Re: How do I upgrade to sid?
On Mon, Feb 11, 2008 at 07:33:34PM +, Joe wrote: Jochen Schulz wrote: Dennis G. Wicks: IIRC somebody said they were running sid and had no problems with Iceweasel so I'm thinking that upgrading might be the answer to my problems. It may be the answer, but upgrading to sid will pose a whole lot of new questions. If you don't know how to upgrade, you probably aren't ready to deal with the kind of problems sid will bring. I'll second that. My Iceweasel isn't opening for links from Icedove, and I've just had to switch to cifs as the new kernel doesn't do smbfs and I've now got a gdm segfault and the dreaded CIFS-VFS shutdown hang, so I can't just click the box and walk away any more. I had to put libqt3-mt on hold due to #465028. Ktorrent wouldn't start anymore and I read other KDE apps are affected (ex. k3b). Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: How do I upgrade to sid?
Jochen Schulz wrote: Dennis G. Wicks: IIRC somebody said they were running sid and had no problems with Iceweasel so I'm thinking that upgrading might be the answer to my problems. It may be the answer, but upgrading to sid will pose a whole lot of new questions. If you don't know how to upgrade, you probably aren't ready to deal with the kind of problems sid will bring. I'll second that. My Iceweasel isn't opening for links from Icedove, and I've just had to switch to cifs as the new kernel doesn't do smbfs and I've now got a gdm segfault and the dreaded CIFS-VFS shutdown hang, so I can't just click the box and walk away any more. Sid is fairly civilised most of the time, but when it bites, you certainly know about it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
How do I upgrade to sid?
IIRC somebody said they were running sid and had no problems with Iceweasel so I'm thinking that upgrading might be the answer to my problems. How do I do it? Is it as easy as aptitude dist-upgrade ?? What do I have to change to get to sid instead of etch? TIA for any help! Dennis -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How do I upgrade to sid?
On 2/10/08, Dennis G. Wicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IIRC somebody said they were running sid and had no problems with Iceweasel so I'm thinking that upgrading might be the answer to my problems. I'm not aware of your problems, but I'm not sure if you left them unresolved on testing or stable, you'll get them resolved in unstable... How do I do it? Is it as easy as 1st you must edit your apt sources, so that you remove any reference to etch, and include references for sid or unstable. As sid is pretty dynamic by nature, using unstable instead of sid doesn't make a difference when the distribution changes from one version to the other, so I've always used unstable... Then the rest is kind of recipy for upgrading: -- aptitude clean -- aptitude update -- aptitude safe-upgrade -- aptitude full-upgrade You can replace the aptitude command by corresponding apt-get ones. You better have a satisfactory result from each step before moving to the next. However, do this only if you're able to spent considerable amount of time in case of substantial changes in configurations, dependencies, and other stuff. As I said, just plain change of version might NOT solve your problems at all, but I'm not able to judge that... aptitude dist-upgrade ?? I thought dist-upgrade was depredicated from aptitude, but it should be equivalente to full-upgrade. See above... What do I have to change to get to sid instead of etch? TIA for any help! Dennis -- Javier -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How do I upgrade to sid?
Dennis G. Wicks: IIRC somebody said they were running sid and had no problems with Iceweasel so I'm thinking that upgrading might be the answer to my problems. It may be the answer, but upgrading to sid will pose a whole lot of new questions. If you don't know how to upgrade, you probably aren't ready to deal with the kind of problems sid will bring. How do I do it? Is it as easy as aptitude dist-upgrade ?? No, you have to add sid to your sources.list. J. -- When I am doing sex I wonder if my emotions can be detected by alien civilisations. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: How do I upgrade to sid?
Hello, Javier Vasquez schrieb: Then the rest is kind of recipy for upgrading: -- aptitude clean -- aptitude update -- aptitude safe-upgrade -- aptitude full-upgrade If _I_ do this nearly the complete system would be erased when I _would_ answer Y in the end. Just my 2 cents ... bis dahin Martin Mewes -- ## Ich habe mich schon immer gefragt, was eine GUI auf einem Server zu suchen hat. MS hat es nun auch kapiert - Windows Server 2008 ## -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How do I upgrade to sid?
On 2/10/08, Martin Mewes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Javier Vasquez schrieb: Then the rest is kind of recipy for upgrading: -- aptitude clean -- aptitude update -- aptitude safe-upgrade -- aptitude full-upgrade If _I_ do this nearly the complete system would be erased when I _would_ answer Y in the end. Just my 2 cents ... bis dahin Martin Mewes Well, aptitude is pretty good at managing upgrades. But I agree, most of the software will be replaced by saying yes to the 1st safe-upgrade, however my experience is that if one is used to deal with dependency problems and the like, that should not be a reason to be scared. When safe-upgrade finds dependencies problems it won't upgrade, and it'll leave the upgrade to full-upgrade. I suggest as well, having several iterations of safe-upgrade if you're using an old aptitude, before the full-upgrade until there's nothing else the safe-upgrade can deal with... I haven't found the iterations necessary anymore, but I use the latest version under unstable, :). It might be useful to also remove (purge if necessary) big packages which dependencies are hard to deal with, and of course, it's better if everything is done under console (no X)... Beyond that, and some research, only experience will tell... My last suggestion (which I did NOT follow due to lack of time and disk space), make a separate partition, and try a n-boot (I can't say for sure dual for sure) system. Start the trial one with stable, then move to testing, and finally move to unstable with light environment (include X though, since along the way there are pertinent changes to be considered). At the end if everything goes OK, then whether remove the original partition after moving the date to the unstable one, or upgrade the original one with a bit more of experience, :). I said partition, but it might actually be a logical volume if you'd like... Again, before such a move, I'd look at what seems to be wrong in the current version, to see if it's due to just a particular package version. If so, I'd rather use backPorts, or install from upstream the source and compile it myself, well that if I'm confortable with the current version I work under, and the movement souds too risky. There are always different alternatives to solve a single problem, :). -- Javier -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How do I upgrade to sid?
Martin Mewes: Javier Vasquez schrieb: Then the rest is kind of recipy for upgrading: -- aptitude clean -- aptitude update -- aptitude safe-upgrade -- aptitude full-upgrade If _I_ do this nearly the complete system would be erased when I _would_ answer Y in the end. Just my 2 cents ... I guess the reason is that you have never really used aptitude. Aptitude distinguishes two different states of installed packages: automatically and manually installed. When beginning to use aptitude, it will in many cases assume all or most packages have been installed automatically (pulled in as a dependency of another package). And if no manually installed package depends on a package aptitude thinks has been automatically installed, it will remove it. That's one of aptitude's best features. On the other hand, this is the biggest hurdle when starting to use aptitude and yes, it's a real pain for users who never installed from scratch since sarge (or didn't bother to follow the release note's advice to use aptitude after installation). Anyway, everyone who thinks he is able to handle sid should be able to a) read what a package manager is about to do and b) find out by himself how to upgrade to sid. J. -- I spend money without thinking on products and clothes that I believe will enhance my social standing. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
