64-bit processor. I'd like to change to use 64-bit version of debian. Is that possible without having to reinstall? There is a very simple way: just install the linux-image-*-amd64 and boot into that kernel. This will run a 64bit kernel with your 32bit system. It won't be 'fully' 64, but for me it's 64bit enough on my laptop. I don't really know how much real life improvement a fresh install of amd64 would yield, but I guess for most desktop systems it is not really to worry about... (Please correct me, if that's wrong or share any expererience on that) YMMV, cheers, Johannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Reading your post, I found I'd been doing that for a long time without realizing it!. I've never had any problems; whether there is any benefit I've no idea. Anthony All, I was thnking of doing a 32 bit to 64 bit upgrade myself using the dpkg --get-selections and dpkg --set-selectionsroute. This raises another question: Can I install the 64 bit linux image, change my sources.list file to amd64 and do a dist-upgrade? Stuart
Re: From x86 to x86-64
On 02/15/2009 10:08 AM, S Scharf wrote: [snip] All, I was thnking of doing a 32 bit to 64 bit upgrade myself using the dpkg --get-selections and dpkg --set-selectionsroute. This raises another question: Can I install the 64 bit linux image, change my sources.list file to amd64 and do a dist-upgrade? You could try!!! But I'd only do it if /home were in a separate partition, and a 64-bit Lenny ISO were burned do a CD, for those just in case scenarios. -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Supporting World Peace Through Nuclear Pacification -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: From x86 to x86-64
On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 11:08:39AM -0500, S Scharf wrote: All, I was thnking of doing a 32 bit to 64 bit upgrade myself using the dpkg --get-selections and dpkg --set-selectionsroute. This raises another question: Can I install the 64 bit linux image, change my sources.list file to amd64 and do a dist-upgrade? If at all possible, I'd recommend your installing 64-bit debian in a separate partition. That way, you can go back to your operational 32-bit system if need be, and have a way to troubleshoot 32/64 bit issues. Good luck, Joel Stuart -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: From x86 to x86-64
pierpaolo: On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 6:54 PM, Jochen Schulz m...@well-adjusted.de wrote: ...you can use debootstrap to reinstall without using the installer and without repartitioning your hard drive. You just need a swap partition large enough to hold the base system. How is this supposed to work, please? The basic idea: swapoff /dev/sdX mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdX mount /dev/sdX /somewhere debootstrap /somewhere chroot /somewhere grub-install /dev/sdX exit modify menu.lst to use /dev/sdX as root device reboot copy necessary system configuration from old-root-device mkfs.ext3 /dev/old-root-device clone new system to old-root-device reboot mkswap /dev/sdX swapon /dev/sdX There are moe specific HOWTOs about the process on the net. J. -- Television advertisements are the apothesis of twentieth century culture. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: From x86 to x86-64
Johannes Wiedersich wrote: tinkywinky wrote: I've installed x86 version of Lenny, but I have 64-bit processor. I'd like to change to use 64-bit version of debian. Is that possible without having to reinstall? There is a very simple way: just install the linux-image-*-amd64 and boot into that kernel. This will run a 64bit kernel with your 32bit system. It won't be 'fully' 64, but for me it's 64bit enough on my laptop. I don't really know how much real life improvement a fresh install of amd64 would yield, but I guess for most desktop systems it is not really to worry about... (Please correct me, if that's wrong or share any expererience on that) YMMV, cheers, Johannes If you want to compile 64-bit code, I think, you need more packages of the 64-bit world. -- Regards, Jörg-Volker. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: From x86 to x86-64
On 01/31/2009 02:57 AM, Jochen Schulz wrote: pierpaolo: On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 6:54 PM, Jochen Schulz m...@well-adjusted.de wrote: ...you can use debootstrap to reinstall without using the installer and without repartitioning your hard drive. You just need a swap partition large enough to hold the base system. How is this supposed to work, please? The basic idea: swapoff /dev/sdX mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdX mount /dev/sdX /somewhere debootstrap /somewhere chroot /somewhere grub-install /dev/sdX exit modify menu.lst to use /dev/sdX as root device reboot copy necessary system configuration from old-root-device mkfs.ext3 /dev/old-root-device clone new system to old-root-device cp? reboot mkswap /dev/sdX swapon /dev/sdX There are moe specific HOWTOs about the process on the net. -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA I am not surprised, for we live long and are celebrated poopers. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: From x86 to x86-64
Alan Ianson wrote: On January 30, 2009 06:11:54 am tinkywinky wrote: Hello, I've installed x86 version of Lenny, but I have 64-bit processor. I'd like to change to use 64-bit version of debian. Is that possible without having to reinstall? I think you are best off to reinstall. dpkg --get-selections and dpkg --set-selections might help if you want to end up in the same place you are now. After saving your configurations in /etc, even better would be something like this on the old system aptitude -F '%p' search '~i!~M' manually-installed take the file manually-installed to the system to be installed and command, e.g., xargs manually-installed aptitude -y install Alternatively, save at least the information which packages are installed automatically and restore that information: on the old system aptitude -F '%p' search '~M' automatically-installed take the file automatically-installed to the otherwise restored system and command, e.g., xargs automatically-installed aptitude -y markauto -- Regards, Jörg-Volker. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: From x86 to x86-64
On 31/01/2009, Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote: On 01/31/2009 02:57 AM, Jochen Schulz wrote: clone new system to old-root-device cp? I'd be interested in this as well. I just recently tried cloning a filesystem using cp and it worked except I was unable to su - to root. I could login to root directly, login under my username correctly but su - failed with something along the lines of: su: Authentication Failure I tried setting umask rsync and others but something was screwing things up, neither fs was in use (booted from live cd) but were mounted. dump / restore worked perfectly. Adrian -- 24x7x365 != 24x7x52 Stupid or bad maths? erno hm. I've lost a machine.. literally _lost_. it responds to ping, it works completely, I just can't figure out where in my apartment it is. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: From x86 to x86-64
On 30 Jan 2009, Johannes Wiedersich wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 tinkywinky wrote: I've installed x86 version of Lenny, but I have 64-bit processor. I'd like to change to use 64-bit version of debian. Is that possible without having to reinstall? There is a very simple way: just install the linux-image-*-amd64 and boot into that kernel. This will run a 64bit kernel with your 32bit system. It won't be 'fully' 64, but for me it's 64bit enough on my laptop. I don't really know how much real life improvement a fresh install of amd64 would yield, but I guess for most desktop systems it is not really to worry about... (Please correct me, if that's wrong or share any expererience on that) YMMV, cheers, Johannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Reading your post, I found I'd been doing that for a long time without realizing it!. I've never had any problems; whether there is any benefit I've no idea. Anthony -- Anthony Campbell - a...@acampbell.org.uk Microsoft-free zone - Using Debian GNU/Linux http://www.acampbell.org.uk (blog, book reviews, and sceptical articles) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: From x86 to x86-64
Adrian Levi wrote: On 31/01/2009, Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote: On 01/31/2009 02:57 AM, Jochen Schulz wrote: clone new system to old-root-device cp? I'd be interested in this as well. cp -ax source destination does a great job. But my favorite is rsync. There are a gazillion options, but something like rsync -a -v source destination is great for copies like that, and it can be interrupted and resumed later. -- Providence, New Jersey, is one of the few cities where Velveeta cheese appears on the gourmet shelf. Eduardo M KALINOWSKI edua...@kalinowski.com.br http://move.to/hpkb -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
From x86 to x86-64
Hello, I've installed x86 version of Lenny, but I have 64-bit processor. I'd like to change to use 64-bit version of debian. Is that possible without having to reinstall? I thought of using a separate working directory where to install everything (if that is possible), and then move them to root. Is that a bad idea, and is there a better way around (probably is =)? T. Winky
Re: From x86 to x86-64
I think your best bet is to keep your home files on separate partition and reinstall everything else. There is no reason you can't have three partitions : 64 bit root, 32 bit root and a shared partition with /home on it. Kevin. tinkywinky wrote: Hello, I've installed x86 version of Lenny, but I have 64-bit processor. I'd like to change to use 64-bit version of debian. Is that possible without having to reinstall? I thought of using a separate working directory where to install everything (if that is possible), and then move them to root. Is that a bad idea, and is there a better way around (probably is =)? T. Winky -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: From x86 to x86-64
tinkywinky: I've installed x86 version of Lenny, but I have 64-bit processor. I'd like to change to use 64-bit version of debian. Is that possible without having to reinstall? Generally no, but... I thought of using a separate working directory where to install everything (if that is possible), and then move them to root. Is that a bad idea, and is there a better way around (probably is =)? ...you can use debootstrap to reinstall without using the installer and without repartitioning your hard drive. You just need a swap partition large enough to hold the base system. J. -- I wish I could do more to put the sparkle back into my marriage. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: From x86 to x86-64
On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 6:54 PM, Jochen Schulz m...@well-adjusted.de wrote: ...you can use debootstrap to reinstall without using the installer and without repartitioning your hard drive. You just need a swap partition large enough to hold the base system. How is this supposed to work, please? thanx
Re: From x86 to x86-64
On January 30, 2009 06:11:54 am tinkywinky wrote: Hello, I've installed x86 version of Lenny, but I have 64-bit processor. I'd like to change to use 64-bit version of debian. Is that possible without having to reinstall? I think you are best off to reinstall. dpkg --get-selections and dpkg --set-selections might help if you want to end up in the same place you are now. I thought of using a separate working directory where to install everything (if that is possible), and then move them to root. Is that a bad idea, and is there a better way around (probably is =)? I suppose if you need to reinstall anyway now is a good time to see what you can (or can't) do.. :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: From x86 to x86-64
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 tinkywinky wrote: I've installed x86 version of Lenny, but I have 64-bit processor. I'd like to change to use 64-bit version of debian. Is that possible without having to reinstall? There is a very simple way: just install the linux-image-*-amd64 and boot into that kernel. This will run a 64bit kernel with your 32bit system. It won't be 'fully' 64, but for me it's 64bit enough on my laptop. I don't really know how much real life improvement a fresh install of amd64 would yield, but I guess for most desktop systems it is not really to worry about... (Please correct me, if that's wrong or share any expererience on that) YMMV, cheers, Johannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkmDT3kACgkQC1NzPRl9qEXGQQCaA6NQEG+karlFrfNxNNA26RSq jFsAn2G5zlFVu/ifer/p1mdPlwTfyZZM =V1pv -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: From x86 to x86-64
On 01/30/2009 01:05 PM, Johannes Wiedersich wrote: tinkywinky wrote: I've installed x86 version of Lenny, but I have 64-bit processor. I'd like to change to use 64-bit version of debian. Is that possible without having to reinstall? There is a very simple way: just install the linux-image-*-amd64 and boot into that kernel. This will run a 64bit kernel with your 32bit system. It won't be 'fully' 64, but for me it's 64bit enough on my laptop. I don't really know how much real life improvement a fresh install of amd64 would yield, but I guess for most desktop systems it is not really to worry about... (Please correct me, if that's wrong or share any expererience on that) I concur with Johannes. Install a 64-bit kernel and keep your existing 32-bit userland. It's what I do, and it works like a charm. -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA I am not surprised, for we live long and are celebrated poopers. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
