Re: Help please - install the WiFi driver

2013-03-05 Thread lina
I have not went through all the replies.

Regardless those questions, one basic question is that

What is your wireless card.

try $ lspci

If your laptop is not so new, basically it has very well support.
check the kernel support first. If none, then look for the further
solutions.


On Monday 04,March,2013 03:53 AM, Mark Filipak wrote:
> My objective:
> Install WiFi driver into Debian+LXDE so that I can connect to the Internet.
> 
> My problem:
> All the help I can find covers installing packages over the Internet.
> But I can't install packages over the Internet because I can't reach the
> Internet until I've installed the driver (not part of Debian because
> it's non-free) and a Network Manager (apparently, not part of
> Debian+LXDE ...or at least I can't find it under System Tools ...I think
> that's what the menu item is named).
> 
> Packages I have:
> aptitude_0.6.3-3.2+squeeze1_amd64.deb// Debian - Package Manager
> firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+squeeze1_all.deb   // Debian - WiFi Drivers
> synaptic_0.70~pre1+b1_amd64.deb  // Debian - Package Manager
> wicd_1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3_all.deb// Debian (all but Gnome) -
> Network Manager
> wireless-tools_30~pre9-5_amd64.deb   // Debian - WiFi Tools
> 
> Documentation I have:
> (copied off the Internet and saved where I can get to them when I'm in
> Debian+LXDE...)
> "How to use a WiFi interface" (http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse)
> "Intel PRO-Wireless 3945 and WiFi Link 4965 devices"
> (http://wiki.debian.org/iwlegacy)
> "WiFi Ad-hoc Network" (http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/AdHoc)
> "iwconfig" (http://wiki.debian.org/iwconfig)
> iwconfig man page as a text file.
> 
> BTW, before I go on, I already tried opening a file manager (in
> Debian+LXDE) and simply double-clicking one of the .deb files. Nothing
> happened.
> 
> I don't know what to do or what I'll need once I'm booted back into
> Debian+LXDE ...remember: I won't have Internet. Assuming that I'll need
> to know how to run a Package Manager, I've looked at the following
> (http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/index.en.html#contents):
> 
> (Before listing the contents of the appropriate section of debian-faq
> below, I need to say that I really, really tried to read this stuff. My
> eyes glazed over. I looked for something like "how to install a deb
> binary" but couldn't find it. As I read the details of what I couldn't
> relate to and what I didn't understand and what I don't really care
> about - God created the Earth in 6 days so that we could argue over it
> forever after - I had my hands full simply trying to stay awake. Forgive
> me but I don't want to know the excruciating details of Linux and how it
> works. I'm not going to stand back after a year of study saying, "My,
> that's wonderful!". I... don't... care. I'm here to use Linux, not to
> praise it. My objective is to copy stuff I *might* need for offline use.)
> 
> 7 Basics of the Debian package management system
> 7.1 What is a Debian package?
> 7.2 What is the format of a Debian binary package?
> 7.3 Why are Debian package file names so long?
> 7.4 What is a Debian control file?
> 7.5 What is a Debian conffile?
> 7.6 What is a Debian preinst, postinst, prerm, and postrm script?
> 7.7 What is an Essential, Required, Important, Standard, Optional, or
> Extra package?
> 7.8 What is a Virtual Package?
> 7.9 What is meant by saying that a package Depends, Recommends,
> Suggests, Conflicts, Replaces, Breaks or Provides another package?
> 7.10 What is meant by Pre-Depends?
> 7.11 What is meant by unknown, install, remove, purge and hold in the
> package status?
> 7.12 How do I put a package on hold?
> 7.13 How do I install a source package?
> 7.14 How do I build binary packages from a source package?
> 7.15 How do I create Debian packages myself?
> 8 The Debian package management tools
> 8.1 What programs does Debian provide for managing its packages?
> 8.1.1 dpkg
> 8.1.2 APT
> 8.1.3 aptitude
> 8.1.4 synaptic
> 8.1.5 tasksel
> 8.1.6 Other package management tools
> 8.2 Debian claims to be able to update a running program; how is this
> accomplished?
> 8.3 How can I tell what packages are already installed on a Debian system?
> 8.4 How to display the files of a package installed?
> 8.5 How can I find out what package produced a particular file?
> 8.6 Why doesn't get `foo-data' removed when I uninstall `foo'? How do I
> make sure old unused library-packages get purged?
> 9 Keeping your Debian system up-to-date
> 9.1 How can I keep my Debian system current?
> 9.1.1 aptitude
> 9.1.2 apt-get, dselect and apt-cdrom
> 9.1.3 aptitude
> 9.1.4 mirror
> 9.1.5 dpkg-mountable
> 9.2 Must I go into single user mode in order to upgrade a package?
> 9.3 Do I have to keep all those .deb archive files on my disk?
> 9.4 How can I keep a log of the packages I added to the system? I'd like
> to know when which package upgrades and removals have occured!
> 9.5 Can I automatically update the system?
> 9.6 I have several machines how can I dow

Re: Help please - install the WiFi driver

2013-03-05 Thread Chris Bannister
On Tue, Mar 05, 2013 at 10:17:11AM +, Darac Marjal wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 05, 2013 at 06:49:34PM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote:
> > On Sun, Mar 03, 2013 at 11:23:49PM +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > From the directory that the deb is in:
> > > dpkg -i wicd_1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3_all.deb
> > > 
> > > If it complains that there are missing dependencies, curse, wish you had 
> > > used 
> > > aptitude, and install them. 
> > 
> > Get the dependencies the same way you got
> > wicd_1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3_all.deb "rinse and repeat"
> > 
> > Watch out for circular dependencies, for that you need
> > 
> > "dpkg -i package1.deb package2.deb" where package1 and package2 are the
> > two packages involved. Adjust if necessary for more than two packages
> > involved.
> 
> It's a lot easier to do this with apt-zip.

or apt-offline. But in this case, for the sake of half a dozen or so
packages it might be too much bother.

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Re: Help please - install the WiFi driver

2013-03-05 Thread Darac Marjal
On Tue, Mar 05, 2013 at 06:49:34PM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 03, 2013 at 11:23:49PM +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > From the directory that the deb is in:
> > dpkg -i wicd_1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3_all.deb
> > 
> > If it complains that there are missing dependencies, curse, wish you had 
> > used 
> > aptitude, and install them. 
> 
> Get the dependencies the same way you got
> wicd_1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3_all.deb "rinse and repeat"
> 
> Watch out for circular dependencies, for that you need
> 
> "dpkg -i package1.deb package2.deb" where package1 and package2 are the
> two packages involved. Adjust if necessary for more than two packages
> involved.

It's a lot easier to do this with apt-zip.



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Re: Help please - install the WiFi driver

2013-03-05 Thread Helmut Wollmersdorfer




Am 03.03.2013 um 22:20 schrieb Joe:


Network manager is not actually necessary to do anything, and until
recently it had a rather poor reputation, usually being known as  
Notwork

Manager. It's quite big and overbearing, and has many plug-ins, for
OpenVPN, wi-fi, 3G dongles and other things. It does seem to work  
these

days, or at least the Sid version does. I don't have it on my
workstation, which is a purely wired-Ethernet machine, but both my
laptop and netbook have it.


In my standard installation [1] of squeeze + Gnome WiFi and 3G works  
out of the box.


[1] Bootet netinstall from WinXP, DHCP over ethernet-cable. Booting  
from Win was convenient, because this netbook (Acer one) has no CD- 
drive, and I had no empty USB stick available.


Helmut Wollmersdorfer


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Re: Help please - install the WiFi driver

2013-03-04 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, Mar 03, 2013 at 07:06:13PM -0500, Mark Filipak wrote:
> I tried to install  wicd.
[...] 
> I see that there are uninstalled dependencies:
> wicd-daemon (= 1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3)
> wicd-gtk (= 1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3)
> wicd-curses (= 1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3)
> wicd-cli (= 1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3)
> wicd-client
> 
> I don't know what to do, so I'll wait for some nice person to give me
> a push in a particular direction (and hope that it's not towards a
> cliff).

The best way, IMHO, is visit:
http://packages.debian.org/packagename

e.g. 
http://packages.debian.org/wicd-daemon

Just remember to choose/click the stable/squeeze choice(s)

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Re: Help please - install the WiFi driver

2013-03-04 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, Mar 03, 2013 at 02:53:37PM -0500, Mark Filipak wrote:
> My objective:
> Install WiFi driver into Debian+LXDE so that I can connect to the Internet.

To be more exact, the wifi driver is installed so the kernel can talk to
the wireless hardware. IOW, the procedure is the same whether you have
Gnome, XFCE, LXDE, KDE or even no X environment at all.


> My problem:
> All the help I can find covers installing packages over the Internet.

First step:
Determine the chipset of your wireless card, then you'll be able to
determine the driver necessary so the kernel can "talk" to that chipset.

There are various ways, but the usual way which I use is the lspci
command:

e.g. 
lspci -k

Please don't post the whole output, obviously information about your
graphics chipset, or your northbridge chipset, is not relevant to this
issue.

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Re: Help please - install the WiFi driver

2013-03-04 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, Mar 03, 2013 at 11:23:49PM +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> From the directory that the deb is in:
> dpkg -i wicd_1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3_all.deb
> 
> If it complains that there are missing dependencies, curse, wish you had used 
> aptitude, and install them. 

Get the dependencies the same way you got
wicd_1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3_all.deb "rinse and repeat"

Watch out for circular dependencies, for that you need

"dpkg -i package1.deb package2.deb" where package1 and package2 are the
two packages involved. Adjust if necessary for more than two packages
involved.

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Re: Help please - install the WiFi driver

2013-03-04 Thread João Luis Meloni Assirati

Em 04-03-2013 05:39, Roman V.Leon. escreveu:

On 04.03.2013 03:04, Mark Filipak wrote:

On 2013/3/3 4:34 PM, Roman V.Leon. wrote:
-big snip-

Why do you think you need a special driver?
Please type "/sbin/ifconfig -a" in your terminal to check whether you
have "wlan0" device or not in the list.


mark@MarkFilipak:/media/usb8/Setup/Debian 6.0.6 64-bit/Packages$
/sbin/ifconfig -a
eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:18:8b:dc:30:fd
BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
RX bytes:0 (0.0 B) TX bytes:0 (0.0 B)
Interrupt:18

lo Link encap:Local Loopback
inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0
inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host
UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1
RX packets:24 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:24 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
RX bytes:1696 (1.6 KiB) TX bytes:1696 (1.6 KiB)

pan0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr ba:3e:86:e1:5a:91
BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
RX bytes:0 (0.0 B) TX bytes:0 (0.0 B)

wlan0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:1b:77:80:2d:b9
BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
RX bytes:0 (0.0 B) TX bytes:0 (0.0 B)

Well, 00:1b:77:80:2d:b9 is indeed the WiFi's NIC. So why can't I get to
the Ethernet, and why does everything I see on the Internet (when I'm in
Windows of course) say that I must obtain an Intel 3945ABG driver
because it's non-free? "...Come to me and fall on thy knees, and I will
set thee free!"




Hi again Mark,
I'm not sure why all the articles you've found require you a special 
driver(though it can be a serious reason for this). But i think that 
if you have wlan0 interface you do not need anything else on your 
system. There are a lot of software with GUI(NetworkManager, Wicd, 
...)which could help you to manage your wifi interface, but I think 
you can read about it later when you find some time. To get internet 
working you can use wpa_supplicant tool, it is a CLI tool, but it is 
very easy. At first you should create a config-file with such content:

---
network={
ssid="home"
scan_ssid=1
key_mgmt=WPA-PSK
psk="very secret passphrase"
}
---
Rename this file as wpa_supplicant.conf. I think that content is more 
or less clear and you can adjust these parameters according your own 
needs. Then you can start your wi-fi card by command:


sudo /sbin/wpa_supplicant -cwpa_supplicant.conf -iwlan0

I think the command is also easy to understand. I hope that after 
these actions you'll get your wifi working till next reboot. Probably 
you will need to assign an IP-address manually to your NIC.


I'd recommend you to read the man pages:
1) man wpa_supplicant
2) man wpa_supplicant.conf
And download an excellent book which you'll find here:
http://debian-handbook.info/
You can read it from time to time when you are in a public transport 
and I think it will be a kind of an eye-opener for you.




Just to be recorded on the list:

There is no evidence that wireless did not work out of the box. Probably 
the firmware package was not required. The network interface wlan0 was 
already present and only a GUI for the wireless connection was missing. 
The need to install a GUI for wireless network was probably due to the 
user option to a non-standard desktop (LXDE) instead of the better 
supported and more featureful Gnome and KDE. However, wireless 
configuration was possible out of the box with the standard text mode 
utility wpa_supplicant.



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Re: Help please - install the WiFi driver

2013-03-04 Thread Joe
On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 21:14:32 -0500
Mark Filipak  wrote:

> On 2013/3/3 8:16 PM, Mr G wrote:
> -snip-
> > $ id
> -snip-
> > $ sudo updatedb
> -snip-
> > $ mlocate firmware-iwlwfi.deb
> -snip-
> > $ pwd
> 
> Look at the terminal session below
> 
> =
> mark@MarkFilipak:/media/usb8/Setup/Debian 6.0.6 64-bit/Packages$ su
> Password:
> 
> root@MarkFilipak:/media/usb8/Setup/Debian 6.0.6 64-bit/Packages# dpkg
> -i firmware-iwlwifi.deb dpkg: error processing firmware-iwlwifi.deb
> (--install): cannot access archive: No such file or directory
> Errors were encountered while processing:
>   firmware-iwlwifi.deb
> 
> root@MarkFilipak:/media/usb8/Setup/Debian 6.0.6 64-bit/Packages# dpkg
> -i firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+squeeze1_all.deb Selecting previously
> deselected package firmware-iwlwifi. (Reading database ... 68697
> files and directories currently installed.) Unpacking
> firmware-iwlwifi (from firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+squeeze1_all.deb) ...
> Setting up firmware-iwlwifi (0.28+squeeze1) ... =
> 
> I don't think it's necessary for me to 'mlocate' or 'pwd', do you?
> 'firmware-iwlwifi.deb' is not right. It has to be
> 'firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+squeeze1_all.deb'
> 
> This is the first real progress I've made since the installation
> succeeded. Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Now, regarding a network
> manager, the terminal session below is from about 2 hours ago. Can
> you help with it?
> 
> =
> root@MarkFilipak:/media/usb8/Setup/Debian 6.0.6 64-bit/Packages# dpkg
> -i wicd_1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3_all.deb Selecting previously deselected
> package wicd. (Reading database ... 68689 files and directories
> currently installed.) Unpacking wicd (from
> wicd_1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3_all.deb) ... dpkg: dependency problems
> prevent configuration of wicd: wicd depends on wicd-daemon (=
> 1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3); however: Package wicd-daemon is not installed.
>   wicd depends on wicd-gtk (= 1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3) | wicd-curses (=
> 1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3) | wicd-cli (= 1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3) |
> wicd-client; however: Package wicd-gtk is not installed. Package
> wicd-curses is not installed. Package wicd-cli is not installed.
>Package wicd-client is not installed.
> dpkg: error processing wicd (--install):
>   dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
> Errors were encountered while processing:
>   wicd
> =
> 
> There are uninstalled dependencies:
> wicd-daemon (= 1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3)
> wicd-gtk (= 1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3)
> wicd-curses (= 1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3)
> wicd-cli (= 1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3)
> wicd-client
> 
> When I do a google search for "1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3" I find lots of
> stuff (too much stuff), including Python - gee, I've written Python
> server code - is that needed for this? Python aside, I don't know
> what to do next, so I'll wait for a push in a particular direction
> (and hope that it's not towards a cliff).
> 

No, it means the 1.7 version of each package named. Dependencies are
usually of the form 'needs this or later version', so you don't know
for sure if you don't have those packages at all, or just that your
installed version is too old. Since wicd wasn't installed, the former
is more likely.

This is why we don't use dpkg unless we have to, and at the moment, you
have to. The apt tools all work on complete Debian repositories, and
mostly can work out and load all the dependencies of something you ask
for. dpkg can only install the file you give it, so it just tells you
when there are missing dependencies.

The Debian website can tell you full details of each package, and what
its dependencies are, but it's hard work doing it that way, one file
at a time. Do you still have the install medium, and can you access
that from the Debian system? If so, most of what you want will be on
there. 

The most important file in the apt system is /etc/apt/sources.list. It
should contain lines showing which repositories are in use, mostly in
pairs, beginning 'deb' and 'deb-src' for compiled and source code
packages. At the top of the list should be two commented lines that
refer to the installation medium, they get commented out when the
installation is complete, and working Internet repositories added. Try
uncommenting those two lines, plugging in the install medium and seeing
if the apt tools give you what you need. If it was a CD, there would be
no doubt, but the uncertainties of USB mounting and naming may still
give you a bit of trouble.

There was once just a Debian CD1, which contained nearly everything a
standard installation would need, but as software got bigger, and fewer
people wanted Gnome or KDE, the ISOs have changed in nature. So I'm not
certain that your installation medium does contain wicd and its
dependencies, but that is the way I would bet.

*  *  *

OK, I've looked, wicd-daemon (server) and wicd-gtk (the GUI client) are
on the CD image, and they are the only actual dependencies (wicd is
itself a virtual package, containing no code itself, and brings in the
daemon and one of the clients, -gtk in

Re: Help please - install the WiFi driver

2013-03-04 Thread Roman V.Leon.

On 04.03.2013 03:04, Mark Filipak wrote:

On 2013/3/3 4:34 PM, Roman V.Leon. wrote:
-big snip-

Why do you think you need a special driver?
Please type "/sbin/ifconfig -a" in your terminal to check whether you
have "wlan0" device or not in the list.


mark@MarkFilipak:/media/usb8/Setup/Debian 6.0.6 64-bit/Packages$
/sbin/ifconfig -a
eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:18:8b:dc:30:fd
BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
RX bytes:0 (0.0 B) TX bytes:0 (0.0 B)
Interrupt:18

lo Link encap:Local Loopback
inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0
inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host
UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1
RX packets:24 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:24 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
RX bytes:1696 (1.6 KiB) TX bytes:1696 (1.6 KiB)

pan0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr ba:3e:86:e1:5a:91
BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
RX bytes:0 (0.0 B) TX bytes:0 (0.0 B)

wlan0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:1b:77:80:2d:b9
BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
RX bytes:0 (0.0 B) TX bytes:0 (0.0 B)

Well, 00:1b:77:80:2d:b9 is indeed the WiFi's NIC. So why can't I get to
the Ethernet, and why does everything I see on the Internet (when I'm in
Windows of course) say that I must obtain an Intel 3945ABG driver
because it's non-free? "...Come to me and fall on thy knees, and I will
set thee free!"




Hi again Mark,
I'm not sure why all the articles you've found require you a special 
driver(though it can be a serious reason for this). But i think that if 
you have wlan0 interface you do not need anything else on your system. 
There are a lot of software with GUI(NetworkManager, Wicd, ...)which 
could help you to manage your wifi interface, but I think you can read 
about it later when you find some time. To get internet working you can 
use wpa_supplicant tool, it is a CLI tool, but it is very easy. At first 
you should create a config-file with such content:

---
network={
ssid="home"
scan_ssid=1
key_mgmt=WPA-PSK
psk="very secret passphrase"
}
---
Rename this file as wpa_supplicant.conf. I think that content is more or 
less clear and you can adjust these parameters according your own needs. 
Then you can start your wi-fi card by command:


sudo /sbin/wpa_supplicant -cwpa_supplicant.conf -iwlan0

I think the command is also easy to understand. I hope that after these 
actions you'll get your wifi working till next reboot. Probably you will 
need to assign an IP-address manually to your NIC.


I'd recommend you to read the man pages:
1) man wpa_supplicant
2) man wpa_supplicant.conf
And download an excellent book which you'll find here:
http://debian-handbook.info/
You can read it from time to time when you are in a public transport and 
I think it will be a kind of an eye-opener for you.


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Re: Help please - install the WiFi driver [SOLVED]

2013-03-03 Thread Mark Filipak

Get the WiFi driver.
- Go to http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi and look for a link related to your WiFi 
device.
  My WiFi device is an Intel PRO/Wireless 3945 and the link is labeled 
'ipw3945'.
  Yours will probably be different.
- Taking the device-related link takes you to the Debian Wiki page for your 
desired
  driver. For the ipw3945 that page is http://wiki.debian.org/ipw3945.
  On that page is a notice: "Non-free firmware is required, which can be 
provided
   by the  package."
- If you encounter such a notice, take link to get to a search results page
  (identifiable by the phrase "Exact hits") and select yet one more link for the
  codename of your Debian (in my case, this codename is "Squeeze").
- The final page contains the download link for the driver. Save the driver to a
  folder where it will be available while running Debian. In my case, the 
driver is
  named firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+squeeze1_all.deb.

Install the WiFi driver.
- In the target Debian system, browse to the folder where you saved the driver.
- Open a terminal window and enter this command:
 su
  Note: you will be prompted for the root user's password - the installer needs 
to
  run with root privilege and this is how to elevate your privilege to root 
level.
- Then enter this command:
 dpkg -i firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+squeeze1_all.deb
  Note: replace "firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+squeeze1_all.deb" with the actual name of
  your driver. If the system responds with something like this:
 Selecting previously deselected package firmware-iwlwifi.
 (Reading database ... 68697 files and directories currently installed.)
 Unpacking firmware-iwlwifi (from firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+squeeze1_all.deb) 
...
 Setting up firmware-iwlwifi (0.28+squeeze1) ...
  your driver is installed.


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Re: Help please - install the WiFi driver

2013-03-03 Thread Mr G
root@MarkFilipak:/media/usb8/S
etup/Debian 6.0.6 64-bit/Packages# dpkg -i
firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+squeeze1_all.deb
Selecting previously deselected package firmware-iwlwifi.
(Reading database ... 68697 files and directories currently installed.)
Unpacking firmware-iwlwifi (from firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+squeeze1_all.deb) ...
Setting up firmware-iwlwifi (0.28+squeeze1) ...
=


That means it is installed and this thread is solved. You should now be
able to use the network software that can with the install. If you other
problems, start a new thread. That way other users with your problem will
be able to search the archives.


On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 9:51 PM, Mark Filipak wrote:

> On 2013/3/3 9:21 PM, Mr G wrote:
>
>> If I didn't think it was necessary I wouldn't have asked you to run the
>> commands.
>>
>
> Quite right. My error. For convenience, I've added blank lines between
> commands and I added one command.
>
> =
> mark@MarkFilipak:/media/usb8/**Setup/Debian 6.0.6 64-bit/Packages$ id
> uid=1000(mark) gid=1000(mark) groups=1000(mark),24(cdrom),**
> 25(floppy),29(audio),30(dip),**44(video),46(plugdev),108(**
> netdev),115(powerdev),116(**scanner),119(bluetooth)
>
> mark@MarkFilipak:/media/usb8/**Setup/Debian 6.0.6 64-bit/Packages$ sudo
> updatedb
> [sudo] password for mark:
> mark is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
>
> mark@MarkFilipak:/media/usb8/**Setup/Debian 6.0.6 64-bit/Packages$
> mlocate firmware-iwlwifi.deb
>
> mark@MarkFilipak:/media/usb8/**Setup/Debian 6.0.6 64-bit/Packages$
> mlocate firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+**squeeze1_all.deb
>
> mark@MarkFilipak:/media/usb8/**Setup/Debian 6.0.6 64-bit/Packages$ pwd
> /media/usb8/Setup/Debian 6.0.6 64-bit/Packages
> =
>
> Is this what you expected?
>
> Ciao - Mark.
>
>


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Re: Help please - install the WiFi driver

2013-03-03 Thread Mark Filipak

On 2013/3/3 8:16 PM, Mr G wrote:
-snip-

$ id

-snip-

$ sudo updatedb

-snip-

$ mlocate firmware-iwlwfi.deb

-snip-

$ pwd


Look at the terminal session below

=
mark@MarkFilipak:/media/usb8/Setup/Debian 6.0.6 64-bit/Packages$ su
Password:

root@MarkFilipak:/media/usb8/Setup/Debian 6.0.6 64-bit/Packages# dpkg -i 
firmware-iwlwifi.deb
dpkg: error processing firmware-iwlwifi.deb (--install):
 cannot access archive: No such file or directory
Errors were encountered while processing:
 firmware-iwlwifi.deb

root@MarkFilipak:/media/usb8/Setup/Debian 6.0.6 64-bit/Packages# dpkg -i 
firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+squeeze1_all.deb
Selecting previously deselected package firmware-iwlwifi.
(Reading database ... 68697 files and directories currently installed.)
Unpacking firmware-iwlwifi (from firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+squeeze1_all.deb) ...
Setting up firmware-iwlwifi (0.28+squeeze1) ...
=

I don't think it's necessary for me to 'mlocate' or 'pwd', do you?
'firmware-iwlwifi.deb' is not right. It has to be 
'firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+squeeze1_all.deb'

This is the first real progress I've made since the installation succeeded. 
Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!
Now, regarding a network manager, the terminal session below is from about 2 
hours ago. Can you help with it?

=
root@MarkFilipak:/media/usb8/Setup/Debian 6.0.6 64-bit/Packages# dpkg -i 
wicd_1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3_all.deb
Selecting previously deselected package wicd.
(Reading database ... 68689 files and directories currently installed.)
Unpacking wicd (from wicd_1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3_all.deb) ...
dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of wicd:
 wicd depends on wicd-daemon (= 1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3); however:
  Package wicd-daemon is not installed.
 wicd depends on wicd-gtk (= 1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3) | wicd-curses (= 
1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3) | wicd-cli (= 1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3) | wicd-client; 
however:
  Package wicd-gtk is not installed.
  Package wicd-curses is not installed.
  Package wicd-cli is not installed.
  Package wicd-client is not installed.
dpkg: error processing wicd (--install):
 dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
Errors were encountered while processing:
 wicd
=

There are uninstalled dependencies:
wicd-daemon (= 1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3)
wicd-gtk (= 1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3)
wicd-curses (= 1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3)
wicd-cli (= 1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3)
wicd-client

When I do a google search for "1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3" I find lots of stuff (too 
much stuff), including Python - gee, I've written Python server code - is that needed for 
this? Python aside, I don't know what to do next, so I'll wait for a push in a particular 
direction (and hope that it's not towards a cliff).

Ciao - Mark (who's going to go out and catch some food for a little while).


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Re: Help please - install the WiFi driver

2013-03-03 Thread Mark Filipak

On 2013/3/3 7:22 PM, Mr G wrote:

Good. You found the problem.

< Package `firmware-iwlwifi' is not installed and no info is available.

So now you need to get you and firmware-iwlwifi.deb in the same directory.


=
mark@MarkFilipak:/media/usb8/Setup/Debian 6.0.6 64-bit/Packages$ dpkg -s 
firmware-iwlwifi
Package `firmware-iwlwifi' is not installed and no info is available.
Use dpkg --info (= dpkg-deb --info) to examine archive files,
and dpkg --contents (= dpkg-deb --contents) to list their contents.
mark@MarkFilipak:/media/usb8/Setup/Debian 6.0.6 64-bit/Packages$ dpkg -s 
firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+squeeze1_all
Package `firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+squeeze1_all' is not installed and no info is 
available.
Use dpkg --info (= dpkg-deb --info) to examine archive files,
and dpkg --contents (= dpkg-deb --contents) to list their contents.
mark@MarkFilipak:/media/usb8/Setup/Debian 6.0.6 64-bit/Packages$ dpkg -s 
firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+squeeze1_all.deb
Package `firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+squeeze1_all.deb' is not installed and no info 
is available.
Use dpkg --info (= dpkg-deb --info) to examine archive files,
and dpkg --contents (= dpkg-deb --contents) to list their contents.
mark@MarkFilipak:/media/usb8/Setup/Debian 6.0.6 64-bit/Packages$
=

Yes, as you can see from the terminal session above, the CWD is
   'mark@MarkFilipak:/media/usb8/Setup/Debian 6.0.6 64-bit/Packages'.
I guess that's really
   '/home/mark/media/usb8/Setup/Debian 6.0.6 64-bit/Packages'
but I'm not really sure.

-snip-

$ sudo dpkg -i firmware-iwlwifi.deb

as a regular user or:

# dpkg -i firmware-iwlwifi.deb

as root. Again I don't know how you answered the questions when you
installed.


Aside from my name, password, and time zone, the installer didn't ask any 
questions (Thank doG!).
In my previous encounters with Linux, the installer asked a million questions as though I 
knew what the stuff was and disk space was incredibly expensive. I just answered 'Yes' to 
everything, and then I wound up with a non-working system. That's why I wrote "I've 
never successfully installed Linux" last week. That brought the wrath of the 
Linux-stuffedshirtkingdom down on me and I had to run for the hills.

As you can see from the terminal session above, I was not alerted to run as 
root. When I tried 'Aptitude' a hour or so ago, I was alerted to run as root, 
but this time, no.

I'll go back and try running 'dpkg' as root, but you said that 'dpkg' is not an 
installer, so I'm confused regarding why I'm doing it. I'll be back in a few 
minutes.

Ciao - Mark.


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Re: Help please - install the WiFi driver

2013-03-03 Thread Mr G
Good. You found the problem.

< Package `firmware-iwlwifi' is not installed and no info is available.

So now you need to get you and firmware-iwlwifi.deb in the same directory.
Really you don't -- but let's keep it simple ;)

If you don't know how do:

$ man cd

Once you and the package are together then do the

$ sudo dpkg -i firmware-iwlwifi.deb

as a regular user or:

# dpkg -i firmware-iwlwifi.deb

as root. Again I don't know how you answered the questions when you
installed. You can type

$ id

and it will tell you what groups you are in. To execute the command as
normal user using sudo
you will need to be in the group named sudo.



On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 6:10 PM, Mr G  wrote:

> No, dpkg -s just simply tells you if it is installed.  If it's not then:
>
> $ cd 
> is then:
>
> $ sudo dpkg -i firmware-iwlwifi.deb
>
> or
>
> # dpkg -i firmware-iwlwifi.deb
>
> There should have been one installed by default. If it is installed then
> you can move onto the next step which would be configuring your network.
> That works exactly the same as any other desktop. Find the icon and click
> or right click and pick your network or adjust settings. I can't remember,
> it's been several years since I used a network manager.
>
> Also for future reference, you may want to install the gdebi package or
> check your menu to see if it is installed. It will do the same thing as
> dpkg -i except it is a graphical program like you are used to and you will
> be able to install .deb packages from your file manager by clicking on them
> like you are used to using. I find such things to just simply get in my way
> but to each their own.
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Mark Filipak 
> wrote:
>
>> On 2013/3/3 6:10 PM, Mr G wrote:
>>
>>> You need the firmware-iwlwifi package.
>>>
>>> # dpkg -s firmware-iwlwifi
>>>
>>
>> You mean this one:
>>
>> firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+**squeeze1_all.deb   // Debian - WiFi Drivers
>>
>> It's on my list.
>>
>> Do I really install it with this:
>>
>> dpkg -s firmware-iwlwifi
>>
>> or this:
>>
>> dpkg -s firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+**squeeze1_all
>>
>> or this:
>>
>> dpkg -s firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+**squeeze1_all.deb
>>
>> ?
>>
>> Oh, never mind. I'll try all 3.
>>
>>
>
>
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>



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Re: Help please - install the WiFi driver

2013-03-03 Thread Mr G
No, dpkg -s just simply tells you if it is installed.  If it's not then:

$ cd wrote:

> On 2013/3/3 6:10 PM, Mr G wrote:
>
>> You need the firmware-iwlwifi package.
>>
>> # dpkg -s firmware-iwlwifi
>>
>
> You mean this one:
>
> firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+**squeeze1_all.deb   // Debian - WiFi Drivers
>
> It's on my list.
>
> Do I really install it with this:
>
> dpkg -s firmware-iwlwifi
>
> or this:
>
> dpkg -s firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+**squeeze1_all
>
> or this:
>
> dpkg -s firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+**squeeze1_all.deb
>
> ?
>
> Oh, never mind. I'll try all 3.
>
>


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Re: Help please - install the WiFi driver

2013-03-03 Thread Mark Filipak

I tried to install  wicd.

=
mark@MarkFilipak:/media/usb8/Setup/Debian 6.0.6 64-bit/Packages$ dpkg -i 
wicd_1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3_all.deb
dpkg: requested operation requires superuser privilege
mark@MarkFilipak:/media/usb8/Setup/Debian 6.0.6 64-bit/Packages$ su
Password:
root@MarkFilipak:/media/usb8/Setup/Debian 6.0.6 64-bit/Packages# dpkg -i 
wicd_1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3_all.deb
Selecting previously deselected package wicd.
(Reading database ... 68689 files and directories currently installed.)
Unpacking wicd (from wicd_1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3_all.deb) ...
dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of wicd:
 wicd depends on wicd-daemon (= 1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3); however:
  Package wicd-daemon is not installed.
 wicd depends on wicd-gtk (= 1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3) | wicd-curses (= 
1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3) | wicd-cli (= 1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3) | wicd-client; 
however:
  Package wicd-gtk is not installed.
  Package wicd-curses is not installed.
  Package wicd-cli is not installed.
  Package wicd-client is not installed.
dpkg: error processing wicd (--install):
 dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
Errors were encountered while processing:
 wicd
root@MarkFilipak:/media/usb8/Setup/Debian 6.0.6 64-bit/Packages#
=

I see that there are uninstalled dependencies:
wicd-daemon (= 1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3)
wicd-gtk (= 1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3)
wicd-curses (= 1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3)
wicd-cli (= 1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3)
wicd-client

When I do a google search for "1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3" I find lots of stuff, 
including Python - gee, I've written Python server code - is that needed for this?

I don't know what to do, so I'll wait for some nice person to give me a push in 
a particular direction (and hope that it's not towards a cliff).

Ciao - Mark.


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Re: Help please - install the WiFi driver

2013-03-03 Thread Mark Filipak

On 2013/3/3 6:48 PM, Mark Filipak wrote:

On 2013/3/3 6:10 PM, Mr G wrote:

You need the firmware-iwlwifi package.

# dpkg -s firmware-iwlwifi


You mean this one:
firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+squeeze1_all.deb   // Debian - WiFi Drivers

It's on my list.

Do I really install it with this:

dpkg -s firmware-iwlwifi

or this:

dpkg -s firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+squeeze1_all

or this:

dpkg -s firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+squeeze1_all.deb

?

Oh, never mind. I'll try all 3.


I don't quite know what to make of the results, but I did as you asked (I 
think).
=
mark@MarkFilipak:/media/usb8/Setup/Debian 6.0.6 64-bit/Packages$ dpkg -s 
firmware-iwlwifi
Package `firmware-iwlwifi' is not installed and no info is available.
Use dpkg --info (= dpkg-deb --info) to examine archive files,
and dpkg --contents (= dpkg-deb --contents) to list their contents.
mark@MarkFilipak:/media/usb8/Setup/Debian 6.0.6 64-bit/Packages$ dpkg -s 
firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+squeeze1_all
Package `firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+squeeze1_all' is not installed and no info is 
available.
Use dpkg --info (= dpkg-deb --info) to examine archive files,
and dpkg --contents (= dpkg-deb --contents) to list their contents.
mark@MarkFilipak:/media/usb8/Setup/Debian 6.0.6 64-bit/Packages$ dpkg -s 
firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+squeeze1_all.deb
Package `firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+squeeze1_all.deb' is not installed and no info 
is available.
Use dpkg --info (= dpkg-deb --info) to examine archive files,
and dpkg --contents (= dpkg-deb --contents) to list their contents.
mark@MarkFilipak:/media/usb8/Setup/Debian 6.0.6 64-bit/Packages$
=

Can you suggest anything else?

Ciao - Mark (mystified).


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Re: Help please - install the WiFi driver

2013-03-03 Thread Mark Filipak

On 2013/3/3 6:10 PM, Mr G wrote:

You need the firmware-iwlwifi package.

# dpkg -s firmware-iwlwifi


You mean this one:
firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+squeeze1_all.deb   // Debian - WiFi Drivers

It's on my list.

Do I really install it with this:

dpkg -s firmware-iwlwifi

or this:

dpkg -s firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+squeeze1_all

or this:

dpkg -s firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+squeeze1_all.deb

?

Oh, never mind. I'll try all 3.


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Re: Help please - install the WiFi driver

2013-03-03 Thread Mark Filipak

On 2013/3/3 6:10 PM, Mr G wrote:

You need the firmware-iwlwifi package.

# dpkg -s firmware-iwlwifi

will tell you if the package is installed. It probably wont be on the
install disk as it is the nonfree repository. You may have to adjust
/etc/apt/sources.list depending on how you answered the questions when you
installed.


Reminder: I don't have Internet in Debian+LXDE yet.
Comment: I have the iwlwifi package. It's 
firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+squeeze1_all.deb.
Remark: There were no questions when I installed (Thank doG!), so 
/etc/apt/sources.list may not need adjustment.
Question: What is /etc/apt/sources.list?

Ciao - Mark.



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Re: Help please - install the WiFi driver

2013-03-03 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Sunday 03 March 2013 22:40:22 Mark Filipak wrote:
> Comment: I submitted 'aptitude install wicd' because it was part of the
> example I followed. Obviously, 'wicd' is not sufficient.

Why is it obviously not sufficient?  I would have said that it was.  But you 
would need the right repositories and a connection to the net. On my box:

root@Tux-II:/home/lisi# aptitude install wicd
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  libnl1{a} libpcsclite1{a} python-glade2{a} python-iniparse{a} 
python-notify{a}
  python-wicd{a} wicd wicd-daemon{a} wicd-gtk{a} wpasupplicant{a}
0 packages upgraded, 10 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 1,180 kB of archives. After unpacking 4,212 kB will be used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?] n
Abort.
root@Tux-II:/home/lisi#

As you see, just "wicd" would be fine.  I aborted because I have no wireless 
on this box and so don't actually want it installed.

> Question: Why 
> didn't 'aptitude install wicd_1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3_all.deb' work?

If you want to install a .deb in that way, you need to use dpkg, as mentioned 
by Joe:

From the directory that the deb is in:
dpkg -i wicd_1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3_all.deb

If it complains that there are missing dependencies, curse, wish you had used 
aptitude, and install them.  Someone else will need to tell you how to manage 
that from a box without internet access.  I, when faced with this problem, 
always temporarily install an old network card so that I have got internet 
access to sort things out.

HTH
Lisi



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Re: Help please - install the WiFi driver

2013-03-03 Thread Mr G
You need the firmware-iwlwifi package.

# dpkg -s firmware-iwlwifi

will tell you if the package is installed. It probably wont be on the
install disk as it is the nonfree repository. You may have to adjust
/etc/apt/sources.list depending on how you answered the questions when you
installed.

And lastly I apologize to everyone on the list on behalf of my phone. Now I
have gotten on the computer and find that google has changed their entire
interface for replies and am not sure how this is going to turn out either.


On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 4:40 PM, Mark Filipak wrote:

> On 2013/3/3 4:20 PM, Joe wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 14:53:37 -0500
>> Mark Filipak  wrote:
>>
> -snip-
>
>> BTW, before I go on, I already tried opening a file manager (in
>>> Debian+LXDE) and simply double-clicking one of the .deb files.
>>> Nothing happened.
>>>
>>>  There are packages which will install .deb files in this way, having
>> set up the right file association, but they are not installed by default
>> in LXDE. Anyway, the missing link here is that you use dpkg:
>>
>> dpkg -i 
>>
>
> May I make a few comments here?
> First, Thanks Joe!
> Second, I just returned from Debian-land. I discovered Aptitude *was*
> installed. The reason I didn't think it was installed was because it wasn't
> listed in LXDE's "System Tools" menu. But when I opened a terminal session
> and typed in "aptitude", there it was.
> Third, the rest of your very good information is getting snipped, but I
> promise that I will use it.
>
> For now, I need help interpreting what I found in Debian-land.
>
> =
> mark@MarkFilipak:/media/usb8/**Setup/Debian 6.0.6 64-bit/Packages$ su
> Password:
> root@MarkFilipak:/media/usb8/**Setup/Debian 6.0.6 64-bit/Packages#
> aptitude update
> Ign cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.6 _Squeeze_ - Official Snapshot amd64
> LIVE/INSTALL Binary 20121214-16:56] squeeze Release.gpg
> Ign cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.6 _Squeeze_ - Official Snapshot amd64
> LIVE/INSTALL Binary 20121214-16:56]/ squeeze/main Translation-en
> Ign cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.6 _Squeeze_ - Official Snapshot amd64
> LIVE/INSTALL Binary 20121214-16:56]/ squeeze/main Translation-en_US
> Ign cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.6 _Squeeze_ - Official Snapshot amd64
> LIVE/INSTALL Binary 20121214-16:56] squeeze Release
> Ign cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.6 _Squeeze_ - Official Snapshot amd64
> LIVE/INSTALL Binary 20121214-16:56] squeeze/main amd64 Packages/DiffIndex
>
> root@MarkFilipak:/media/usb8/**Setup/Debian 6.0.6 64-bit/Packages#
> aptitude install wicd
> Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "wicd"
> Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "wicd"
> No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.
> 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
> Need to get 0 B of archives. After unpacking 0 B will be used.
>
> root@MarkFilipak:/media/usb8/**Setup/Debian 6.0.6 64-bit/Packages#
> aptitude install wicd_1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3_all.**deb
> Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched
> "wicd_1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3_**all.deb"
> Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched
> "wicd_1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3_**all.deb"
> No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.
> 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
> Need to get 0 B of archives. After unpacking 0 B will be used.
>
> root@MarkFilipak:/media/usb8/**Setup/Debian 6.0.6 64-bit/Packages#
> =
>
> What I did:
> The packages resided in a FAT-32 partition that I prepared in Windows.
> I opened the FAT-32 (./media/usb8) in a file browser.
> I browsed to the folder that contained the packages (./Setup/Debian 6.0.6
> 64-bit/Packages).
> From the file browser's menu, I opened a terminal window in the current
> folder.
> My session dialog is above.
> I copied the session dialog to a text file and saved it in the FAT-32
> partition.
> I booted Windows and copied the session dialog into this message.
>
> Questions/comments (in no particular order):
> Comment: I submitted 'aptitude update' because it was part of the example
> I followed.
> Comment: I submitted 'aptitude install wicd' because it was part of the
> example I followed. Obviously, 'wicd' is not sufficient.
> Question: Why didn't 'aptitude install wicd_1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3_all.**deb'
> work?
> Question (your response is optional): Why is there a redundant failure
> line for each failure?
> Question (your response is optional): Why, following the redundant failure
> line, are 3 additional lines written? This is the sort of behavior that
> confuses people and makes them think that Linux is unfriendly.
>
> Oh, one last thing: 'wicd_1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3_**all.deb' is correct and
> is in the correct folder. Why 'aptitude' couldn't find it is a mystery to
> me.
>
> Thanks & Ciao - Mark.
>
>
>
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Re: Help please - install the WiFi driver

2013-03-03 Thread Mark Filipak

On 2013/3/3 4:34 PM, Roman V.Leon. wrote:
-big snip-

Why do you think you need a special driver?
Please type "/sbin/ifconfig -a" in your terminal to check whether you have 
"wlan0" device or not in the list.


mark@MarkFilipak:/media/usb8/Setup/Debian 6.0.6 64-bit/Packages$ /sbin/ifconfig 
-a
eth0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:18:8b:dc:30:fd
  BROADCAST MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
  RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
  RX bytes:0 (0.0 B)  TX bytes:0 (0.0 B)
  Interrupt:18

loLink encap:Local Loopback
  inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
  inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host
  UP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:16436  Metric:1
  RX packets:24 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:24 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
  RX bytes:1696 (1.6 KiB)  TX bytes:1696 (1.6 KiB)

pan0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr ba:3e:86:e1:5a:91
  BROADCAST MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
  RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
  RX bytes:0 (0.0 B)  TX bytes:0 (0.0 B)

wlan0 Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:1b:77:80:2d:b9
  BROADCAST MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
  RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
  RX bytes:0 (0.0 B)  TX bytes:0 (0.0 B)

Well, 00:1b:77:80:2d:b9 is indeed the WiFi's NIC. So why can't I get to the Ethernet, and 
why does everything I see on the Internet (when I'm in Windows of course) say that I must 
obtain an Intel 3945ABG driver because it's non-free? "...Come to me and fall on thy 
knees, and I will set thee free!"


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Re: Help please - install the WiFi driver

2013-03-03 Thread Mark Filipak

On 2013/3/3 4:20 PM, Joe wrote:

On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 14:53:37 -0500
Mark Filipak  wrote:

-snip-

BTW, before I go on, I already tried opening a file manager (in
Debian+LXDE) and simply double-clicking one of the .deb files.
Nothing happened.


There are packages which will install .deb files in this way, having
set up the right file association, but they are not installed by default
in LXDE. Anyway, the missing link here is that you use dpkg:

dpkg -i 


May I make a few comments here?
First, Thanks Joe!
Second, I just returned from Debian-land. I discovered Aptitude *was* installed. The reason I 
didn't think it was installed was because it wasn't listed in LXDE's "System Tools" menu. 
But when I opened a terminal session and typed in "aptitude", there it was.
Third, the rest of your very good information is getting snipped, but I promise 
that I will use it.

For now, I need help interpreting what I found in Debian-land.

=
mark@MarkFilipak:/media/usb8/Setup/Debian 6.0.6 64-bit/Packages$ su
Password:
root@MarkFilipak:/media/usb8/Setup/Debian 6.0.6 64-bit/Packages# aptitude update
Ign cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.6 _Squeeze_ - Official Snapshot amd64 
LIVE/INSTALL Binary 20121214-16:56] squeeze Release.gpg
Ign cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.6 _Squeeze_ - Official Snapshot amd64 
LIVE/INSTALL Binary 20121214-16:56]/ squeeze/main Translation-en
Ign cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.6 _Squeeze_ - Official Snapshot amd64 
LIVE/INSTALL Binary 20121214-16:56]/ squeeze/main Translation-en_US
Ign cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.6 _Squeeze_ - Official Snapshot amd64 
LIVE/INSTALL Binary 20121214-16:56] squeeze Release
Ign cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.6 _Squeeze_ - Official Snapshot amd64 
LIVE/INSTALL Binary 20121214-16:56] squeeze/main amd64 Packages/DiffIndex

root@MarkFilipak:/media/usb8/Setup/Debian 6.0.6 64-bit/Packages# aptitude 
install wicd
Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "wicd"
Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "wicd"
No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.
0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 0 B of archives. After unpacking 0 B will be used.

root@MarkFilipak:/media/usb8/Setup/Debian 6.0.6 64-bit/Packages# aptitude 
install wicd_1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3_all.deb
Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched 
"wicd_1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3_all.deb"
Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched 
"wicd_1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3_all.deb"
No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.
0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 0 B of archives. After unpacking 0 B will be used.

root@MarkFilipak:/media/usb8/Setup/Debian 6.0.6 64-bit/Packages#
=

What I did:
The packages resided in a FAT-32 partition that I prepared in Windows.
I opened the FAT-32 (./media/usb8) in a file browser.
I browsed to the folder that contained the packages (./Setup/Debian 6.0.6 
64-bit/Packages).
From the file browser's menu, I opened a terminal window in the current folder.
My session dialog is above.
I copied the session dialog to a text file and saved it in the FAT-32 partition.
I booted Windows and copied the session dialog into this message.

Questions/comments (in no particular order):
Comment: I submitted 'aptitude update' because it was part of the example I 
followed.
Comment: I submitted 'aptitude install wicd' because it was part of the example 
I followed. Obviously, 'wicd' is not sufficient.
Question: Why didn't 'aptitude install wicd_1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3_all.deb' work?
Question (your response is optional): Why is there a redundant failure line for 
each failure?
Question (your response is optional): Why, following the redundant failure 
line, are 3 additional lines written? This is the sort of behavior that 
confuses people and makes them think that Linux is unfriendly.

Oh, one last thing: 'wicd_1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3_all.deb' is correct and is in 
the correct folder. Why 'aptitude' couldn't find it is a mystery to me.

Thanks & Ciao - Mark.



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Re: Help please - install the WiFi driver

2013-03-03 Thread Roman V.Leon.

On 03.03.2013 23:53, Mark Filipak wrote:

My objective:
Install WiFi driver into Debian+LXDE so that I can connect to the Internet.

My problem:
All the help I can find covers installing packages over the Internet.
But I can't install packages over the Internet because I can't reach the
Internet until I've installed the driver (not part of Debian because
it's non-free) and a Network Manager (apparently, not part of
Debian+LXDE ...or at least I can't find it under System Tools ...I think
that's what the menu item is named).

Packages I have:
aptitude_0.6.3-3.2+squeeze1_amd64.deb // Debian - Package Manager
firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+squeeze1_all.deb // Debian - WiFi Drivers
synaptic_0.70~pre1+b1_amd64.deb // Debian - Package Manager
wicd_1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3_all.deb // Debian (all but Gnome) - Network
Manager
wireless-tools_30~pre9-5_amd64.deb // Debian - WiFi Tools

Documentation I have:
(copied off the Internet and saved where I can get to them when I'm in
Debian+LXDE...)
"How to use a WiFi interface" (http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse)
"Intel PRO-Wireless 3945 and WiFi Link 4965 devices"
(http://wiki.debian.org/iwlegacy)
"WiFi Ad-hoc Network" (http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/AdHoc)
"iwconfig" (http://wiki.debian.org/iwconfig)
iwconfig man page as a text file.

BTW, before I go on, I already tried opening a file manager (in
Debian+LXDE) and simply double-clicking one of the .deb files. Nothing
happened.

I don't know what to do or what I'll need once I'm booted back into
Debian+LXDE ...remember: I won't have Internet. Assuming that I'll need
to know how to run a Package Manager, I've looked at the following
(http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/index.en.html#contents):

(Before listing the contents of the appropriate section of debian-faq
below, I need to say that I really, really tried to read this stuff. My
eyes glazed over. I looked for something like "how to install a deb
binary" but couldn't find it. As I read the details of what I couldn't
relate to and what I didn't understand and what I don't really care
about - God created the Earth in 6 days so that we could argue over it
forever after - I had my hands full simply trying to stay awake. Forgive
me but I don't want to know the excruciating details of Linux and how it
works. I'm not going to stand back after a year of study saying, "My,
that's wonderful!". I... don't... care. I'm here to use Linux, not to
praise it. My objective is to copy stuff I *might* need for offline use.)

7 Basics of the Debian package management system
7.1 What is a Debian package?
7.2 What is the format of a Debian binary package?
7.3 Why are Debian package file names so long?
7.4 What is a Debian control file?
7.5 What is a Debian conffile?
7.6 What is a Debian preinst, postinst, prerm, and postrm script?
7.7 What is an Essential, Required, Important, Standard, Optional, or
Extra package?
7.8 What is a Virtual Package?
7.9 What is meant by saying that a package Depends, Recommends,
Suggests, Conflicts, Replaces, Breaks or Provides another package?
7.10 What is meant by Pre-Depends?
7.11 What is meant by unknown, install, remove, purge and hold in the
package status?
7.12 How do I put a package on hold?
7.13 How do I install a source package?
7.14 How do I build binary packages from a source package?
7.15 How do I create Debian packages myself?
8 The Debian package management tools
8.1 What programs does Debian provide for managing its packages?
8.1.1 dpkg
8.1.2 APT
8.1.3 aptitude
8.1.4 synaptic
8.1.5 tasksel
8.1.6 Other package management tools
8.2 Debian claims to be able to update a running program; how is this
accomplished?
8.3 How can I tell what packages are already installed on a Debian system?
8.4 How to display the files of a package installed?
8.5 How can I find out what package produced a particular file?
8.6 Why doesn't get `foo-data' removed when I uninstall `foo'? How do I
make sure old unused library-packages get purged?
9 Keeping your Debian system up-to-date
9.1 How can I keep my Debian system current?
9.1.1 aptitude
9.1.2 apt-get, dselect and apt-cdrom
9.1.3 aptitude
9.1.4 mirror
9.1.5 dpkg-mountable
9.2 Must I go into single user mode in order to upgrade a package?
9.3 Do I have to keep all those .deb archive files on my disk?
9.4 How can I keep a log of the packages I added to the system? I'd like
to know when which package upgrades and removals have occured!
9.5 Can I automatically update the system?
9.6 I have several machines how can I download the updates only one time?

You guys know the stuff above. I'd be willing to *try* to read it if you
think I'll need it, but please remember: all I want is to install the
WiFi driver, firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+squeeze1_all.deb. Perhaps a year from
now I'll step back and look at Linux and say, "That's wonderful!" but I
doubt it. However, one thing's for certain: If I don't succeed with
this, a year from now I will not be running Linux.

Any help gratefully appreciated!

Thanks, and Ciao.



Hi Mark.
Why do you t

Re: Help please - install the WiFi driver

2013-03-03 Thread Joe
On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 14:53:37 -0500
Mark Filipak  wrote:

> My objective:
> Install WiFi driver into Debian+LXDE so that I can connect to the
> Internet.
> 
> My problem:
> All the help I can find covers installing packages over the Internet.
> But I can't install packages over the Internet because I can't reach
> the Internet until I've installed the driver (not part of Debian
> because it's non-free) and a Network Manager (apparently, not part of
> Debian+LXDE ...or at least I can't find it under System Tools ...I
> think that's what the menu item is named).
> 
Network manager is not actually necessary to do anything, and until
recently it had a rather poor reputation, usually being known as Notwork
Manager. It's quite big and overbearing, and has many plug-ins, for
OpenVPN, wi-fi, 3G dongles and other things. It does seem to work these
days, or at least the Sid version does. I don't have it on my
workstation, which is a purely wired-Ethernet machine, but both my
laptop and netbook have it.

> Packages I have:
> aptitude_0.6.3-3.2+squeeze1_amd64.deb// Debian - Package Manager
> firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+squeeze1_all.deb   // Debian - WiFi Drivers
> synaptic_0.70~pre1+b1_amd64.deb  // Debian - Package Manager
> wicd_1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3_all.deb// Debian (all but Gnome) -
> Network Manager wireless-tools_30~pre9-5_amd64.deb   // Debian -
> WiFi Tools
> 
> Documentation I have:
> (copied off the Internet and saved where I can get to them when I'm
> in Debian+LXDE...) "How to use a WiFi
> interface" (http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse) "Intel PRO-Wireless
> 3945 and WiFi Link 4965 devices" (http://wiki.debian.org/iwlegacy)
> "WiFi Ad-hoc Network" (http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/AdHoc)
> "iwconfig" (http://wiki.debian.org/iwconfig) iwconfig man page as a
> text file.
> 
> BTW, before I go on, I already tried opening a file manager (in
> Debian+LXDE) and simply double-clicking one of the .deb files.
> Nothing happened.
> 
There are packages which will install .deb files in this way, having
set up the right file association, but they are not installed by default
in LXDE. Anyway, the missing link here is that you use dpkg:

dpkg -i 

Assuming you have the right driver, you shouldn't have a problem. I've
never used wicd, but no doubt someone else will tell you if you need to
do anything with it. I'm not a big wireless fan. Network Manager Just
Works, or at least it does for me.

> I don't know what to do or what I'll need once I'm booted back into
> Debian+LXDE ...remember: I won't have Internet. Assuming that I'll
> need to know how to run a Package Manager, I've looked at the
> following
> (http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/index.en.html#contents):

When you have Net access, there's a vast number of apt-get and aptitude
tutorials, or Synaptic is fairly intuitive to use without much help.

> 
> (Before listing the contents of the appropriate section of debian-faq
> below, I need to say that I really, really tried to read this stuff.
> My eyes glazed over.

You must know, from long experience, that theory is almost useless
until you've done a bit of practice, by rote if necessary.

> 
> You guys know the stuff above. I'd be willing to *try* to read it if
> you think I'll need it, 

No. I don't know most of that and, with three somewhat different Sid
installations, I probably do more upgrades than most people. I look
things up as and when I need them. I can't say offhand how to export an
Exchange mailbox, either, but I know how to find out how to do it, and
I have done it a few times.

Aptitude and apt-get will be installed by default, they both drive dpkg
which is the low-level package manager and is part of the Debian core.
Synaptic is a GUI program and I use it when Sid has issues with
upgrades, as it does occasionally, I find it faster than aptitude in
identifying things that are currently uninstallable. Some people never
use it, and my server doesn't have a GUI, so I obviously don't use it
there. Debian Stable is much better-behaved than Sid.

All three apt tools will install everything in the repositories they are
configured for, you only need dpkg for .deb files obtained elsewhere. I
use it for that maybe twice a year. A lot of Linux software has a .deb
available even if Debian has not yet included it in a distribution.

dpkg does have many other uses, but not for the beginner. Among other
things, it will pretty much copy a Debian installation, complete with
all software installed from the repositories. You can migrate from 32
bit to 64 bit hardware that way. Let's see you do that with Windows.

There is also a GUI Update Manager, but either apt-get or aptitude will
do updates from the command line with minimal effort.

> However, one thing's for certain: If I
> don't succeed with this, a year from now I will not be running Linux.

You think we care? It will be your loss.

You do realise, yet again, you are in an unusual situation? I can't
remember ever being stuck with a single

Help please - install the WiFi driver

2013-03-03 Thread Mark Filipak

My objective:
Install WiFi driver into Debian+LXDE so that I can connect to the Internet.

My problem:
All the help I can find covers installing packages over the Internet. But I 
can't install packages over the Internet because I can't reach the Internet 
until I've installed the driver (not part of Debian because it's non-free) and 
a Network Manager (apparently, not part of Debian+LXDE ...or at least I can't 
find it under System Tools ...I think that's what the menu item is named).

Packages I have:
aptitude_0.6.3-3.2+squeeze1_amd64.deb// Debian - Package Manager
firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+squeeze1_all.deb   // Debian - WiFi Drivers
synaptic_0.70~pre1+b1_amd64.deb  // Debian - Package Manager
wicd_1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3_all.deb// Debian (all but Gnome) - Network 
Manager
wireless-tools_30~pre9-5_amd64.deb   // Debian - WiFi Tools

Documentation I have:
(copied off the Internet and saved where I can get to them when I'm in 
Debian+LXDE...)
"How to use a WiFi interface" (http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse)
"Intel PRO-Wireless 3945 and WiFi Link 4965 devices" 
(http://wiki.debian.org/iwlegacy)
"WiFi Ad-hoc Network" (http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/AdHoc)
"iwconfig" (http://wiki.debian.org/iwconfig)
iwconfig man page as a text file.

BTW, before I go on, I already tried opening a file manager (in Debian+LXDE) 
and simply double-clicking one of the .deb files. Nothing happened.

I don't know what to do or what I'll need once I'm booted back into Debian+LXDE 
...remember: I won't have Internet. Assuming that I'll need to know how to run 
a Package Manager, I've looked at the following 
(http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/index.en.html#contents):

(Before listing the contents of the appropriate section of debian-faq below, I need to say that I 
really, really tried to read this stuff. My eyes glazed over. I looked for something like "how 
to install a deb binary" but couldn't find it. As I read the details of what I couldn't relate 
to and what I didn't understand and what I don't really care about - God created the Earth in 6 
days so that we could argue over it forever after - I had my hands full simply trying to stay 
awake. Forgive me but I don't want to know the excruciating details of Linux and how it works. I'm 
not going to stand back after a year of study saying, "My, that's wonderful!". I... 
don't... care. I'm here to use Linux, not to praise it. My objective is to copy stuff I *might* 
need for offline use.)

7 Basics of the Debian package management system
7.1 What is a Debian package?
7.2 What is the format of a Debian binary package?
7.3 Why are Debian package file names so long?
7.4 What is a Debian control file?
7.5 What is a Debian conffile?
7.6 What is a Debian preinst, postinst, prerm, and postrm script?
7.7 What is an Essential, Required, Important, Standard, Optional, or Extra 
package?
7.8 What is a Virtual Package?
7.9 What is meant by saying that a package Depends, Recommends, Suggests, 
Conflicts, Replaces, Breaks or Provides another package?
7.10 What is meant by Pre-Depends?
7.11 What is meant by unknown, install, remove, purge and hold in the package 
status?
7.12 How do I put a package on hold?
7.13 How do I install a source package?
7.14 How do I build binary packages from a source package?
7.15 How do I create Debian packages myself?
8 The Debian package management tools
8.1 What programs does Debian provide for managing its packages?
8.1.1 dpkg
8.1.2 APT
8.1.3 aptitude
8.1.4 synaptic
8.1.5 tasksel
8.1.6 Other package management tools
8.2 Debian claims to be able to update a running program; how is this 
accomplished?
8.3 How can I tell what packages are already installed on a Debian system?
8.4 How to display the files of a package installed?
8.5 How can I find out what package produced a particular file?
8.6 Why doesn't get `foo-data' removed when I uninstall `foo'? How do I make 
sure old unused library-packages get purged?
9 Keeping your Debian system up-to-date
9.1 How can I keep my Debian system current?
9.1.1 aptitude
9.1.2 apt-get, dselect and apt-cdrom
9.1.3 aptitude
9.1.4 mirror
9.1.5 dpkg-mountable
9.2 Must I go into single user mode in order to upgrade a package?
9.3 Do I have to keep all those .deb archive files on my disk?
9.4 How can I keep a log of the packages I added to the system? I'd like to 
know when which package upgrades and removals have occured!
9.5 Can I automatically update the system?
9.6 I have several machines how can I download the updates only one time?

You guys know the stuff above. I'd be willing to *try* to read it if you think I'll need 
it, but please remember: all I want is to install the WiFi driver, 
firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+squeeze1_all.deb. Perhaps a year from now I'll step back and look 
at Linux and say, "That's wonderful!" but I doubt it. However, one thing's for 
certain: If I don't succeed with this, a year from now I will not be running Linux.

Any help gratefully appreciated!

Thanks, and Ciao.


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