Re: FROM LAST APRIL, I almost got it right! Was: Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]
2008/12/5 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On 12/05/08 07:09, Dotan Cohen wrote: > [snip] >> >> Note that this post is _not_ critical of Canonical's commitment to >> Gnome! I rather appreciate Canonical's contributions to Gnome and >> Linux in general. However, as a KDE brat, I feel left out :) If >> Kubuntu weren't marketed as an official Ubuntu build this would be >> mute. > > Mute or moot? > Moot, I apologize. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü
Re: FROM LAST APRIL, I almost got it right! Was: Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]
On 12/05/08 07:09, Dotan Cohen wrote: [snip] Note that this post is _not_ critical of Canonical's commitment to Gnome! I rather appreciate Canonical's contributions to Gnome and Linux in general. However, as a KDE brat, I feel left out :) If Kubuntu weren't marketed as an official Ubuntu build this would be mute. Mute or moot? -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA How does being physically handicapped make me Differently-Abled? What different abilities do I have? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FROM LAST APRIL, I almost got it right! Was: Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]
2008/11/29 David Fox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > I wish that Henrietta Hippo would have been the code name for Hardy Heron. > > http://www.hollywoodinvestigator.com/newzoorevue.htm > I still vote that 9.10 should be Komatose Kubuntu. KDE has been largely ignored by Canonical devs, relative to XFCE and Gnome. I do understand that there is an opening for a KDE developer, though, so there is hope. Note that this post is _not_ critical of Canonical's commitment to Gnome! I rather appreciate Canonical's contributions to Gnome and Linux in general. However, as a KDE brat, I feel left out :) If Kubuntu weren't marketed as an official Ubuntu build this would be mute. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü
Re: FROM LAST APRIL, I almost got it right! Was: Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]
On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 05:29:28PM +0100, Nigel Henry wrote: > > Don't know, but Jumping Jackflash has got a nice ring to it. A credit to the > Stones, and every time you boot, the login screen shows an animated version > of Mick Jagger, and a few words from the tune. Remember "Start me up" from Windoze95 advt. campaign. M$ paid approx. $500M to the Stones as though it was cheap. A precedent that I don't think the average Linux developer could match, or Canonical would bother with for a ~6 month term. -- Chris. == I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. -- Stephen F Roberts -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FROM LAST APRIL, I almost got it right! Was: Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]
On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 8:29 AM, Nigel Henry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Don't know, but Jumping Jackflash has got a nice ring to it. A credit to the > Stones, and every time you boot, the login screen shows an animated version > of Mick Jagger, and a few words from the tune. I wish that Henrietta Hippo would have been the code name for Hardy Heron. http://www.hollywoodinvestigator.com/newzoorevue.htm > Nigel. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FROM LAST APRIL, I almost got it right! Was: Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]
On Saturday 29 November 2008 16:57, Kent West wrote: > Cybe R. Wizard wrote: > > "Cybe R. Wizard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > >> Everyone piped up: > >> > >> [...] > >> > >> I hereby propose the Jibbering Jackalope. > >> > >> Cybe > > > > Do I get a prize for coming so close to reality, something I usually > > try to avoid? > > > > Cybe R. Wizard > > Not all of us keep up with Ubuntu (I think that's the reference); so > what is the new release name? > > > -- > Kent West <")))>< > Westing Peacefully - http://kentwest.blogspot.com Don't know, but Jumping Jackflash has got a nice ring to it. A credit to the Stones, and every time you boot, the login screen shows an animated version of Mick Jagger, and a few words from the tune. Nigel. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FROM LAST APRIL, I almost got it right! Was: Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]
Kent West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Cybe R. Wizard wrote: > > "Cybe R. Wizard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > > >> Everyone piped up: > >> > >> [...] > >> > >> I hereby propose the Jibbering Jackalope. > >> > >> Cybe > >> > > > > Do I get a prize for coming so close to reality, something I usually > > try to avoid? > > > > Cybe R. Wizard > > > Not all of us keep up with Ubuntu (I think that's the reference); so > what is the new release name? > First, sorry about submitting this to debian-users. I thought it had been posted first on ubuntu-users and didn't check. My bad. The name for the next release of Ubuntu will be Jaunty Jackalope. Cybe R. Wizard -- Nice computers don't go down. Larry Niven, Steven Barnes "The Barsoom Project" -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FROM LAST APRIL, I almost got it right! Was: Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]
Cybe R. Wizard wrote: > "Cybe R. Wizard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > >> Everyone piped up: >> >> [...] >> >> I hereby propose the Jibbering Jackalope. >> >> Cybe >> > > Do I get a prize for coming so close to reality, something I usually > try to avoid? > > Cybe R. Wizard > Not all of us keep up with Ubuntu (I think that's the reference); so what is the new release name? -- Kent West <")))>< Westing Peacefully - http://kentwest.blogspot.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FROM LAST APRIL, I almost got it right! Was: Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]
"Cybe R. Wizard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Everyone piped up: > > [...] > > I hereby propose the Jibbering Jackalope. > > Cybe Do I get a prize for coming so close to reality, something I usually try to avoid? Cybe R. Wizard -- Nice computers don't go down. Larry Niven, Steven Barnes "The Barsoom Project" -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]
On Sun April 13 2008 03:19:15 Florian Kulzer wrote: > On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 21:15:05 -0700, Marc Shapiro wrote: > > Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > >> On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 12:50:14AM +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote: > >>> On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 12:13:29 -0500, Kent West wrote: > Florian Kulzer wrote: > > Is this the right room for an argument? > > HA-H! > > I loved Flying Circus! > >>> > >>> No, you didn't! > >> > >> Well, now you're just contradicting. > > > > No, he's not! > > Yes, I am! Huh? Doesn't that leave all cross-compilers in spoon? Ealing Broadway (Mornington Crescent in seven) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]
On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 12:19:15PM +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote: > On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 21:15:05 -0700, Marc Shapiro wrote: > > Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > >> On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 12:50:14AM +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote: > >>> On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 12:13:29 -0500, Kent West wrote: > Florian Kulzer wrote: > > Is this the right room for an argument? > HA-H! > I loved Flying Circus! > >>> No, you didn't! > >> Well, now you're just contradicting. > > No, he's not! > Yes, I am! While you may be, he says your are not, yet if you are not then you cannot be to argue that you are, and his arguement comes to naught. While one can argue that another is not, by his very declaration, the other declares themselves to be. As to flying circi, while the cloth is held aloft by poles and contain the heat of the enclosed, and their gaseous eminations, yet the pegs which hold the walls upright and keep the wind from intruding, conspire to affix firmly the circus to the ground. Ergo, no flying. Therefore, if circi do not fly, you could not have loved it. Therefore, the one who claims to be, merely contradicting, is not but pointing out that the other did not love the flying circus, he is wrong in his assertion that he is, therefore he is not. Herein lies the paradox: he who is proved not, declares himself to be. Thus, perhaps, in his being not, signifies nothing. :) Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]
On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 21:15:05 -0700, Marc Shapiro wrote: > Andrew Sackville-West wrote: >> On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 12:50:14AM +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote: >> >>> On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 12:13:29 -0500, Kent West wrote: >>> Florian Kulzer wrote: > Is this the right room for an argument? > HA-H! I loved Flying Circus! >>> No, you didn't! >>> >> >> Well, now you're just contradicting. >> > No, he's not! Yes, I am! -- Regards,| http://users.icfo.es/Florian.Kulzer Florian | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]
On Sat, 12 Apr 2008 20:41:21 -0700 Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello Andrew, > > > I loved Flying Circus! > > No, you didn't! > Well, now you're just contradicting. To argue, one has to take up a contrary stance. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)radnever immediately apparent" Only the wounded remain, the generals have all left the game Generals - The Damned signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]
On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 05:45:01PM +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote: > On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 08:36:26 -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 08:18:33PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > > ... > > > > > > As for everyone else why are we having this crap discussion > > > AGAIN. > > > > only a matter of time. real traffic is down, OT is up... flame wars a > > comin' > > Is this the right room for an argument? I told you once! -- Chris. == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]
Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 12:50:14AM +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote: On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 12:13:29 -0500, Kent West wrote: Florian Kulzer wrote: Is this the right room for an argument? HA-H! I loved Flying Circus! No, you didn't! Well, now you're just contradicting. No, he's not! -- Marc Shapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]
On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 12:50:14AM +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote: > On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 12:13:29 -0500, Kent West wrote: > > Florian Kulzer wrote: > >> Is this the right room for an argument? > >> > > > > HA-H! > > > > I loved Flying Circus! > > No, you didn't! Well, now you're just contradicting. A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]
On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 02:25:49PM -0500, Cybe R. Wizard wrote: > Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > [...] > > > only a matter of time. real traffic is down, OT is up... flame wars a > > comin' ... > > Andrew, since it's OT time, tell me more about your International. I > am currently restoring a 1948 IH KB1, myself. Parts and reliable > information are hard to come by for one that old. Not much to say really. It's a straight six, four speed, 1/2 ton ( I guess) delivery van. Got sliding doors up front, both sides, but only one seat. Double doors in the back. Nice rounded corners throughout. Parts are tricky. We had the brakes fail when one of the springs died. I took days to find a replacement. I literally went to this rundown shack of a "brake service" place that you'd swear was abandoned, but nope, theres this old guy in there. He looks at the spring and says "nope, ain't got one. International?" SO then after much pleading, he starts digging through greasy barrels and comes up with a couple that are *close*... so close. And close enough to work, but he was right, he didn't have the proper one. I've got a mechanic who is into old stuff and he always keeps an eye open for parts trucks. And I guess a lot of the parts are similar across different models. Eventually, something will break irrevocably and we'll have to start swapping out non-stock driveline parts or something like that. It currently serves as the coolest damn ice cream truck you've ever seen. It seems to me that once you get back to '48, you need to be prepared to fabricate parts. That means when something breaks, you need to keep *every* scrap of the part for use in creating a new one. And go ahead and make (or get made) two of them... A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]
On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 12:13:29 -0500, Kent West wrote: > Florian Kulzer wrote: >> Is this the right room for an argument? >> > > HA-H! > > I loved Flying Circus! No, you didn't! -- Regards,| http://users.icfo.es/Florian.Kulzer Florian | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]
Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: [...] > only a matter of time. real traffic is down, OT is up... flame wars a > comin' > > A Andrew, since it's OT time, tell me more about your International. I am currently restoring a 1948 IH KB1, myself. Parts and reliable information are hard to come by for one that old. Cybe R. Wizard -- Nice computers don't go down. Larry Niven, Steven Barnes "The Barsoom Project" -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Florian Kulzer wrote: Is this the right room for an argument? HA-H! I loved Flying Circus! -- Kent -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]
On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 08:36:26 -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 08:18:33PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > ... > > > > As for everyone else why are we having this crap discussion > > AGAIN. > > only a matter of time. real traffic is down, OT is up... flame wars a > comin' Is this the right room for an argument? -- Regards,| http://users.icfo.es/Florian.Kulzer Florian | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]
On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 08:18:33PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: ... > > As for everyone else why are we having this crap discussion AGAIN. only a matter of time. real traffic is down, OT is up... flame wars a comin' A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 > On Friday 11 April 2008 10:10:22 pm Mark Allums wrote: > > The problems with waste are slowly being solved, even without breeders. > > But you make a good point. However, I would prefer it if the > > breeders were in the arid Southwest deserts, and not at Hanford.* One of the "waste" problems is also caused by a lack of "recycling". American reactors are forced to store their spent fuel, rather than have it reprocessed into 95% new fuel and 5% waste. The highly radioactive wastes decay quickly, so nuclear waste is turning out not to be such a large problem as, well, "as we were told". The really nasty sites, like Hanford, are government sites. Removing limited liability might kill nuclear power, but I think it more likely that reactors built will be built effectively and cleanly instead. Great bumper sticker I saw 25 years ago: Chappaquiddick: 1 Three Mile Island: 0 - -- Treason! http://blog.mises.org/archives/007926.asp -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBSACu+y9Y35yItIgBAQLcKwf8DrxrbM7VovFeSxjJpnLXWuZM3zILSgRF 4XSuOQEGzU5nr93IszJ8GU+KtPUZBB3ibmU2K+93UuWVvcdFnyEpYwe9sT7vp4rQ aq0I31ysIX8Ne23I8vwc0k9v/vkIMosEtnj0TyguJtKsU3HeDT1+t0zi3grmU6kA jLQx7MVxApmC4+57JT3bwJLmw9T4fu7oc6e4KvElDQDlgzSG1CrMPuJcwr/d/65h s9HfQS4pEbAfnjowhdAQQn3irYOGqP4AeFja+eNm9zD7IsiOnrwU/8Hf/Y3fmlMW UMfvbEWkUJAOYo86AGZJHuPYd9x9HxuQClRwhU9/nvnY2/qmatGosA== =1PDS -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]
On Friday 11 April 2008 10:10:22 pm Mark Allums wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: > >> If only Canada had a nice place to dump spent nuclear fuel the way China > > > > France doesn't have problems with spent nuclear fuel, because they > > use breeder reactors. We should, too. > > The problems with waste are slowly being solved, even without breeders. >But you make a good point. However, I would prefer it if the > breeders were in the arid Southwest deserts, and not at Hanford.* It's too bad that Trojan was built on unstable ground and falling apart before it opened, to the point of being inspiration for the power plant in The Simpsons... Engineering incompetence really doomed that plant before it opened. -- Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]
On Friday 11 April 2008 08:52:10 pm Steve Lamb wrote: > Mike Bird wrote: > > You're mistaken Steve. Individuals pass on their tax costs to > > corporations in the form of higher wage demands. Individual income tax > > should be zero. Corporations should be taxed on their profits in order to > > pay for the infrastucture and military necessary for corporations to > > conduct business within the state. > > I agree, individual income tax should be 0. You'll note that Paul does > not agree with that. But sorry, you are mistaken. We do not pass our tax > costs to corporations in the form of higher wage demands. Sure we do. If employers know people are happy with what they're taking home after taxes, and income tax went to 0, you can bet that employers are going to cut wages by the difference in taxes to squeeze out the extra profit. And in the case of publicly traded companies, it would be in the interest of their shareholders to do so. -- Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ron Johnson wrote: If only Canada had a nice place to dump spent nuclear fuel the way China France doesn't have problems with spent nuclear fuel, because they use breeder reactors. We should, too. The problems with waste are slowly being solved, even without breeders. But you make a good point. However, I would prefer it if the breeders were in the arid Southwest deserts, and not at Hanford.* Mark Allums * Actually, we aren't operating /any/ breeders at the moment, nor have since the eighties, IIRC. We aren't even producing any plutonium right now, we prefer to buy it from the Russians (which is okay with me, I guess. Better in our power plants than in their nuclear weapons, I say.) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Mike Bird wrote: > You're mistaken Steve. Individuals pass on their tax costs to corporations > in the form of higher wage demands. Individual income tax should be zero. > Corporations should be taxed on their profits in order to pay for the > infrastucture and military necessary for corporations to conduct business > within the state. I agree, individual income tax should be 0. You'll note that Paul does not agree with that. But sorry, you are mistaken. We do not pass our tax costs to corporations in the form of higher wage demands. I didn't say workers. I didn't say consumers. I said individuals. Tell the unemployed person or the person living on pension that they are "passing their tax costs on to corporations" and see how fast you get laughed or yelled at. Tell the shareholders of public corporations their tax burden is passed on to corporations through higher wage demands. Yet you will find that higher cost of goods through the pipeline will still have to be paid by those who earn no "wage" and the stakeholders which front the money for businesses to, you know, do business, get less because of lower return on investment. Corporations don't pay taxes. Individuals do. Because at the end of the day corporations are nothing more than a collection of individuals dealing with individuals and managed by individuals. A corporate tax is just a way of hiding the taxes off the individual's books. -- Steve C. Lamb | But who decides what they dream? PGP Key: 1FC01004 | And dream I do... ---+- signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]
On Fri April 11 2008 20:18:33 Steve Lamb wrote: > You are an idiot. Yes, corporate taxes are paid by corporations who > pass the the bill onto individuals. It was 0% before and its 0% now. > Individuals paid it then and individuals pay it now. You just want it back > because it's a secret tax on the individuals that you don't have to > justify. 20% tax on the poor? Way to go Paul! You're mistaken Steve. Individuals pass on their tax costs to corporations in the form of higher wage demands. Individual income tax should be zero. Corporations should be taxed on their profits in order to pay for the infrastucture and military necessary for corporations to conduct business within the state. --Mike Bird -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Paul Johnson wrote: > Eliminating all > corporate tax breaks would be a good idea, as well: After World War II, > corporations accounted for nearly 40% of US tax revenue, today it's less than > 5%. You are an idiot. Yes, corporate taxes are paid by corporations who pass the the bill onto individuals. It was 0% before and its 0% now. Individuals paid it then and individuals pay it now. You just want it back because it's a secret tax on the individuals that you don't have to justify. 20% tax on the poor? Way to go Paul! As for everyone else why are we having this crap discussion AGAIN. Seriously. Look up Paul's background in this group. Most successful troll ever. Every 3 months he baits people into "debating" his socialist wet dream. -- Steve C. Lamb | But who decides what they dream? PGP Key: 1FC01004 | And dream I do... ---+- signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/11/08 21:30, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Friday 11 April 2008 07:17:19 pm Ron Johnson wrote: >> On 04/11/08 21:01, Paul Johnson wrote: >>> On Friday 11 April 2008 01:33:00 pm Damon L. Chesser wrote: It does? News to me. Again, study your history, longest un-interrupted economic growth in the history of the US. >>> Reagan was still starring in movies or acting as the president of the >>> labor union he was a member of during much of the boom of which you speak >>> (1945-1975). Looking at all the GDP data for the US I could find poking >>> around BEA's website, GDP grew slower post 1981. Total US exports >>> levelled >> Growth would have slowed no matter who was President, since it took >> a generation for Europe and Asia to recover, and for the US to get >> fat and complacent with our post-war economic dominance. > > That's very probably true. I was just stunned by the ignorance of the claim > that the Reagan years were the best years this country ever had. Sadly, this > isn't the first time I've heard this claim, as it appears to be the > justification of current Republican economic policy... Stagflation, Misery Index, Rust Belt, death of trust in American cars, death of Big Steel, "death" of NY City all happened in the 1970s. As did Big Union jacking up wages to excessive levels, and doing a shitty job of building "stuff". - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA We want... a Shrubbery!! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIACHmS9HxQb37XmcRAkiaAJ0XIDd7Q7HicGfK9FI6ObBkGtNp0QCeMZjO WlY3M1u9IYYogKuS/Ey8i/k= =dMpG -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]
On Friday 11 April 2008 07:17:19 pm Ron Johnson wrote: > On 04/11/08 21:01, Paul Johnson wrote: > > On Friday 11 April 2008 01:33:00 pm Damon L. Chesser wrote: > >> It does? News to me. Again, study your history, longest un-interrupted > >> economic growth in the history of the US. > > > > Reagan was still starring in movies or acting as the president of the > > labor union he was a member of during much of the boom of which you speak > > (1945-1975). Looking at all the GDP data for the US I could find poking > > around BEA's website, GDP grew slower post 1981. Total US exports > > levelled > > Growth would have slowed no matter who was President, since it took > a generation for Europe and Asia to recover, and for the US to get > fat and complacent with our post-war economic dominance. That's very probably true. I was just stunned by the ignorance of the claim that the Reagan years were the best years this country ever had. Sadly, this isn't the first time I've heard this claim, as it appears to be the justification of current Republican economic policy... -- Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/11/08 20:37, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 06:22:10PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: > >> That just violates basic economic principals, setting the price below the >> balance of supply and demand, especially given we're talking about an >> international commodities market and thus don't have the aboslute authority >> to make such a move possible. It can and ought to be solved by taxing the >> everlasting crap out of excess profits, though: Petroleum companies have >> been posting profits increasing at a rate nearly twice that of the price of >> oil. There is precident for taxing excessive profit in the US during World >> War II, and the economy was better off for it. Then again, another thing >> that was different about WWII, back then it was a felony to make a profit >> off >> the war. > > Considering that the proponents of the war are Oil men, and that the > price of oil goes up every time doubYa farts, he has a vested interest > in keeping the middle-east unstable. > > > Personally, I don't have a problem with a high pump-price. Look at the > nice efficient cars and great public transit they have in Europe. > However, I'd rather that happen through taxes that get targeted back at > environmental improvement (the way tobacco tax both discourages use and > helps fund health care). > > If only Canada had a nice place to dump spent nuclear fuel the way China France doesn't have problems with spent nuclear fuel, because they use breeder reactors. We should, too. > has Tibet... Canada should annex Texas! > > Then there's the oil sands: thousands of square miles of boreal forest > dug up for an open-pit mine. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA We want... a Shrubbery!! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIAB2dS9HxQb37XmcRAkkdAKCiCFLBRgZgoErjiWbaWiC1octirQCgrkfd ppModVaSZWytLfbow1p789Y= =+2Ms -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/11/08 21:12, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Friday 11 April 2008 05:19:08 pm Mark Allums wrote: >> Paul Johnson wrote: >> >>> Health care would be a big one. >> >> >> >> And taxes are much lower here, and the torte system so different, >> >> and people so much more eager to sue. >> > >> > Depends on the country. In France, they pay less taxes, and with >> > those taxes they get college and healthcare at no extra charge. We >> > coulda done that ourselves over the last 8 years if the conservatives >> > didn't think it to be more productive to flush it down the war... >> >> Don't say conservatives. True conservatives were against the war. Say >> "neocons". > > Oh, we're both totally in agreement with that. However, I'm not sure the > difference between conservatives and neoconservatives is one with much > distinction ever since the McCarthy backlash took the wind out of it's sails. > > Following that, the conservatives did what was left of themselves in by > towing the line with the Neoconservatives when they started taking over > starting with Nixon, and especially with Reagan. Lincoln certainly wouldn't > recognize his own party in this day and age. If you take /Neoconservative/ to mean "disillusioned anti-Communist semi-Socialists", then you're correct, that's when they started taking over the party. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA We want... a Shrubbery!! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIABxgS9HxQb37XmcRAjfDAKCELAlG4faW15OPYZzRsuJ5u6uYJQCgogyW eCsfav2+TF1oojif5e/+TRw= =g7wG -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/11/08 21:01, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Friday 11 April 2008 01:33:00 pm Damon L. Chesser wrote: > >> It does? News to me. Again, study your history, longest un-interrupted >> economic growth in the history of the US. > > Reagan was still starring in movies or acting as the president of the labor > union he was a member of during much of the boom of which you speak > (1945-1975). Looking at all the GDP data for the US I could find poking > around BEA's website, GDP grew slower post 1981. Total US exports levelled Growth would have slowed no matter who was President, since it took a generation for Europe and Asia to recover, and for the US to get fat and complacent with our post-war economic dominance. > off entirely during the Reagan years while imports continued to grow. > Private domestic investments declined while personal consumption expenditures > continued to grow. The Dollar is now managing to hit record lows against > foreign currencies, breaking the lows we set in the Reagan years. This is > all public record over at bea.gov. > > So if you're going to pin the longest uninterrupted period of economic growth > in American history on Ronald Reagan, you should attribute it to him as Host > of General Electric Theater, not to him as President of the USA. > - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA We want... a Shrubbery!! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIABuvS9HxQb37XmcRApnlAJ9ir0YG4EDF4YcWaRT9dCvuY/vwawCfXkUa FHQjtodjWLUGvVvuh6htsJI= =Gy94 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Friday 11 April 2008 05:19:08 pm Mark Allums wrote: > Paul Johnson wrote: > >>> Health care would be a big one. > >> > >> And taxes are much lower here, and the torte system so different, > >> and people so much more eager to sue. > > > > Depends on the country. In France, they pay less taxes, and with > > those taxes they get college and healthcare at no extra charge. We > > coulda done that ourselves over the last 8 years if the conservatives > > didn't think it to be more productive to flush it down the war... > > Don't say conservatives. True conservatives were against the war. Say > "neocons". Oh, we're both totally in agreement with that. However, I'm not sure the difference between conservatives and neoconservatives is one with much distinction ever since the McCarthy backlash took the wind out of it's sails. Following that, the conservatives did what was left of themselves in by towing the line with the Neoconservatives when they started taking over starting with Nixon, and especially with Reagan. Lincoln certainly wouldn't recognize his own party in this day and age. -- Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
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On Friday 11 April 2008 01:33:00 pm Damon L. Chesser wrote: > It does? News to me. Again, study your history, longest un-interrupted > economic growth in the history of the US. Reagan was still starring in movies or acting as the president of the labor union he was a member of during much of the boom of which you speak (1945-1975). Looking at all the GDP data for the US I could find poking around BEA's website, GDP grew slower post 1981. Total US exports levelled off entirely during the Reagan years while imports continued to grow. Private domestic investments declined while personal consumption expenditures continued to grow. The Dollar is now managing to hit record lows against foreign currencies, breaking the lows we set in the Reagan years. This is all public record over at bea.gov. So if you're going to pin the longest uninterrupted period of economic growth in American history on Ronald Reagan, you should attribute it to him as Host of General Electric Theater, not to him as President of the USA. -- Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
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On Friday 11 April 2008 02:01:43 pm Ron Johnson wrote: > On 04/11/08 15:19, Paul Johnson wrote: > > On Friday 11 April 2008 08:17:56 am Ron Johnson wrote: > >> On 04/11/08 10:03, Paul Johnson wrote: > > [snip] > > >>> Depends on the country. In France, they pay less taxes, and with those > >>> taxes they get college and healthcare at no extra charge. > >> > >> And labor unions so stifling they create 25% unemployment among > >> young people. > > > > The labor movement is not a bad thing. Once you do get a job, you get > > paid a family living wage with decent benefits. We once had the same > > thing in the US, and the American middle class was far and away better > > off then, than we are now. > > Sure, back in the generation following WW2 when the US economy > dominated the world. > > The big reason why so much manufacturing has fled the US is because > unions and liberals are just as short-sighted and selfish as > business owners. Tell that to the labor union-dominated EU and Canada, they're kicking ass at our expense, and they're not cheaper than us... > > > We coulda done > > > that > >>> > >>> ourselves > >> > >> Sure, and pigs could fly out my arse if I pushed hard enough. Got > >> any more fantasies? > > > > We're talking about $12 billion every month. That's a shit-ton of money > > by any standard, and it's not like it's going to productive use the way > > it's currently being spent. > > The money's not being taken out back and tossed in the incinerator. > Someone's getting the money. Right, and they're not spending it back out. Trickle-down economics fail to take into account the rich spend only a small fraction of their money. We ought to repeal all the tax cuts going back to Reagan (so you pay SSI on every dollar you make, not just the first $91,000 per year, and the highest income tax bracket, affecting the top 2% of income earners, is set at 71% like it was for decades prior to Reagan) so we can cover the cost of this occupation, which is estimated to double the existing national deficiet by the time it's over if we don't do something about it now. Eliminating all corporate tax breaks would be a good idea, as well: After World War II, corporations accounted for nearly 40% of US tax revenue, today it's less than 5%. > >>> over the last 8 years if the conservatives didn't think it to > >>> be more productive to flush it down the war... > >> > >> Clinton didn't do it, so what makes you think that Gore or JFK would > >> have done it? > > > > Probably because FDR did it last time we were this fucked. > > FDR implemented universal health care? No, but the British did at that time, and the British were far and away much worse off economically after world war II than we have ever been. The British didn't even have basic infrastructure left, and one of the first things they did after the war was give everybody healthcare. And Bush implemented universal healthcare, so he's clearly hypocritical on the subject: America's idea of national healthcare is that every man, woman and child in Iraq's borders gets healthcare on our dime. If we're so generous that we can provide healthcare for everybody in some other country that doesn't pay us any taxes, why can't we be so generous as to do the same for ourselves as a country? As it stands now, only about half of Americans can afford health insurance, and playing the law of averages even those who do have health insurance will discover they're turned down and forced into financial ruin over medical expenses if they ever claim anything more severe than an afternoon in the ER or routine checkup. Remember, the operating principal behind any insurance provider is to collect the premium and find any way you can to weasel your way out of ever paying anything out. Just because > > he's dead now doesn't mean he didn't have good ideas that worked wonders, > > contrary to what Rush thinks. > > Why do we care what an aging art-rock band thinks? Wrong Rush. I'm talking about the hypocritical blowhard on EIB, who by his own admission should be lynched. -- Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
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On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 06:22:10PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: > That just violates basic economic principals, setting the price below the > balance of supply and demand, especially given we're talking about an > international commodities market and thus don't have the aboslute authority > to make such a move possible. It can and ought to be solved by taxing the > everlasting crap out of excess profits, though: Petroleum companies have > been posting profits increasing at a rate nearly twice that of the price of > oil. There is precident for taxing excessive profit in the US during World > War II, and the economy was better off for it. Then again, another thing > that was different about WWII, back then it was a felony to make a profit off > the war. Considering that the proponents of the war are Oil men, and that the price of oil goes up every time doubYa farts, he has a vested interest in keeping the middle-east unstable. Personally, I don't have a problem with a high pump-price. Look at the nice efficient cars and great public transit they have in Europe. However, I'd rather that happen through taxes that get targeted back at environmental improvement (the way tobacco tax both discourages use and helps fund health care). If only Canada had a nice place to dump spent nuclear fuel the way China has Tibet... Canada should annex Texas! Then there's the oil sands: thousands of square miles of boreal forest dug up for an open-pit mine. Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Friday 11 April 2008 01:40:05 pm Damon L. Chesser wrote: > The fact that China is sucking up all the oil they can buy on the free > market has nothing to do with $100/barrel, does it? You are confusing correlation with causation. China's been industrializing for the last 20 years now. Oil has been reasonably stable in price over that period except for the last 7 years. Iraq is one of the major oil producing nations, and we attacked them about 7 years ago and only now is oil production there even beginning to climb back towards pre-war levels. Certainly, China's use is a factor in this, but nowhere to the degree that the US leading the world in oil consumption and Iraq prior to the war being something like the second most productive oil producing nation. > Perhaps if we passed a law stating you can not sell oil for more then > $50/barrel, everything would be good? That just violates basic economic principals, setting the price below the balance of supply and demand, especially given we're talking about an international commodities market and thus don't have the aboslute authority to make such a move possible. It can and ought to be solved by taxing the everlasting crap out of excess profits, though: Petroleum companies have been posting profits increasing at a rate nearly twice that of the price of oil. There is precident for taxing excessive profit in the US during World War II, and the economy was better off for it. Then again, another thing that was different about WWII, back then it was a felony to make a profit off the war. > At some point in time you will know Ron is right Ron's right when he sticks to Debian, and very rarely any other time from my experience reading this list. > and Peace and Love WILL break out (just like it did when The Wall came down > and our military was no longer needed in the ensuing lack of war and > destruction) :) Comments like that make me wonder if neoconservatives remember history, or if they're trying to doom us all to repeat it. You wrongly assume that we did anything like the Marshall Plan at the end of the Iraq War proper. The current administration deemed anything resembling the Marshall Plan for Iraq to be "Cut and Run." Instead, we ship contractors in from outside Iraq to handle everything rather than hire the locals, leading to 75% unemployment and an utter collapse of the middle class as roughly 40% of it fled the country, and massive cost overruns for us. If Truman had decided to continue occupying Germany indefinitely and sent Americans in to rebuild Germany instead of going with the Marshall Plan, it's very likely Berlin and Hamburg by 1953 would be a lot like Baghdad and Basra are today and every major city within a week's drive outside Germany would have a German enclave. As for all hell not breaking loose post USSR, that's probably having more to do with the concept that the Soviets didn't have a cultural need to go eye-for-an-eye, which is why the Afghans and bin Laden when he was on the US payroll handed the Soviets their own asses in the 80s. It's too bad we didn't learn our lesson about what happens when you pay terrible people to do your bidding: We're repeating it now by paying what's left of the opposition not to shoot at us in Iraq. -- Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
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Paul Johnson wrote: >>> Health care would be a big one. >> And taxes are much lower here, and the torte system so different, >> and people so much more eager to sue. > > Depends on the country. In France, they pay less taxes, and with those taxes they get college and healthcare at no extra charge. We coulda done that ourselves over the last 8 years if the conservatives didn't think it to be more productive to flush it down the war... Don't say conservatives. True conservatives were against the war. Say "neocons". Mark Allums -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/11/08 17:40, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 04:01:43PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: >> On 04/11/08 15:19, Paul Johnson wrote: > >>> Just because >>> he's >>> dead now doesn't mean he didn't have good ideas that worked wonders, >>> contrary >>> to what Rush thinks. >> Why do we care what an aging art-rock band thinks? > > because Rush is a band > they come from Canada. > In Canada they drink beer. > > qed But it's Molson. You hoser. Ay. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA We want... a Shrubbery!! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH/+rPS9HxQb37XmcRAggYAKDE0BevFYzezun65W0ixfe78ark2wCg0NaR DfE05L6r2+qvabKLb+3pTkA= =/jDm -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 04:01:43PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 04/11/08 15:19, Paul Johnson wrote: > > > Just because > > he's > > dead now doesn't mean he didn't have good ideas that worked wonders, > > contrary > > to what Rush thinks. > > Why do we care what an aging art-rock band thinks? because Rush is a band they come from Canada. In Canada they drink beer. qed A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 02:41:00PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 04/11/08 13:02, Kevin Mark wrote: > [snip] > > Thunderbird is a brand of cheap alcohol mostly drunk by winos --bums. It > > Shame on you for insinuating such a mean thing about the Differently > Drinking the soberly impaired? A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/11/08 15:40, Damon L. Chesser wrote: [snip] > > your knowledge of Linux is very good. Your knowledge of economics is > not as good. The fact that China is sucking up all the oil they can buy > on the free market has nothing to do with $100/barrel, does it? Don't forget India... That's another billion people with a booming economy. > Perhaps > if we passed a law stating you can not sell oil for more then > $50/barrel, everything would be good? The war in Iraq is not good. It > also has nothing to do with the cost of oil. Well, it has *some*, but China+India is the big driver. > Anyway, I joined this list to assist others, and be assisted, not > expound my views on world matters, so I will desist further comments. > You, of course are welcomed to yours and I would not request them to be > silenced. I (mostly) enjoyed reading the banter on the LN lists. At > some point in time you will know Ron is right and Peace and Love WILL > break out (just like it did when The Wall came down and our military was > no longer needed in the ensuing lack of war and destruction) :) Peace Through Nuclear Pacification. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA We want... a Shrubbery!! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH/9QwS9HxQb37XmcRAhn5AJ9Dllp8d3OkelZE6JuyDsaIEZxEUgCfWy94 J4/6leh0ztTOCd0rzM9Qzqk= =nuAI -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/11/08 15:20, Paul Johnson wrote: [snip] > > We saw what happens under Reagan. It degenerates into the libertarian > dystopia we're approaching now. I hate it when I agree with you... - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA We want... a Shrubbery!! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH/9J+S9HxQb37XmcRAlnjAJ0eijHyYE/+2XpIZiHiDtuty31DKACgl+K7 Lw9SBaVnGOeqzJc2+55Zkq0= =3oOu -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/11/08 15:19, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Friday 11 April 2008 08:17:56 am Ron Johnson wrote: >> On 04/11/08 10:03, Paul Johnson wrote: [snip] >>> Depends on the country. In France, they pay less taxes, and with those >>> taxes they get college and healthcare at no extra charge. >> And labor unions so stifling they create 25% unemployment among >> young people. > > The labor movement is not a bad thing. Once you do get a job, you get paid a > family living wage with decent benefits. We once had the same thing in the > US, and the American middle class was far and away better off then, than we > are now. Sure, back in the generation following WW2 when the US economy dominated the world. The big reason why so much manufacturing has fled the US is because unions and liberals are just as short-sighted and selfish as business owners. > > We coulda done that >>> ourselves >> Sure, and pigs could fly out my arse if I pushed hard enough. Got >> any more fantasies? > > We're talking about $12 billion every month. That's a shit-ton of money by > any standard, and it's not like it's going to productive use the way it's > currently being spent. The money's not being taken out back and tossed in the incinerator. Someone's getting the money. >>> over the last 8 years if the conservatives didn't think it to >>> be more productive to flush it down the war... >> Clinton didn't do it, so what makes you think that Gore or JFK would >> have done it? > > Probably because FDR did it last time we were this fucked. FDR implemented universal health care? > Just because he's > dead now doesn't mean he didn't have good ideas that worked wonders, contrary > to what Rush thinks. Why do we care what an aging art-rock band thinks? - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA We want... a Shrubbery!! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH/9G3S9HxQb37XmcRAvyEAKC953KhOk+eZDaFPF1D0aRqImY/JACfdjsk C3gNLRM1lhw1DotRLljEy/0= =51ko -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Paul Johnson wrote: On Friday 11 April 2008 11:29:02 am Rich Healey wrote: pfft. i pay $1.60 AUD a litre for diesel. Petrol prices ar buggered everywhere.. which makes me wonder.. why iraq? wasn't freedom.. and based on evidence sure as bloody hell wasn't oil! Worst yet, the way the whole thing was orchestrated, it handed Osama a victory. What was Osama's big complaints? US bases in Saudi Arabia and Saudi Arabian oil being sold far too cheap. He wanted revenge for the former and for the price of oil to go over $100/barrel. Thanks to Mr. Bush, Osama got exactly what he wanted, even if he is near death living in a cave attached to a dialysis machine. Paul, your knowledge of Linux is very good. Your knowledge of economics is not as good. The fact that China is sucking up all the oil they can buy on the free market has nothing to do with $100/barrel, does it? Perhaps if we passed a law stating you can not sell oil for more then $50/barrel, everything would be good? The war in Iraq is not good. It also has nothing to do with the cost of oil. Anyway, I joined this list to assist others, and be assisted, not expound my views on world matters, so I will desist further comments. You, of course are welcomed to yours and I would not request them to be silenced. I (mostly) enjoyed reading the banter on the LN lists. At some point in time you will know Ron is right and Peace and Love WILL break out (just like it did when The Wall came down and our military was no longer needed in the ensuing lack of war and destruction) :) -- Damon L. Chesser [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Paul Johnson wrote: On Friday 11 April 2008 08:23:19 am Damon L. Chesser wrote: Paul Johnson wrote: On Friday 11 April 2008 06:16:21 am Ron Johnson wrote: On 04/11/08 07:40, Christopher Judd wrote: On Thursday 10 April 2008, Ron Johnson wrote: On 04/10/08 13:51, Andrei Popescu wrote: [snip] It *is* a pain. Friends in Western NY also say that milk about $3/gal. Come on guys, it's not fair. You are complaining about 3$/gal for milk and gas? What about Europe, where we pay 1EUR/litre (and more) !!! According to qalc and current exchange rates: ~$ qalc 1 EUR / litre to USD / gallon (1 * euro) / liter = approx. 6.0093412($ / gal) And according to a Brit friend in France, it's $8.15/gal in Toulouse. But something's got to be cheaper in Europe... Health care would be a big one. And taxes are much lower here, and the torte system so different, and people so much more eager to sue. Depends on the country. In France, they pay less taxes, and with those taxes they get college and healthcare at no extra charge. We coulda done that ourselves over the last 8 years if the conservatives didn't think it to be more productive to flush it down the war... Or think that the gov doesn't/shouldn't need to provide for my necessitates (as I think). Imagine what an economy we would have (in the USA) if we were not paying for the war AND not taking peoples hard earned cash to give for "college and health care". We saw what happens under Reagan. It degenerates into the libertarian dystopia we're approaching now. It does? News to me. Again, study your history, longest un-interrupted economic growth in the history of the US. -- Damon L. Chesser [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Friday 11 April 2008 11:29:02 am Rich Healey wrote: > pfft. i pay $1.60 AUD a litre for diesel. > > Petrol prices ar buggered everywhere.. which makes me wonder.. why iraq? > > wasn't freedom.. and based on evidence sure as bloody hell wasn't oil! Worst yet, the way the whole thing was orchestrated, it handed Osama a victory. What was Osama's big complaints? US bases in Saudi Arabia and Saudi Arabian oil being sold far too cheap. He wanted revenge for the former and for the price of oil to go over $100/barrel. Thanks to Mr. Bush, Osama got exactly what he wanted, even if he is near death living in a cave attached to a dialysis machine. -- Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]
On Friday 11 April 2008 08:23:19 am Damon L. Chesser wrote: > Paul Johnson wrote: > > On Friday 11 April 2008 06:16:21 am Ron Johnson wrote: > >> On 04/11/08 07:40, Christopher Judd wrote: > >>> On Thursday 10 April 2008, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 04/10/08 13:51, Andrei Popescu wrote: > [snip] > >> > >> It *is* a pain. Friends in Western NY also say that milk about > >> $3/gal. > > > > Come on guys, it's not fair. You are complaining about 3$/gal for > > milk and gas? What about Europe, where we pay 1EUR/litre (and more) > > !!! According to qalc and current exchange rates: > > > > ~$ qalc 1 EUR / litre to USD / gallon > > (1 * euro) / liter = approx. 6.0093412($ / gal) > > And according to a Brit friend in France, it's $8.15/gal in Toulouse. > > But something's got to be cheaper in Europe... > >>> > >>> Health care would be a big one. > >> > >> And taxes are much lower here, and the torte system so different, > >> and people so much more eager to sue. > > > > Depends on the country. In France, they pay less taxes, and with those > > taxes they get college and healthcare at no extra charge. We coulda done > > that ourselves over the last 8 years if the conservatives didn't think it > > to be more productive to flush it down the war... > > Or think that the gov doesn't/shouldn't need to provide for my > necessitates (as I think). Imagine what an economy we would have (in the > USA) if we were not paying for the war AND not taking peoples hard > earned cash to give for "college and health care". We saw what happens under Reagan. It degenerates into the libertarian dystopia we're approaching now. -- Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]
On Friday 11 April 2008 08:17:56 am Ron Johnson wrote: > On 04/11/08 10:03, Paul Johnson wrote: > > On Friday 11 April 2008 06:16:21 am Ron Johnson wrote: > >> On 04/11/08 07:40, Christopher Judd wrote: > >>> On Thursday 10 April 2008, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 04/10/08 13:51, Andrei Popescu wrote: > [snip] > >> > >> It *is* a pain. Friends in Western NY also say that milk about > >> $3/gal. > > > > Come on guys, it's not fair. You are complaining about 3$/gal for > > milk and gas? What about Europe, where we pay 1EUR/litre (and more) > > !!! According to qalc and current exchange rates: > > > > ~$ qalc 1 EUR / litre to USD / gallon > > (1 * euro) / liter = approx. 6.0093412($ / gal) > > And according to a Brit friend in France, it's $8.15/gal in Toulouse. > > But something's got to be cheaper in Europe... > >>> > >>> Health care would be a big one. > >> > >> And taxes are much lower here, and the torte system so different, > >> and people so much more eager to sue. > > > > Depends on the country. In France, they pay less taxes, and with those > > taxes they get college and healthcare at no extra charge. > > And labor unions so stifling they create 25% unemployment among > young people. The labor movement is not a bad thing. Once you do get a job, you get paid a family living wage with decent benefits. We once had the same thing in the US, and the American middle class was far and away better off then, than we are now. > We coulda done that > > > > ourselves > > Sure, and pigs could fly out my arse if I pushed hard enough. Got > any more fantasies? We're talking about $12 billion every month. That's a shit-ton of money by any standard, and it's not like it's going to productive use the way it's currently being spent. > > over the last 8 years if the conservatives didn't think it to > > be more productive to flush it down the war... > > Clinton didn't do it, so what makes you think that Gore or JFK would > have done it? Probably because FDR did it last time we were this fucked. Just because he's dead now doesn't mean he didn't have good ideas that worked wonders, contrary to what Rush thinks. -- Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/11/08 13:02, Kevin Mark wrote: [snip] > Thunderbird is a brand of cheap alcohol mostly drunk by winos --bums. It Shame on you for insinuating such a mean thing about the Differently Drinking - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA We want... a Shrubbery!! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH/77MS9HxQb37XmcRApQKAKDccyWTwqyW39cgANn2XXWbjnibpACeJvjh TVOAZnbegZjG4tp9q9EMnaY= =0vgf -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ron Johnson wrote: > On 04/10/08 13:51, Andrei Popescu wrote: >> On Sun, Apr 06, 2008 at 04:04:30PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: >>> On 04/06/08 15:51, Paul Johnson wrote: On Sunday 06 April 2008 05:03:13 am Ron Johnson wrote: > On 04/06/08 02:20, Nate Duehr wrote: > > [snip] > >> What a deal! I bet ALL of the "concerned parents" will be sending BOTH >> the difference in their original taxes in 2006 and their rebate checks >> straight to the education system. (Rolling eyes.) > Yes, I'm sure we will. With gas at .gt. US$3/gal and milk at .gt. > US$4/gal Wow, sucks to be you... I can't remember a time where milk has been more than $3/gal even during a shortage... >>> It *is* a pain. Friends in Western NY also say that milk about $3/gal. > >> Come on guys, it's not fair. You are complaining about 3$/gal for milk >> and gas? What about Europe, where we pay 1EUR/litre (and more) !!! >> According to qalc and current exchange rates: > >> ~$ qalc 1 EUR / litre to USD / gallon >> (1 * euro) / liter = approx. 6.0093412($ / gal) > > And according to a Brit friend in France, it's $8.15/gal in Toulouse. > > But something's got to be cheaper in Europe... > pfft. i pay $1.60 AUD a litre for diesel. Petrol prices ar buggered everywhere.. which makes me wonder.. why iraq? wasn't freedom.. and based on evidence sure as bloody hell wasn't oil! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH/63uLeTfO4yBSAcRAswxAJ9ZNOaDJYS41MLFEGpzTvfS1OlUkQCgjT0G cfdFmkzHxU+zTZvwKjkumQk= =5nPb -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]
On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 08:54:20AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 04/11/08 08:18, David Fox wrote: > > On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 11:23 AM, Andrew Sackville-West > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> Hey! I'm almost poor, ignorant of many things, and often boorish, but > >> I'll *never* drink cheap beer, you insensitive clod! > > > > You know, thunderbird isn't just a web browser. :) > > Hah!! > > (Is that just an Americanism?) Thunderbird is a brand of cheap alcohol mostly drunk by winos --bums. It is noted for the logo on the bottle which is a bird. -K -- | .''`. == Debian GNU/Linux == | my web site: | | : :' : The Universal |mysite.verizon.net/kevin.mark/| | `. `' Operating System| go to counter.li.org and | | `-http://www.debian.org/ |be counted! #238656 | | my keyserver: subkeys.pgp.net | my NPO: cfsg.org | |join the new debian-community.org to help Debian! | |___ Unless I ask to be CCd, assume I am subscribed ___| -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]
Paul Johnson wrote: On Friday 11 April 2008 06:16:21 am Ron Johnson wrote: On 04/11/08 07:40, Christopher Judd wrote: On Thursday 10 April 2008, Ron Johnson wrote: On 04/10/08 13:51, Andrei Popescu wrote: [snip] It *is* a pain. Friends in Western NY also say that milk about $3/gal. Come on guys, it's not fair. You are complaining about 3$/gal for milk and gas? What about Europe, where we pay 1EUR/litre (and more) !!! According to qalc and current exchange rates: ~$ qalc 1 EUR / litre to USD / gallon (1 * euro) / liter = approx. 6.0093412($ / gal) And according to a Brit friend in France, it's $8.15/gal in Toulouse. But something's got to be cheaper in Europe... Health care would be a big one. And taxes are much lower here, and the torte system so different, and people so much more eager to sue. Depends on the country. In France, they pay less taxes, and with those taxes they get college and healthcare at no extra charge. We coulda done that ourselves over the last 8 years if the conservatives didn't think it to be more productive to flush it down the war... Or think that the gov doesn't/shouldn't need to provide for my necessitates (as I think). Imagine what an economy we would have (in the USA) if we were not paying for the war AND not taking peoples hard earned cash to give for "college and health care". IMHO, if you want college, get a job, pay for the class one at a time and save your money. Why should I pay for your education and your health care? Pay for it yourself. Do the math: save your insurance premium every month and in a year, you could pay CASH for major surgery (but not catastrophic care). I think socialism on a volunteer basis is a fine thing, I think on a mandatory basis, it is nothing short of theft. Yes, I do donate large amounts of my cash to charities, no I am not by any def. wealthy. And yes, I paid out of my pocket $10K in health costs this year alone. I practice what I preach. Less Gov is the solution, not mandatory coverage. "The Great Society" of LBJ is what started this health care mess, it did not fix anything. Study your history. And while I am ranting, it is not your employers job to pay for your health care either, and if they do, it is just a benefit, not a right. In almost all cases, you can get better coverage yourself for cheaper, just your boss will not be assisting your payments. Phew, I feel better. I am now donning my fire suite. -- Damon L. Chesser [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/11/08 10:03, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Friday 11 April 2008 06:16:21 am Ron Johnson wrote: >> On 04/11/08 07:40, Christopher Judd wrote: >>> On Thursday 10 April 2008, Ron Johnson wrote: On 04/10/08 13:51, Andrei Popescu wrote: [snip] >> It *is* a pain. Friends in Western NY also say that milk about >> $3/gal. > Come on guys, it's not fair. You are complaining about 3$/gal for milk > and gas? What about Europe, where we pay 1EUR/litre (and more) !!! > According to qalc and current exchange rates: > > ~$ qalc 1 EUR / litre to USD / gallon > (1 * euro) / liter = approx. 6.0093412($ / gal) And according to a Brit friend in France, it's $8.15/gal in Toulouse. But something's got to be cheaper in Europe... >>> Health care would be a big one. >> And taxes are much lower here, and the torte system so different, >> and people so much more eager to sue. > > Depends on the country. In France, they pay less taxes, and with those taxes > they get college and healthcare at no extra charge. And labor unions so stifling they create 25% unemployment among young people. > We coulda done that > ourselves Sure, and pigs could fly out my arse if I pushed hard enough. Got any more fantasies? > over the last 8 years if the conservatives didn't think it to be > more productive to flush it down the war... Clinton didn't do it, so what makes you think that Gore or JFK would have done it? - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA We want... a Shrubbery!! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH/4EkS9HxQb37XmcRAj1sAJ9YAra8ITvolTj2Ti6HNo/T2uQ1OACfZU/w UXzhhCvoJHbHYChurN/QnSY= =4d4O -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]
On Friday 11 April 2008 06:16:21 am Ron Johnson wrote: > On 04/11/08 07:40, Christopher Judd wrote: > > On Thursday 10 April 2008, Ron Johnson wrote: > >> On 04/10/08 13:51, Andrei Popescu wrote: > >> [snip] > > It *is* a pain. Friends in Western NY also say that milk about > $3/gal. > >>> > >>> Come on guys, it's not fair. You are complaining about 3$/gal for milk > >>> and gas? What about Europe, where we pay 1EUR/litre (and more) !!! > >>> According to qalc and current exchange rates: > >>> > >>> ~$ qalc 1 EUR / litre to USD / gallon > >>> (1 * euro) / liter = approx. 6.0093412($ / gal) > >> > >> And according to a Brit friend in France, it's $8.15/gal in Toulouse. > >> > >> But something's got to be cheaper in Europe... > > > > Health care would be a big one. > > And taxes are much lower here, and the torte system so different, > and people so much more eager to sue. Depends on the country. In France, they pay less taxes, and with those taxes they get college and healthcare at no extra charge. We coulda done that ourselves over the last 8 years if the conservatives didn't think it to be more productive to flush it down the war... -- Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/11/08 08:18, David Fox wrote: > On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 11:23 AM, Andrew Sackville-West > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Hey! I'm almost poor, ignorant of many things, and often boorish, but >> I'll *never* drink cheap beer, you insensitive clod! > > You know, thunderbird isn't just a web browser. :) Hah!! (Is that just an Americanism?) - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA We want... a Shrubbery!! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH/22MS9HxQb37XmcRAuwDAKCtJNRHRaUUyz09u6TRku5vR+qvOACgsKIC aj1K2DOhxa5kxMC2WeXGkU4= =NpFr -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 11:23 AM, Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey! I'm almost poor, ignorant of many things, and often boorish, but > I'll *never* drink cheap beer, you insensitive clod! You know, thunderbird isn't just a web browser. :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/11/08 07:40, Christopher Judd wrote: > On Thursday 10 April 2008, Ron Johnson wrote: >> On 04/10/08 13:51, Andrei Popescu wrote: > >> [snip] >> > It *is* a pain. Friends in Western NY also say that milk about $3/gal. >>> Come on guys, it's not fair. You are complaining about 3$/gal for milk >>> and gas? What about Europe, where we pay 1EUR/litre (and more) !!! >>> According to qalc and current exchange rates: >>> >>> ~$ qalc 1 EUR / litre to USD / gallon >>> (1 * euro) / liter = approx. 6.0093412($ / gal) >> And according to a Brit friend in France, it's $8.15/gal in Toulouse. >> >> But something's got to be cheaper in Europe... >> > > Health care would be a big one. And taxes are much lower here, and the torte system so different, and people so much more eager to sue. > Probably many other items, also, depending on where exactly in Europe you > are looking. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA We want... a Shrubbery!! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH/2SkS9HxQb37XmcRAljrAKCFPwVOvxzB+QAeRUI68zwNPhaoFQCghTKd ruqd2YgRuyjnweln+/4pZek= =qgNd -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]
On Thursday 10 April 2008, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 04/10/08 13:51, Andrei Popescu wrote: > [snip] > > >> > >> It *is* a pain. Friends in Western NY also say that milk about $3/gal. > > > > Come on guys, it's not fair. You are complaining about 3$/gal for milk > > and gas? What about Europe, where we pay 1EUR/litre (and more) !!! > > According to qalc and current exchange rates: > > > > ~$ qalc 1 EUR / litre to USD / gallon > > (1 * euro) / liter = approx. 6.0093412($ / gal) > > And according to a Brit friend in France, it's $8.15/gal in Toulouse. > > But something's got to be cheaper in Europe... > > -- Health care would be a big one. Probably many other items, also, depending on where exactly in Europe you are looking. -Chris | Christopher Judd, Ph. D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | IMPORTANT NOTICE: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential or sensitive information which is, or may be, legally privileged or otherwise protected by law from further disclosure. It is intended only for the addressee. If you received this in error or from someone who was not authorized to send it to you, please do not distribute, copy or use it or any attachments. Please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this from your system. Thank you for your cooperation. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]
On Thursday 10 April 2008 11:51:24 am Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Sun, Apr 06, 2008 at 04:04:30PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > On 04/06/08 15:51, Paul Johnson wrote: > > > On Sunday 06 April 2008 05:03:13 am Ron Johnson wrote: > > >> On 04/06/08 02:20, Nate Duehr wrote: > > >> > > >> [snip] > > >> > > >>> What a deal! I bet ALL of the "concerned parents" will be sending > > >>> BOTH the difference in their original taxes in 2006 and their rebate > > >>> checks straight to the education system. (Rolling eyes.) > > >> > > >> Yes, I'm sure we will. With gas at .gt. US$3/gal and milk at .gt. > > >> US$4/gal > > > > > > Wow, sucks to be you... I can't remember a time where milk has been > > > more than $3/gal even during a shortage... > > > > It *is* a pain. Friends in Western NY also say that milk about $3/gal. > > Come on guys, it's not fair. You are complaining about 3$/gal for milk > and gas? What about Europe, where we pay 1EUR/litre (and more) !!! > According to qalc and current exchange rates: > > ~$ qalc 1 EUR / litre to USD / gallon > (1 * euro) / liter = approx. 6.0093412($ / gal) OTOH, Europe has had a hell of a lot longer to adjust to these changes. In 10 years, IIRC, y'all have only seen about a 20% increase in fuel prices. Depending on where you are in North America, it's between a 300% and a 500% increase over the same time. -- Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/10/08 13:51, Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Sun, Apr 06, 2008 at 04:04:30PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: >> On 04/06/08 15:51, Paul Johnson wrote: >>> On Sunday 06 April 2008 05:03:13 am Ron Johnson wrote: On 04/06/08 02:20, Nate Duehr wrote: [snip] > What a deal! I bet ALL of the "concerned parents" will be sending BOTH > the difference in their original taxes in 2006 and their rebate checks > straight to the education system. (Rolling eyes.) Yes, I'm sure we will. With gas at .gt. US$3/gal and milk at .gt. US$4/gal >>> Wow, sucks to be you... I can't remember a time where milk has been more >>> than >>> $3/gal even during a shortage... >> It *is* a pain. Friends in Western NY also say that milk about $3/gal. > > Come on guys, it's not fair. You are complaining about 3$/gal for milk > and gas? What about Europe, where we pay 1EUR/litre (and more) !!! > According to qalc and current exchange rates: > > ~$ qalc 1 EUR / litre to USD / gallon > (1 * euro) / liter = approx. 6.0093412($ / gal) And according to a Brit friend in France, it's $8.15/gal in Toulouse. But something's got to be cheaper in Europe... - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA We want... a Shrubbery!! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH/mYuS9HxQb37XmcRAi3qAJ92o0LNu0QCcRibYjU1CGR4XQ7x7QCfeXwq /P+7ZDLIQBFK1+66QiFCFq0= =M2sM -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]
On Sun, Apr 06, 2008 at 04:04:30PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 04/06/08 15:51, Paul Johnson wrote: > > On Sunday 06 April 2008 05:03:13 am Ron Johnson wrote: > >> On 04/06/08 02:20, Nate Duehr wrote: > >> > >> [snip] > >> > >>> What a deal! I bet ALL of the "concerned parents" will be sending BOTH > >>> the difference in their original taxes in 2006 and their rebate checks > >>> straight to the education system. (Rolling eyes.) > >> Yes, I'm sure we will. With gas at .gt. US$3/gal and milk at .gt. > >> US$4/gal > > > > Wow, sucks to be you... I can't remember a time where milk has been more > > than > > $3/gal even during a shortage... > > It *is* a pain. Friends in Western NY also say that milk about $3/gal. Come on guys, it's not fair. You are complaining about 3$/gal for milk and gas? What about Europe, where we pay 1EUR/litre (and more) !!! According to qalc and current exchange rates: ~$ qalc 1 EUR / litre to USD / gallon (1 * euro) / liter = approx. 6.0093412($ / gal) Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 09:14:00 +1200 Chris Bannister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello Chris, > On Sun, Apr 06, 2008 at 03:51:07PM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: > > The Prisoner - Patrick McGoohan. > Congratulations. > 10pts Cheers, Chris. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)radnever immediately apparent" I'll be the paint on the side if you'll be the tin Love Song - The Damned signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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On Sun, Apr 06, 2008 at 03:45:22PM -0400, Hal Vaughan wrote: > On Sunday 06 April 2008, Brad Rogers wrote: > > unfulfilling. Patrick McGoohan always maintains there's more to it > > than that. He refuses, however, to be drawn on the subject. Which, > > in itself is just as weird. :-) > > No, it's not. As Joe Straczynski, the creator of Babylon 5 has often > said, to suggest is to create, to define is to destroy. > > Many people who create something they've worked hard on do not want to > talk about the creative process or to tell people what was intended. > To do so limits the interpretations and leads people to think that Especially if its the media asking. > If someone jumped out of a time portal today and said, "I've been > hopping around in time and know why La Giaconda is smiling," it would > limit the interest in the painting. It certainly would for there shalt be far more important questions to ask him, under torture if necessary, and some serious analysis of that dar "time portal". -- Chris. == If you are not subscribed, ask to be CC'd as the Policy of this list is to reply to the list only. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sun, Apr 06, 2008 at 09:56:32AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > /The Prisoner/, Patrick McGoohan. Google makes this kind of thing > too easy. Ooops -1000pts -- Chris. == If you are not subscribed, ask to be CC'd as the Policy of this list is to reply to the list only. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sun, Apr 06, 2008 at 03:51:07PM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: > On Mon, 7 Apr 2008 02:44:53 +1200 > Chris Bannister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hello Chris, > > > "No man is an Island." "I'm not a number I'm a free man!" > > 10pts for the program and the actor. > > The Prisoner - Patrick McGoohan. Congratulations. 10pts -- Chris. == If you are not subscribed, ask to be CC'd as the Policy of this list is to reply to the list only. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Mon, Apr 07, 2008 at 11:07:35PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 04/06/08 13:23, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > > On Sat, Apr 05, 2008 at 06:33:47PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > > > >> And of course the poor, ignorant and boorish aren't reading this > >> list. Why? They're drinking cheap beer and procreating like rabbits. > > > > Hey! I'm almost poor, > > /Almost/ is the key word. Besides, poverty is a state of mind and > of the soul. indeed. ... > > >but > > I'll *never* drink cheap beer, you insensitive clod! > > Drinking expensive beer is probably why you are almost poor... better poor with a good beer than rich and drinking swill. A > > > ;-P > > > > Although, having three kids puts me close to the rabbit level of > > procreation... > > Nah. 4 gets you in the stadium, and 5 gets you in the game. well, we're done with kids (making them, that is) so I guess I'll never make that team. A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/06/08 13:23, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > On Sat, Apr 05, 2008 at 06:33:47PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > >> And of course the poor, ignorant and boorish aren't reading this >> list. Why? They're drinking cheap beer and procreating like rabbits. > > Hey! I'm almost poor, /Almost/ is the key word. Besides, poverty is a state of mind and of the soul. >ignorant of many things, Everyone is. > and often boorish, Didn't you know that all males except... well, never mind. We shouldn't go there on a public list. >but > I'll *never* drink cheap beer, you insensitive clod! Drinking expensive beer is probably why you are almost poor... > ;-P > > Although, having three kids puts me close to the rabbit level of > procreation... Nah. 4 gets you in the stadium, and 5 gets you in the game. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA We want... a Shrubbery!! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH+u+HS9HxQb37XmcRAjq4AKDRyyTGDhqlpqMCkpMWSWG9aD8GhACfQZka aVEY6lFj62mheMAYqNr4aTI= =LLWo -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sat, Apr 05, 2008 at 06:51:07PM -0600, Nate Duehr wrote: > > On Apr 5, 2008, at 3:25 PM, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > >> I have seen direct evidence of the problem inherent in reply-to >> munging. We had a student reply to an email thinking she was replying >> only to the instructor and instead sent her tearful sounding pleas to >> the entire class list. Not cool. Much better to err on the side of >> sending mail to fewer people than the opposite. > > > Call me a masochist if you like, but I think stuff like that IS cool. > It also shows very dramatically the inherent problems with using e-mail > for human communication. > > If she really was that distressed, why wasn't she in his office for > office hours IMMEDIATELY? Oh, I'm right there with you. I don't agree with what she did. If she was having that much trouble, she should have been a little more pro-active than to send an email, but it happened, so there it is. A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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On Sat, Apr 05, 2008 at 06:33:47PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > And of course the poor, ignorant and boorish aren't reading this > list. Why? They're drinking cheap beer and procreating like rabbits. Hey! I'm almost poor, ignorant of many things, and often boorish, but I'll *never* drink cheap beer, you insensitive clod! ;-P Although, having three kids puts me close to the rabbit level of procreation... A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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On Sun, Apr 06, 2008 at 07:45:59PM -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > I remember upgrading my C-64's 300 baud modem to a 1200baud one. That > was so cool. No more typing faster than the modem... I used to "chat" > with my friends using terminal programs we'd written ourselves > complete with xmodem protocol all written in c-64 basic. (I even had a > rudimentary scripting language built-in to mine to allow scripting the > handshake/login procedures at various bulletin boards. ) I don't know > why we didn't just call each other. It would have been so much > easier... geeks. I made a spark-gap transmitter to send morse code to my friend's AM radio three blocks away. Of course, I was sending to everyone within 6 blocks, and the antenna reached half-way there anyway through the tops of the oak trees. Honest dad, I don't know how that wire ended up there... I still remember the magic a few years ago (I know it wasn't magic, but hey) when I was in a motel in Owen Sound Ontario for the winter and couldn't get a decent weather report. I hooked my portable SW receiver to the laptop, installed hamfax (off the set of Woody CDs), and pulled off the weather map from the Sackville Nova Scotia Coast Guard Radio. Not bad considering I had just the built-in antenna and the Coast Guard was transmitting to the Atlantic Ocean, not the Great Lakes. That was the same P-II laptop that I was reading in a tent when the tent got hit (or just missed) by lightening. Thank heavens for metal poles. The display is fried and now the battery and hard drive are dead so I am laptopless. Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sun, Apr 06, 2008 at 09:19:24PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 04/06/08 19:11, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > > On Sat, Apr 05, 2008 at 08:04:04PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > >> Totally ACK! This is the kind of situation that inflames my > >> crotchetiness gland and impels me to pull out my cane and ear horn. > > > > Yeah, when you were a student, you did the same thing with a carrier > > pidgeon, carrying a role of punched paper tape. :) Or was it morse code > > over the prof's car radio? > > Nah. I made friends with a guy who had an Apple ][ and a SmartModem > 300. I remember upgrading my C-64's 300 baud modem to a 1200baud one. That was so cool. No more typing faster than the modem... I used to "chat" with my friends using terminal programs we'd written ourselves complete with xmodem protocol all written in c-64 basic. (I even had a rudimentary scripting language built-in to mine to allow scripting the handshake/login procedures at various bulletin boards. ) I don't know why we didn't just call each other. It would have been so much easier... geeks. A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/06/08 20:08, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > On Sun, Apr 06, 2008 at 03:59:45PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > >> Not really, since I didn't become a teenager until the mid-70s. >> > > I thought you were an old fart. You're my age. I was born in 66. > > Oh, wait a minute... You're my wife's age. I'm actually (barely) a baby boomer. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA We want... a Shrubbery!! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH+YTeS9HxQb37XmcRAg+TAJ0e5+C0qwC+1NJcTrUFSo5vIO2vCwCgz3AY xeBWsYnFpzjANA+E99gZxsg= =geRE -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/06/08 19:11, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > On Sat, Apr 05, 2008 at 08:04:04PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > >> Totally ACK! This is the kind of situation that inflames my >> crotchetiness gland and impels me to pull out my cane and ear horn. > > Yeah, when you were a student, you did the same thing with a carrier > pidgeon, carrying a role of punched paper tape. :) Or was it morse code > over the prof's car radio? Nah. I made friends with a guy who had an Apple ][ and a SmartModem 300. Once we convinced the teacher, we were able to dial into their ansync modems and use a really cruddy host-based line-oriented text editor to enter in FORTRAN IV code. Kept us away from the keypunch machines. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA We want... a Shrubbery!! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH+YSsS9HxQb37XmcRAq8hAJ4plGRMF2h9J7kg5rVw20RaOg8PbACfca3V uX9D2s9/RiTM08Ne97LCoKw= =+BaP -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sun, Apr 06, 2008 at 08:23:20PM -0400, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > > Great OT thread. Yes, no flaming. > > Last time it was like this, Etch was almost ready... so now we can twiddle our thumbs, go on random OT rants and rest assured that lenny will be out any time. When's the next utnubu due out? That always brings a few interesting ones. Maybe we should run some more google trends charts? > > I'm trying to remember the last real Etch problem (as opposed to Lenny > or Sid questions) other than those where the answer was to remove > network-manager :) that thing should be automatically purged and then quickly forgotten. A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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On Sun, Apr 06, 2008 at 09:08:23PM -0400, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > On Sun, Apr 06, 2008 at 03:59:45PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > Not really, since I didn't become a teenager until the mid-70s. > > > > I thought you were an old fart. You're my age. I was born in 66. > > Oh, wait a minute... dang Doug, you're older than my wife!! And I thought she was ols[ZATH*00er7F* ouch... those shoes really *do* hurt... :) A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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On Sun, Apr 06, 2008 at 03:59:45PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > Not really, since I didn't become a teenager until the mid-70s. > I thought you were an old fart. You're my age. I was born in 66. Oh, wait a minute... Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Great OT thread. Yes, no flaming. Last time it was like this, Etch was almost ready... I'm trying to remember the last real Etch problem (as opposed to Lenny or Sid questions) other than those where the answer was to remove network-manager :) Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sat, Apr 05, 2008 at 08:04:04PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > Totally ACK! This is the kind of situation that inflames my > crotchetiness gland and impels me to pull out my cane and ear horn. Yeah, when you were a student, you did the same thing with a carrier pidgeon, carrying a role of punched paper tape. :) Or was it morse code over the prof's car radio? Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sunday 06 April 2008 02:18:18 pm John C. Ellingboe wrote: > Paul Johnson wrote: > > On Sunday 06 April 2008 09:02:41 am Ron Johnson wrote: > >>And the 1933 /King Kong/, the B&W /Secret Garden/ (which my 8yo > >>daughter likes), and the live action Disney movies from the late 50s > >>thru mid 70s like /The Shaggy Dog/, /Flubber/, /The World's > >>Strongest Man/, /Escape From Witch Mountain/ etc. > >> > >>Turner Classic Movies is *the* channel in our house. It and a PVR > >>that burns DVDs are unbeatable. > > > > Song of the South was really good, and despite having a ride themed after > > it at pretty much every Disney park, odds of finding a copy of Song of > > the South on anything but an old Japanese laserdisc are pretty slim these > > days. > > Try googling for "song of the south" and see just how slim the odds are. A legitimate copy, not a pirate DVD of it. -- Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
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Paul Johnson wrote: On Sunday 06 April 2008 09:02:41 am Ron Johnson wrote: And the 1933 /King Kong/, the B&W /Secret Garden/ (which my 8yo daughter likes), and the live action Disney movies from the late 50s thru mid 70s like /The Shaggy Dog/, /Flubber/, /The World's Strongest Man/, /Escape From Witch Mountain/ etc. Turner Classic Movies is *the* channel in our house. It and a PVR that burns DVDs are unbeatable. Song of the South was really good, and despite having a ride themed after it at pretty much every Disney park, odds of finding a copy of Song of the South on anything but an old Japanese laserdisc are pretty slim these days. Try googling for "song of the south" and see just how slim the odds are. begin:vcard fn:John C. Ellingboe - KE4BPW n:Ellingboe;John C. org:The Guntersville Computer Center email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Owner/Admin x-mozilla-html:FALSE version:2.1 end:vcard
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/06/08 15:56, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Sunday 06 April 2008 09:02:41 am Ron Johnson wrote: > >> And the 1933 /King Kong/, the B&W /Secret Garden/ (which my 8yo >> daughter likes), and the live action Disney movies from the late 50s >> thru mid 70s like /The Shaggy Dog/, /Flubber/, /The World's >> Strongest Man/, /Escape From Witch Mountain/ etc. >> >> Turner Classic Movies is *the* channel in our house. It and a PVR >> that burns DVDs are unbeatable. > > Song of the South was really good, and despite having a ride themed after it > at pretty much every Disney park, odds of finding a copy of Song of the South > on anything but an old Japanese laserdisc are pretty slim these days. And /Little Black Sambo/. I loved it as a child, and when we finally found it and read it to our children, did not notice it to be excessively racist (given the era that it was written). - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA We want... a Shrubbery!! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH+TuXS9HxQb37XmcRAkMOAKDCs7ywUHoyPnWaj7MRTb3Et3MzKgCgqRLP utK7YDbY68Wk5z5p2NmIfnU= =IhxK -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/06/08 15:51, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Sunday 06 April 2008 05:03:13 am Ron Johnson wrote: >> On 04/06/08 02:20, Nate Duehr wrote: >> >> [snip] >> >>> What a deal! I bet ALL of the "concerned parents" will be sending BOTH >>> the difference in their original taxes in 2006 and their rebate checks >>> straight to the education system. (Rolling eyes.) >> Yes, I'm sure we will. With gas at .gt. US$3/gal and milk at .gt. >> US$4/gal > > Wow, sucks to be you... I can't remember a time where milk has been more than > $3/gal even during a shortage... It *is* a pain. Friends in Western NY also say that milk about $3/gal. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA We want... a Shrubbery!! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH+TreS9HxQb37XmcRAjk1AKCx6+R9hAFHQahguaFdWP2Mgwp2/ACaAxn2 oTLj/SeVRa/QnFW/G3UIyXk= =JNjs -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/06/08 15:53, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Sunday 06 April 2008 08:18:32 am Ron Johnson wrote: >> On 04/06/08 10:06, Brad Rogers wrote: >>> On Sun, 06 Apr 2008 09:56:32 -0500 >>> Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> Hello Ron, >>> /The Prisoner/, Patrick McGoohan. Google makes this kind of thing too easy. >>> I didn't need Google; I watched it as a kid. Sheesh, I'm starting to >>> feel old again. :-( >> I watched it as a teenager (because PBS didn't run it in the late >> 60s, and I wouldn't have cared, even if they did), but didn't obsess >> over it. > > Well, it probably didn't help that PBS didn't even launch until October 1970. Not really, since I didn't become a teenager until the mid-70s. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA We want... a Shrubbery!! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH+TnBS9HxQb37XmcRArGdAJsGklEpU1aCwqExX2hzJ9rytPoTrwCcDJJF 2RBgswDuyqDv+Ogxt8Sq87Q= =mUjm -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sunday 06 April 2008 09:02:41 am Ron Johnson wrote: > And the 1933 /King Kong/, the B&W /Secret Garden/ (which my 8yo > daughter likes), and the live action Disney movies from the late 50s > thru mid 70s like /The Shaggy Dog/, /Flubber/, /The World's > Strongest Man/, /Escape From Witch Mountain/ etc. > > Turner Classic Movies is *the* channel in our house. It and a PVR > that burns DVDs are unbeatable. Song of the South was really good, and despite having a ride themed after it at pretty much every Disney park, odds of finding a copy of Song of the South on anything but an old Japanese laserdisc are pretty slim these days. -- Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
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On Sunday 06 April 2008 08:18:32 am Ron Johnson wrote: > On 04/06/08 10:06, Brad Rogers wrote: > > On Sun, 06 Apr 2008 09:56:32 -0500 > > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Hello Ron, > > > >> /The Prisoner/, Patrick McGoohan. Google makes this kind of thing > >> too easy. > > > > I didn't need Google; I watched it as a kid. Sheesh, I'm starting to > > feel old again. :-( > > I watched it as a teenager (because PBS didn't run it in the late > 60s, and I wouldn't have cared, even if they did), but didn't obsess > over it. Well, it probably didn't help that PBS didn't even launch until October 1970. -- Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
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On Sunday 06 April 2008 05:03:13 am Ron Johnson wrote: > On 04/06/08 02:20, Nate Duehr wrote: > > [snip] > > > What a deal! I bet ALL of the "concerned parents" will be sending BOTH > > the difference in their original taxes in 2006 and their rebate checks > > straight to the education system. (Rolling eyes.) > > Yes, I'm sure we will. With gas at .gt. US$3/gal and milk at .gt. > US$4/gal Wow, sucks to be you... I can't remember a time where milk has been more than $3/gal even during a shortage... -- Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
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On Sunday 06 April 2008, Brad Rogers wrote: > On Sun, 6 Apr 2008 10:56:10 -0500 > Dave Sherohman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hello Dave, > > > > younger. It was just weird. > > > > Yes, it was. Wasn't that the point? > > To a degree, yes. In the end, if that's all it is, then it's > unfulfilling. Patrick McGoohan always maintains there's more to it > than that. He refuses, however, to be drawn on the subject. Which, > in itself is just as weird. :-) No, it's not. As Joe Straczynski, the creator of Babylon 5 has often said, to suggest is to create, to define is to destroy. Many people who create something they've worked hard on do not want to talk about the creative process or to tell people what was intended. To do so limits the interpretations and leads people to think that there is only interpretation to the work. When the discussion stops around such a creation, it no longer holds the interest it did. If someone jumped out of a time portal today and said, "I've been hopping around in time and know why La Giaconda is smiling," it would limit the interest in the painting. If we knew whether the protagonist picked the lady or picked the tiger, the short story would hold no interest. If we knew for sure why Hamlet is such a wimp, much of what compels people to reinterpret the play over and over would be gone. Hal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sun, 06 Apr 2008 13:11:37 -0500 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello Ron, > Since it's obvious that pre-teen don't get /The Prisoner/, next time > I guess I'd better not give such broad examples of changing taste. :-) OTOH, ti was the obvious choice, given the genesis of this sub-thread. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)radnever immediately apparent" Every single one of us Devil Inside - INXS signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/06/08 11:20, Brad Rogers wrote: > On Sun, 06 Apr 2008 10:40:09 -0500 > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hello Ron, > >> Preferences change... My children *love* the same movies and > > True, but The Prisoner was not really aimed at a young (i.e. > pre-teen) audience. Since it's obvious that pre-teen don't get /The Prisoner/, next time I guess I'd better not give such broad examples of changing taste. >> cartoons that I liked when I was young, but now they just bore me to > > Because you've matured, and the cartoon haven't changed, and have > little, if any, content for adults. > >> tears. Better, though, than letting them watch Yu-Gi-Oh. > > Infinitely. > - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA We want... a Shrubbery!! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH+RJZS9HxQb37XmcRAj2SAKDJDRLGruf0+UpY8Bg5iZd3hmX7cACbB2zh /ceeetaJUYfaSLmrGxfUIzs= =YoqN -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sun, 6 Apr 2008 10:56:10 -0500 Dave Sherohman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello Dave, > > younger. It was just weird. > Yes, it was. Wasn't that the point? To a degree, yes. In the end, if that's all it is, then it's unfulfilling. Patrick McGoohan always maintains there's more to it than that. He refuses, however, to be drawn on the subject. Which, in itself is just as weird. :-) -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)radnever immediately apparent" Early morning when I wake up, I look like Kiss but without the make up Strong - Robbie Williams signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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On Sun, 06 Apr 2008 10:40:09 -0500 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello Ron, > Preferences change... My children *love* the same movies and True, but The Prisoner was not really aimed at a young (i.e. pre-teen) audience. > cartoons that I liked when I was young, but now they just bore me to Because you've matured, and the cartoon haven't changed, and have little, if any, content for adults. > tears. Better, though, than letting them watch Yu-Gi-Oh. Infinitely. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)radnever immediately apparent" Black man got a lot of problems, but he don't mind throwing a brick White Riot - The Clash signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/06/08 10:44, Hal Vaughan wrote: > On Sunday 06 April 2008, Ron Johnson wrote: >> On 04/06/08 10:31, Brad Rogers wrote: >>> On Sun, 06 Apr 2008 10:18:32 -0500 >>> Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> Hello Ron, >>> I watched it as a teenager (because PBS didn't run it in the late 60s, and I wouldn't have cared, even if they did), but didn't obsess over it. >>> Nor me, TBH. I did try watching it a few years ago when they did >>> re-runs over here. Frankly, I don't know what I saw in it when I >>> was younger. It was just weird. >> Preferences change... My children *love* the same movies and >> cartoons that I liked when I was young, but now they just bore me to >> tears. Better, though, than letting them watch Yu-Gi-Oh. > > Yeah, I can't see how any of the stuff today can compete with Johnny > Quest. And the 1933 /King Kong/, the B&W /Secret Garden/ (which my 8yo daughter likes), and the live action Disney movies from the late 50s thru mid 70s like /The Shaggy Dog/, /Flubber/, /The World's Strongest Man/, /Escape From Witch Mountain/ etc. Turner Classic Movies is *the* channel in our house. It and a PVR that burns DVDs are unbeatable. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA We want... a Shrubbery!! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH+PQhS9HxQb37XmcRAl+nAKCk2/ZhdWZBm0lFEgbZtPe38NolQgCgg/kB 9A1Jcb6lYjeiQ4wbk8HP9IM= =mJMs -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sun, Apr 06, 2008 at 04:31:28PM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: > Frankly, I don't know what I saw in it when I was > younger. It was just weird. Yes, it was. Wasn't that the point? -- News aggregation meets world domination. Can you see the fnews? http://seethefnews.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sunday 06 April 2008, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 04/06/08 10:31, Brad Rogers wrote: > > On Sun, 06 Apr 2008 10:18:32 -0500 > > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Hello Ron, > > > >> I watched it as a teenager (because PBS didn't run it in the late > >> 60s, and I wouldn't have cared, even if they did), but didn't > >> obsess over it. > > > > Nor me, TBH. I did try watching it a few years ago when they did > > re-runs over here. Frankly, I don't know what I saw in it when I > > was younger. It was just weird. > > Preferences change... My children *love* the same movies and > cartoons that I liked when I was young, but now they just bore me to > tears. Better, though, than letting them watch Yu-Gi-Oh. Yeah, I can't see how any of the stuff today can compete with Johnny Quest. Hal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/06/08 10:31, Brad Rogers wrote: > On Sun, 06 Apr 2008 10:18:32 -0500 > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hello Ron, > >> I watched it as a teenager (because PBS didn't run it in the late >> 60s, and I wouldn't have cared, even if they did), but didn't obsess >> over it. > > Nor me, TBH. I did try watching it a few years ago when they did > re-runs over here. Frankly, I don't know what I saw in it when I was > younger. It was just weird. Preferences change... My children *love* the same movies and cartoons that I liked when I was young, but now they just bore me to tears. Better, though, than letting them watch Yu-Gi-Oh. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA We want... a Shrubbery!! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH+O7ZS9HxQb37XmcRAvX8AJ4iiEgzNCRUhXe3KEOY0C1eY9ph4wCfeXko EnAaGxds8DdAcYm0byKYuhc= =MxkC -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sun, 06 Apr 2008 10:18:32 -0500 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello Ron, > I watched it as a teenager (because PBS didn't run it in the late > 60s, and I wouldn't have cared, even if they did), but didn't obsess > over it. Nor me, TBH. I did try watching it a few years ago when they did re-runs over here. Frankly, I don't know what I saw in it when I was younger. It was just weird. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)radnever immediately apparent" Black man got a lot of problems, but he don't mind throwing a brick White Riot - The Clash signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/06/08 10:06, Brad Rogers wrote: > On Sun, 06 Apr 2008 09:56:32 -0500 > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hello Ron, > >> /The Prisoner/, Patrick McGoohan. Google makes this kind of thing >> too easy. > > I didn't need Google; I watched it as a kid. Sheesh, I'm starting to > feel old again. :-( I watched it as a teenager (because PBS didn't run it in the late 60s, and I wouldn't have cared, even if they did), but didn't obsess over it. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA We want... a Shrubbery!! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH+OnIS9HxQb37XmcRAhTAAKDnc7Gaoc2kNQ3vgYXgEfYlMydHwQCcC74c XDDSEWHkhieCOYIao711sTY= =43Vt -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
