Re: Help on strategy for debian install needed
on Fri, Feb 09, 2001 at 09:40:59AM -0800, Jaye Inabnit ke6sls ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Hi Richard, I would suggest that you DON'T install everything :) Yes, you have the room, and probably the box, but are you prepared to config many many new applications, many of which you will not even have the remotest clue what it is?! Just my 2 cents worth. Personally, I think I could get by with far far less then what a traditional install provides. When I do installs now, I just kinda peck and choose. Very strong second on this. My suggestion for a new box, particularly if network connectivity is reasonably constant, is to install *only* the base system, then apt-get individual packages (or groups at one time, or, in some cases, tasks), as you find you want some functionality. You'll find that it takes a while longer to get your system up and running (in the future you can use apt-get --get-selections file and apt-get --set-selections file to transfer package lists to other hosts), but you have much better control and a much better understanding of what you have. With Debian, it's trivial to install new software you want to explore or evaluate: 'apt-get install foo' and you've got foo. -- Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.comhttp://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of Gestalt don't you understand? There is no K5 cabal http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ http://www.kuro5hin.org pgpWM9lfWELuy.pgp Description: PGP signature
Help on strategy for debian install needed
Hi: I'm about to install Debian 2.2r2 from CDs for the first time. I have no previous Debian experience, but have some experience with Mandrake 7.0. I should really appreciate some guidance on the strategy for installation. I assume that most people selectspecific packages for installation, but my instincts are to install everything (plenty of disk space), live with it for a while, and then remove what I *know* I don't need when I'm familiar with the system. That way, I assume, I am less likely to run into some of the problems raised in this list the solution to which often seems to be to install this or that package. Are there major disadvantages with this approach? Another issue is that there are several packages I need that I know to be reasonably stable (like Blackbox 0.61) but which are not in 2.2. Am I correct that Ishould just download the deb packages for these and install them, putting them on 'hold' in dpkg? Finally, one specific query: I have a Matrox G450. There have been some comments from people implying that the drivers for this are (a) not very good (b) only work with XFree 4.xx. Could someone tell me whether this is just a 3D acceleration issue? I'm not overly concerned at the moment with 3D acceleration and would be quite happy with good 2D acceleration and XFree 3.xx. Am I likely to have any problems with getting a decent X display after installing 2.2r2? Thanks. - Richard. . Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/
Re: Help on strategy for debian install needed
On Fri, Feb 09, 2001 at 02:22:56PM -, uklinux wrote: Hi: I'm about to install Debian 2.2r2 from CDs for the first time. I have no previous Debian experience, but have some experience with Mandrake 7.0. I should really appreciate some guidance on the strategy for installation. I assume that most people select specific packages for installation, but my instincts are to install everything (plenty of disk space), live with it for a while, and then remove what I *know* I don't need when I'm familiar with the system. That way, I assume, I am less likely to run into some of the problems raised in this list the solution to which often seems to be to install this or that package. Are there major disadvantages with this approach? First off please set your mail client to wrap at 72 characters when sending to this list. I don't see any disadvantage to installing everything, if you have the HD space, in order to learn. Another issue is that there are several packages I need that I know to be reasonably stable (like Blackbox 0.61) but which are not in 2.2. Am I correct that I should just download the deb packages for these and install them, putting them on 'hold' in dpkg? You can search for available packages at - http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages You will find blackbox is .61 is listed in testing and unstable. What you could do is upgrade to say testing or if you want a more stable system you could compile the .61 source on your potato machine. Finally, one specific query: I have a Matrox G450. There have been some comments from people implying that the drivers for this are (a) not very good (b) only work with XFree 4.xx. Could someone tell me whether this is just a 3D acceleration issue? I'm not overly concerned at the moment with 3D acceleration and would be quite happy with good 2D acceleration and XFree 3.xx. Am I likely to have any problems with getting a decent X display after installing 2.2r2? I really don't have any experience with this card. I put linux Matrox G450 into google.com and the first hit was - http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.html?i=1322 seems fairly informative to me. I'm sure you can find more in the same way. hth, kent -- From seeing and seeing the seeing has become so exhausted First line of The Panther - R. M. Rilke
Re: Help on strategy for debian install needed
uklinux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I should really appreciate some guidance on the strategy for installation. I assume that most people select specific packages for installation, but my instincts are to install everything (plenty of disk space), live with it for a while, and then remove what I *know* I don't need when I'm familiar with the system. That way, I assume, I am less likely to run into some of the problems raised in this list the solution to which often seems to be to install this or that package. Are there major disadvantages with this approach? You can't install everything. :) Some packages conflict with others, such as development packages related to different versions of libraries. Debian 2.2 (potato) has the concept of tasks during installation. If you install all the tasks that even vaguely interest you, you should get a pretty complete system. Another issue is that there are several packages I need that I know to be reasonably stable (like Blackbox 0.61) but which are not in 2.2. Am I correct that I should just download the deb packages for these and install them, putting them on 'hold' in dpkg? Yes. I probably wouldn't bother putting them on hold, though; they won't be automatically downgraded or anything, and if in some months' time you find yourself upgrading to the next stable release of Debian you're likely to want the blackbox package to be automatically upgraded. Finally, one specific query: I have a Matrox G450. There have been some comments from people implying that the drivers for this are (a) not very good (b) only work with XFree 4.xx. Could someone tell me whether this is just a 3D acceleration issue? I'm not overly concerned at the moment with 3D acceleration and would be quite happy with good 2D acceleration and XFree 3.xx. Am I likely to have any problems with getting a decent X display after installing 2.2r2? The upstream X people have release notes for Matrox at http://www.xfree86.org/3.3.6/MGA1.html and http://www.xfree86.org/4.0.2/mga.4.html. They both mention G400, though neither mentions G450 specifically; I don't know enough about Matrox cards to be able to help you beyond this, I'm afraid. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First off please set your mail client to wrap at 72 characters when sending to this list. Looking at his original mail, it was indeed wrapped, although it was in quoted-printable. Perhaps your mail client displays that in a misleading way. Not posting in text and HTML would probably solve the problem ... -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Help on strategy for debian install needed
uklinux wrote: Finally, one specific query: I have a Matrox G450. There have been some co mments from people implying that the drivers for this are (a) not very good (b) only work with XFree 4.xx. Could someone tell me whether this is just a 3D acceleration issue? I'm not overly concerned at the moment with 3D acceleration and would be quite happy with good 2D acceleration and XFree 3.xx. Am I likely to have any problems with getting a decent X d isplay after installing 2.2r2? First, you need to set your line wrap to 72. I tried a G450 with Debian. IMHO if you have another video card available i would do the install with it, just to get X working quickly. From what i've read, to get a G450 working you will need XFree 4.0.2 plus the matrox drivers from the matrox site and probably have to compile both from source. A bit much on top of a newbie install IMHO. It certainly was'nt worth it for me after a couple of unsuccessful attempts. So i settled for XFree 4.0.1 with an ATI rage128 card. But read the list archives on the G450 (there is not much) to find out if its gotten any easier to install. -- ~~~
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Colin Watson) writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First off please set your mail client to wrap at 72 characters when sending to this list. Looking at his original mail, it was indeed wrapped, although it was in quoted-printable. Perhaps your mail client displays that in a misleading way. Actually, the raw mail was wrapped, so that it would be sure to pass through any mail manglers. However, the QP gunk at the end of the messages means that when decoded from QP, the message gets unwrapped. x.y.f's mailer did the right thing, since the original mail specified really long lines. -- Alan Shutko [EMAIL PROTECTED] - In a variety of flavors! Here there be tygers.
Re: Help on strategy for debian install needed
Am Freitag, 9. Februar 2001 15:22 schrieb uklinux: Finally, one specific query: I have a Matrox G450. There have been some comments from people implying that the drivers for this are (a) not very good (b) only work with XFree 4.xx. Could someone tell me whether this is just a 3D acceleration issue? I'm not overly concerned at the moment with 3D acceleration and would be quite happy with good 2D acceleration and XFree 3.xx. Am I likely to have any problems with getting a decent X display after installing 2.2r2? My G450 works great and without troubles. If have dualhead and xinerama enabled, installation was not very difficult. My system: debian-unstable with X4.0.? and the X-Server from matrox directly. andi
Re: Help on strategy for debian install needed
Hi Richard, I would suggest that you DON'T install everything :) Yes, you have the room, and probably the box, but are you prepared to config many many new applications, many of which you will not even have the remotest clue what it is?! Just my 2 cents worth. Personally, I think I could get by with far far less then what a traditional install provides. When I do installs now, I just kinda peck and choose. BTW, have fun. If you don't like what you get, wack it and do it over again :) That's the joy of owning the debian cd's! tatah On Friday 09 February 2001 06:22, uklinux wrote: Hi: I'm about to install Debian 2.2r2 from CDs for the first time. I have no previous Debian experience, but have some experience with Mandrake 7.0. I should really appreciate some guidance on the strategy for installation. I assume that most people select specific packages for installation, but my instincts are to install everything (plenty of disk space), live with it for a while, and then remove what I *know* I don't need when I'm familiar with the system. That way, I assume, I am less likely to run into some of the problems raised in this list the solution to which often seems to be to install this or that package. Are there major disadvantages with this approach? Another issue is that there are several packages I need that I know to be reasonably stable (like Blackbox 0.61) but which are not in 2.2. Am I correct that I should just download the deb packages for these and install them, putting them on 'hold' in dpkg? Finally, one specific query: I have a Matrox G450. There have been some comments from people implying that the drivers for this are (a) not very good (b) only work with XFree 4.xx. Could someone tell me whether this is just a 3D acceleration issue? I'm not overly concerned at the moment with 3D acceleration and would be quite happy with good 2D acceleration and XFree 3.xx. Am I likely to have any problems with getting a decent X display after installing 2.2r2? Thanks. - Richard. . Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1; name=Attachment: 1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: -- Jaye Inabnit, ARS ke6sls e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 707-442-6579 h/m 707-268-4074 http://www.qsl.net/ke6slsICQ# 12741145 This mail composed with kmail on kde on X on linux warped by debian If it's stupid, but works, it ain't stupid.
Re: Help on strategy for debian install needed
Are there major disadvantages with this approach? First off please set your mail client to wrap at 72 characters when sending to this list. Sorry, but I'm using an unfamiliar Windows machine.I hope this reply is better. Thanks for your comments. Finally, one specific query: I have a Matrox G450. There have been some comments from people implying that the drivers for this are (a) not very good (b) only work with XFree 4.xx. Could someone tell me whether this is just a 3D acceleration issue? I'm not overly concerned at the moment with 3D acceleration and would be quite happy with good 2D acceleration and XFree 3.xx. Am I likely to have any problems with getting a decent X display after installing 2.2r2? I really don't have any experience with this card. I put linux Matrox G450 into google.com and the first hit was - http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.html?i=1322 seems fairly informative to me. I'm sure you can find more in the same Of course, I did this before posting, and indeed looked at that page, but it didn't seem to answer my specific query. Other posts to this list seemed to imply there were problems. My concern is whether they are just related to 3D acceleration. And whether I can use the G450 with 2.2r2 just using 2D. - Richard. . Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/
