Re: Grub won't install

[Joel Roth]

Stephen Powell wrote:
> On Wed, May 18, 2016, at 14:57, Marc Shapiro wrote:
> >
> > Lilo definitely still works with current kernels.  I started out using 
> > lilo 17 or 18 years ago and I am still using it now under Jessie and 
> > kernel vmlinuz-3.16.0-4-amd64.
> 
> I maintain a LILO web page for the benefit of Debian users here:
> 
>http://www.stevesdebianstuff.org/lilo.htm
 
Thanks, that is an awesome reference. I'm very glad to be
using LILO, find it trouble free, even tho I configured it
without understanding all the options you mention on your
detailed and comprehensible web page.

> I use it myself on the latest kernels without difficulty.  Many people believe
> that modern UEFI boards don't have a BIOS for forward compatibility anymore.
> That may be true in some cases.  But in other cases, the use of the "connected
> standby" feature in UEFI, which is a default setting in many cases, has 
> disabled
> the Compatibility Support Module (CSM) which provides the BIOS.
> 
> LILO is not for everyone, but it is still usable in a surprising number of
> situations.  I have a 64-bit machine that is only a couple of years old that
> uses it.

 
> -- 
>   .''`. Stephen Powell
>  : :'  :
>  `. `'`
>`-
> 

-- 
Joel Roth
  

Re: Grub won't install

[J Mo]

That's pretty awesome. Thanks to everyone for the lilo comments.



On 05/19/2016 04:54 PM, Stephen Powell wrote:

On Wed, May 18, 2016, at 14:57, Marc Shapiro wrote:

Lilo definitely still works with current kernels.  I started out using
lilo 17 or 18 years ago and I am still using it now under Jessie and
kernel vmlinuz-3.16.0-4-amd64.


I maintain a LILO web page for the benefit of Debian users here:

http://www.stevesdebianstuff.org/lilo.htm

I use it myself on the latest kernels without difficulty.  Many people believe
that modern UEFI boards don't have a BIOS for forward compatibility anymore.
That may be true in some cases.  But in other cases, the use of the "connected
standby" feature in UEFI, which is a default setting in many cases, has disabled
the Compatibility Support Module (CSM) which provides the BIOS.

LILO is not for everyone, but it is still usable in a surprising number of
situations.  I have a 64-bit machine that is only a couple of years old that
uses it.

Re: Grub won't install

[tomas]

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On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 07:54:49PM -0400, Stephen Powell wrote:
> On Wed, May 18, 2016, at 14:57, Marc Shapiro wrote:
> >
> > Lilo definitely still works with current kernels.  I started out using 
> > lilo 17 or 18 years ago and I am still using it now under Jessie and 
> > kernel vmlinuz-3.16.0-4-amd64.
> > 
> 
> I maintain a LILO web page for the benefit of Debian users here:
> 
>http://www.stevesdebianstuff.org/lilo.htm

Thank you for this!

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Re: Grub won't install

[Stephen Powell]

On Wed, May 18, 2016, at 14:57, Marc Shapiro wrote:
>
> Lilo definitely still works with current kernels.  I started out using 
> lilo 17 or 18 years ago and I am still using it now under Jessie and 
> kernel vmlinuz-3.16.0-4-amd64.
> 

I maintain a LILO web page for the benefit of Debian users here:

   http://www.stevesdebianstuff.org/lilo.htm

I use it myself on the latest kernels without difficulty.  Many people believe
that modern UEFI boards don't have a BIOS for forward compatibility anymore.
That may be true in some cases.  But in other cases, the use of the "connected
standby" feature in UEFI, which is a default setting in many cases, has disabled
the Compatibility Support Module (CSM) which provides the BIOS.

LILO is not for everyone, but it is still usable in a surprising number of
situations.  I have a 64-bit machine that is only a couple of years old that
uses it.

-- 
  .''`. Stephen Powell
 : :'  :
 `. `'`
   `-

Re: Grub won't install

[Pascal Hambourg]

Le 19/05/2016 00:58, Felix Miata a écrit :

Lisi Reisz composed on 2016-05-18 23:40 (UTC+0100):


Can one still use grub-legacy with modern kernels?


It's what I'm using for launching all my Debians, Fedoras, openSUSEs,
Mageias and more. Distros that no longer offer grub-legacy get installed
here sans bootloader and get booted from an "alien" grub-legacy.
However, all mine are either exclusively BIOS, or configured to boot a
UEFI system in BIOS compatability mode, and all are using MBR partitioning.


This is going to become more and more limiting as disks grow above 2 TiB 
requiring GPT partitioning, and newer UEFI firmwares do not have legacy 
BIOS compatibility any more.

Re: Grub won't install

[Ralph Sanchez]

For the record, at least in my experience now, grub nor lilo will install
from the Jessie netinst if you manually partition the drive instead of
guided and then editing the layout. Maybe guided sets up the MBR or sda1 in
such a way that you cant from part an? Idk but after guided parting then
customizing grub installed fine. Unfortunately, after a day of operation,
my session developed an error where it can't write to /tmp, btw I had
separate root home var and temp partition, as well as swap, and thus will
not proceed past KDE's login it just perpetually reboots.  Installing AGAIN
because nothing in recovery helped, even clearing nearly all data from
/tmp. Going to stick with just a root home and swaps partition now, mostly
so I can encrypt home from inside the Os as well as encryption preboot.
Hoping that'll solve any problems with tmp, and if not idk what to do. This
is going to be my third successful reinstall within a weekthings like
this aren't going to corrupt my entire drive will it? I also had an error
where it wouldn't mount /var but i fixed that simply by three fingers
salute reboot instead of power button on the laptop, as turning it off that
way seems to be what caused it to not remount var properly. Also, lilo
works just fine with today's systems, like one guy said. It's what I was
using before I decided to try and make a dual boot, which I gave up on as
grub simply would recognize whichever encrypted partition I installed on Os
in first once the second was installed.
On May 19, 2016 12:42 PM, "Hugo Vanwoerkom"  wrote:

> Lisi Reisz wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday 18 May 2016 19:57:00 Marc Shapiro wrote:
>>
>>> On 05/17/2016 09:13 PM, J Mo wrote:
>>>
 lilo is ultra-ancient. I don't even know if it works with modern
 kernels.

>>> Lilo definitely still works with current kernels.  I started out using
>>> lilo 17 or 18 years ago and I am still using it now under Jessie and
>>> kernel vmlinuz-3.16.0-4-amd64.
>>>
>>
>> Can one still use grub-legacy with modern kernels?
>>
>>
> Indeed. I run uptodate Sid with Super Grub Disk based on Grub 0.97-0s1 on
> a USB key of 2G.
>
> Hugo
>
>
>

Re: Grub won't install

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Lisi Reisz wrote:

On Wednesday 18 May 2016 19:57:00 Marc Shapiro wrote:

On 05/17/2016 09:13 PM, J Mo wrote:

lilo is ultra-ancient. I don't even know if it works with modern kernels.

Lilo definitely still works with current kernels.  I started out using
lilo 17 or 18 years ago and I am still using it now under Jessie and
kernel vmlinuz-3.16.0-4-amd64.


Can one still use grub-legacy with modern kernels?



Indeed. I run uptodate Sid with Super Grub Disk based on Grub 0.97-0s1 
on a USB key of 2G.


Hugo

Re: Grub won't install

[Felix Miata]

Lisi Reisz composed on 2016-05-18 23:40 (UTC+0100):


Can one still use grub-legacy with modern kernels?


It's what I'm using for launching all my Debians, Fedoras, openSUSEs, Mageias 
and more. Distros that no longer offer grub-legacy get installed here sans 
bootloader and get booted from an "alien" grub-legacy. However, all mine are 
either exclusively BIOS, or configured to boot a UEFI system in BIOS 
compatability mode, and all are using MBR partitioning.

--
"The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant
words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)

 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

Felix Miata  ***  http://fm.no-ip.com/

Re: Grub won't install

[Lisi Reisz]

On Wednesday 18 May 2016 19:57:00 Marc Shapiro wrote:
> On 05/17/2016 09:13 PM, J Mo wrote:
> > lilo is ultra-ancient. I don't even know if it works with modern kernels.
>
> Lilo definitely still works with current kernels.  I started out using
> lilo 17 or 18 years ago and I am still using it now under Jessie and
> kernel vmlinuz-3.16.0-4-amd64.

Can one still use grub-legacy with modern kernels?

Lisi

Re: Grub won't install

[Marc Shapiro]

On 05/17/2016 09:13 PM, J Mo wrote:


lilo is ultra-ancient. I don't even know if it works with modern kernels.

Lilo definitely still works with current kernels.  I started out using 
lilo 17 or 18 years ago and I am still using it now under Jessie and 
kernel vmlinuz-3.16.0-4-amd64.

Re: Grub won't install

[e Lpe]

I got the problem when installing Jessie on a computer with two hard
drives. I want to  install grub on the mbr of the second hard drive but the
installer says yes and do not install it. But it can be easely fix by Boot
Repair.

2016-05-18 0:13 GMT-04:00 J Mo <jm...@jmomo.net>:

>
> lilo is ultra-ancient. I don't even know if it works with modern kernels.
>
> Grub is definitely a huge pain in the ass. It gets an F on usability from
> me. I was struggling with it just yesterday while doing a bcache setup.
>
> You didn't say what you were dual booting with. The other OS makes a
> difference.
>
> GPT or MBR partition type?
>
> Are you using a particular HOWTO/doc on your setup?
>
> More info plz.
>
>
>
> On 05/17/2016 06:41 PM, Ralph Sanchez wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm setting up a dual boot, and installing deb Jessie first. I installed
>> it before, no problem. Now, grub won't install :( it just tells me it's a
>> fatal error and refuses to install. Will lilo work for a dual boot? I've
>> got no idea why it wouldn't work this time
>>
>>
>

Re: Grub won't install

[J Mo]

lilo is ultra-ancient. I don't even know if it works with modern kernels.

Grub is definitely a huge pain in the ass. It gets an F on usability 
from me. I was struggling with it just yesterday while doing a bcache setup.


You didn't say what you were dual booting with. The other OS makes a 
difference.


GPT or MBR partition type?

Are you using a particular HOWTO/doc on your setup?

More info plz.



On 05/17/2016 06:41 PM, Ralph Sanchez wrote:


I'm setting up a dual boot, and installing deb Jessie first. I 
installed it before, no problem. Now, grub won't install :( it just 
tells me it's a fatal error and refuses to install. Will lilo work for 
a dual boot? I've got no idea why it wouldn't work this time

Grub won't install

[Ralph Sanchez]

I'm setting up a dual boot, and installing deb Jessie first. I installed it
before, no problem. Now, grub won't install :( it just tells me it's a
fatal error and refuses to install. Will lilo work for a dual boot? I've
got no idea why it wouldn't work this time