Re: How to arrange for booting to console
On Monday 19 September 2016 21:23:05 Jude DaShiell wrote: > On Mon, 19 Sep 2016, David Wright wrote: > > Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 15:48:35 > > From: David Wright > > Reply-To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > > Subject: Re: How to arrange for booting to console > > Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 19:48:54 + (UTC) > > Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org > > > > On Sat 17 Sep 2016 at 02:34:11 (-0400), Jude DaShiell wrote: > >> On Fri, 16 Sep 2016, David Wright wrote: > >>> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 09:38:31 > >>> From: David Wright > >>> Reply-To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > >>> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > >>> Subject: Re: How to arrange for booting to console > >>> Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 13:43:51 + (UTC) > >>> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org > >>> > >>> I missed this reply until Lisi bumped the thread. > >>> These are my opinions, based of the pathetically little I know. > >>> > >>> On Sun 11 Sep 2016 at 18:52:59 (-0400), Harry Putnam wrote: > >>>> The Wanderer writes: > >>>>> On 2016-09-11 at 17:04, Harry Putnam wrote: > >>>>>> How can I arrange to boot to console mode rather than X. With the > >>>>>> ability to startx when I feel like it. > >>>> > >>>> [...] > >>>> > >>>>> The way I usually do it is to uninstall gdm, kdm, xdm, et cetera; > >>>>> those are the packages which hook in to provide a graphical login > >>>>> prompt. With none of them present, what you get is the traditional > >>>>> text-mode login prompt, and your configured shell after login. > >>>> > >>>> [...] > >>>> > >>>> That sounds promissing. > >>> > >>> It ought to. It's the display managers that start X. If they're not > >>> there, you've to start it yourself with startx. > >>> > >>>> Used one of the methods below and quickly > >>>> realized I was expecting a nice big framebuffered text console with a > >>>> much higher resolution than the standard. > >>> > >>> But you got ... what? > >>> > >>> If you want to know whether you're looking at a nice big framebuffered > >>> text console, install fbset and type > >>> $ fbset > >>> If you see something like: > >>> > >>> mode "1280x800" > >>> geometry 1280 800 1280 800 32 > >>> timings 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 > >>> accel true > >>> rgba 8/16,8/8,8/0,0/0 > >>> endmode > >>> > >>> then you are. > >>> > >>> BTW What's the "standard" resolution of which you speak? > >>> > >>>> (Previously my OS of choice > >>>> was gentoo), But of course all that has to be setup as I recall it > >>>> is done with a few extra bits on the kernel line grub.conf > >>>> > >>>> Using grub2 I'm thoroughly lost what or where one would edit to allow > > > >? > > > >>>> a console frame buffer. > > > > [snipped my response which was not grub-related] > > > >> edit /etc/default/grub then run grub-mkconfig to apply your changes > >> like this: > >> grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg > > > > That's the "where"; what's the "what" ? > > > > Cheers, > > David. > > Almost forgot, after doing edit as root run update-grub as root and you > should be good to go. That still isn't the "what"!!! Lisi
Re: How to arrange for booting to console
On Mon, 19 Sep 2016, David Wright wrote: Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 15:48:35 From: David Wright Reply-To: debian-user@lists.debian.org To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: How to arrange for booting to console Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2016 19:48:54 + (UTC) Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org On Sat 17 Sep 2016 at 02:34:11 (-0400), Jude DaShiell wrote: On Fri, 16 Sep 2016, David Wright wrote: Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 09:38:31 From: David Wright Reply-To: debian-user@lists.debian.org To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: How to arrange for booting to console Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 13:43:51 + (UTC) Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org I missed this reply until Lisi bumped the thread. These are my opinions, based of the pathetically little I know. On Sun 11 Sep 2016 at 18:52:59 (-0400), Harry Putnam wrote: The Wanderer writes: On 2016-09-11 at 17:04, Harry Putnam wrote: How can I arrange to boot to console mode rather than X. With the ability to startx when I feel like it. [...] The way I usually do it is to uninstall gdm, kdm, xdm, et cetera; those are the packages which hook in to provide a graphical login prompt. With none of them present, what you get is the traditional text-mode login prompt, and your configured shell after login. [...] That sounds promissing. It ought to. It's the display managers that start X. If they're not there, you've to start it yourself with startx. Used one of the methods below and quickly realized I was expecting a nice big framebuffered text console with a much higher resolution than the standard. But you got ... what? If you want to know whether you're looking at a nice big framebuffered text console, install fbset and type $ fbset If you see something like: mode "1280x800" geometry 1280 800 1280 800 32 timings 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 accel true rgba 8/16,8/8,8/0,0/0 endmode then you are. BTW What's the "standard" resolution of which you speak? (Previously my OS of choice was gentoo), But of course all that has to be setup as I recall it is done with a few extra bits on the kernel line grub.conf Using grub2 I'm thoroughly lost what or where one would edit to allow ? a console frame buffer. [snipped my response which was not grub-related] edit /etc/default/grub then run grub-mkconfig to apply your changes like this: grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg That's the "where"; what's the "what" ? Cheers, David. Almost forgot, after doing edit as root run update-grub as root and you should be good to go. --
Re: How to arrange for booting to console
On Sat 17 Sep 2016 at 02:34:11 (-0400), Jude DaShiell wrote: > On Fri, 16 Sep 2016, David Wright wrote: > > >Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 09:38:31 > >From: David Wright > >Reply-To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > >To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > >Subject: Re: How to arrange for booting to console > >Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 13:43:51 + (UTC) > >Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org > > > >I missed this reply until Lisi bumped the thread. > >These are my opinions, based of the pathetically little I know. > > > >On Sun 11 Sep 2016 at 18:52:59 (-0400), Harry Putnam wrote: > >>The Wanderer writes: > >> > >>>On 2016-09-11 at 17:04, Harry Putnam wrote: > >>> > >>>>How can I arrange to boot to console mode rather than X. With the > >>>>ability to startx when I feel like it. > >>>> > >> > >>[...] > >> > >>>The way I usually do it is to uninstall gdm, kdm, xdm, et cetera; those > >>>are the packages which hook in to provide a graphical login prompt. With > >>>none of them present, what you get is the traditional text-mode login > >>>prompt, and your configured shell after login. > >>> > >> > >>[...] > >> > >>That sounds promissing. > > > >It ought to. It's the display managers that start X. If they're not > >there, you've to start it yourself with startx. > > > >>Used one of the methods below and quickly > >>realized I was expecting a nice big framebuffered text console with a > >>much higher resolution than the standard. > > > >But you got ... what? > > > >If you want to know whether you're looking at a nice big framebuffered > >text console, install fbset and type > >$ fbset > >If you see something like: > > > >mode "1280x800" > > geometry 1280 800 1280 800 32 > > timings 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 > > accel true > > rgba 8/16,8/8,8/0,0/0 > >endmode > > > >then you are. > > > >BTW What's the "standard" resolution of which you speak? > > > >>(Previously my OS of choice > >>was gentoo), But of course all that has to be setup as I recall it > >>is done with a few extra bits on the kernel line grub.conf > >> > >>Using grub2 I'm thoroughly lost what or where one would edit to allow ↑ > >>a console frame buffer. > > [snipped my response which was not grub-related] > > > edit /etc/default/grub then run grub-mkconfig to apply your changes > like this: > grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg That's the "where"; what's the "what" ? Cheers, David.
Re: How to arrange for booting to console
On Fri, 16 Sep 2016, David Wright wrote: Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 09:38:31 From: David Wright Reply-To: debian-user@lists.debian.org To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: How to arrange for booting to console Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 13:43:51 + (UTC) Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org I missed this reply until Lisi bumped the thread. These are my opinions, based of the pathetically little I know. On Sun 11 Sep 2016 at 18:52:59 (-0400), Harry Putnam wrote: The Wanderer writes: On 2016-09-11 at 17:04, Harry Putnam wrote: How can I arrange to boot to console mode rather than X. With the ability to startx when I feel like it. [...] The way I usually do it is to uninstall gdm, kdm, xdm, et cetera; those are the packages which hook in to provide a graphical login prompt. With none of them present, what you get is the traditional text-mode login prompt, and your configured shell after login. [...] That sounds promissing. It ought to. It's the display managers that start X. If they're not there, you've to start it yourself with startx. Used one of the methods below and quickly realized I was expecting a nice big framebuffered text console with a much higher resolution than the standard. But you got ... what? If you want to know whether you're looking at a nice big framebuffered text console, install fbset and type $ fbset If you see something like: mode "1280x800" geometry 1280 800 1280 800 32 timings 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 accel true rgba 8/16,8/8,8/0,0/0 endmode then you are. BTW What's the "standard" resolution of which you speak? (Previously my OS of choice was gentoo), But of course all that has to be setup as I recall it is done with a few extra bits on the kernel line grub.conf Using grub2 I'm thoroughly lost what or where one would edit to allow a console frame buffer. I've yet to install a Debian system where the kernel didn't boot into a console (VC1) running at anything other than the native/maximum resolution. Now, maybe I'm lucky. Maybe I've had good fortune with graphics devices, screens and everything else. But I would recommend investigating exactly what you've got on booting up before you start fiddling. Oh, and if you see your huge screen with a blurry 80x25 console on it, don't mistake font size for resolution. Use dpkg-reconfigure console-setup to set utf-8, Latin1, the font and its size. With a framebuffer you get more choice of size. Note: don't ever run dpkg-reconfigure console-setup if X is running, whether or not you're using it (eg by typing Ctl-Alt-Fn). It won't have the desired effect and it might have you troubleshooting problems of your own making. As for systemctl set-default, no idea, never used it wittingly. As for runlevels, well, as Lisi said, Debian doesn't use them in the way some distributions do, which can cause confusion. 1 is single-user, 2 is normal. Apologies if that simplicity has been abandoned in stretch since I last checked. Cheers, David. edit /etc/default/grub then run grub-mkconfig to apply your changes like this: grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg hth. --
Re: How to arrange for booting to console
I missed this reply until Lisi bumped the thread. These are my opinions, based of the pathetically little I know. On Sun 11 Sep 2016 at 18:52:59 (-0400), Harry Putnam wrote: > The Wanderer writes: > > > On 2016-09-11 at 17:04, Harry Putnam wrote: > > > >> How can I arrange to boot to console mode rather than X. With the > >> ability to startx when I feel like it. > >> > > [...] > > > The way I usually do it is to uninstall gdm, kdm, xdm, et cetera; those > > are the packages which hook in to provide a graphical login prompt. With > > none of them present, what you get is the traditional text-mode login > > prompt, and your configured shell after login. > > > > [...] > > That sounds promissing. It ought to. It's the display managers that start X. If they're not there, you've to start it yourself with startx. > Used one of the methods below and quickly > realized I was expecting a nice big framebuffered text console with a > much higher resolution than the standard. But you got ... what? If you want to know whether you're looking at a nice big framebuffered text console, install fbset and type $ fbset If you see something like: mode "1280x800" geometry 1280 800 1280 800 32 timings 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 accel true rgba 8/16,8/8,8/0,0/0 endmode then you are. BTW What's the "standard" resolution of which you speak? > (Previously my OS of choice > was gentoo), But of course all that has to be setup as I recall it > is done with a few extra bits on the kernel line grub.conf > > Using grub2 I'm thoroughly lost what or where one would edit to allow > a console frame buffer. I've yet to install a Debian system where the kernel didn't boot into a console (VC1) running at anything other than the native/maximum resolution. Now, maybe I'm lucky. Maybe I've had good fortune with graphics devices, screens and everything else. But I would recommend investigating exactly what you've got on booting up before you start fiddling. Oh, and if you see your huge screen with a blurry 80x25 console on it, don't mistake font size for resolution. Use dpkg-reconfigure console-setup to set utf-8, Latin1, the font and its size. With a framebuffer you get more choice of size. Note: don't ever run dpkg-reconfigure console-setup if X is running, whether or not you're using it (eg by typing Ctl-Alt-Fn). It won't have the desired effect and it might have you troubleshooting problems of your own making. As for systemctl set-default, no idea, never used it wittingly. As for runlevels, well, as Lisi said, Debian doesn't use them in the way some distributions do, which can cause confusion. 1 is single-user, 2 is normal. Apologies if that simplicity has been abandoned in stretch since I last checked. Cheers, David.
Re: How to arrange for booting to console
On Sunday 11 September 2016 22:54:23 david...@freevolt.org wrote: > If using systemd, these look relevant: > > How can I arrange to boot to console mode rather than X. > > > https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/TipsAndTricks/#changingth >edefaultboottarget > > # ln -sf /usr/lib/systemd/system/multi-user.target > /etc/systemd/system/default.target > > > With the ability to startx when I feel like it. > > > https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > > # systemctl isolate graphical.target Debian does not by default have an available multi-user CLI run level. Lisi
Re: How to arrange for booting to console
On Sun, 2016-09-11 at 19:03 -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > AFAIK, the GRUB2 menu is defined from /boot/grub/grub.cfg; the headers > of that file say that it's generated from templates in /etc/grub.d/ and > settings in /etc/default/grub. > > Based on a quick look in those locations, you probably want to adjust > one of the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX* settings in the latter file. I haven't > done much tweaking in that area myself, however (I only migrated to > GRUB2 within the last year, give or take), so I can't confirm that with > any certainty. That's how I tweak grub to change things like the boot timeout and kernel commandline. I.e. edit etc/default/grub and as that file says "run 'update-grub' afterwards". -- Tixy
Re: How to arrange for booting to console
On Sun, 11 Sep 2016, Harry Putnam wrote: That sounds promissing. Used one of the methods below and quickly realized I was expecting a nice big framebuffered text console with a much higher resolution than the standard. (Previously my OS of choice was gentoo), But of course all that has to be setup as I recall it is done with a few extra bits on the kernel line grub.conf Using grub2 I'm thoroughly lost what or where one would edit to allow a console frame buffer. Maybe OP will find this thread helpful: "Debian Jessie : regular console instead of a hi-res one!" https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2016/09/msg00127.html
Re: How to arrange for booting to console
On 2016-09-11 at 18:52, Harry Putnam wrote: > The Wanderer writes: > >> On 2016-09-11 at 17:04, Harry Putnam wrote: >> >>> How can I arrange to boot to console mode rather than X. With >>> the ability to startx when I feel like it. >> The way I usually do it is to uninstall gdm, kdm, xdm, et cetera; >> those are the packages which hook in to provide a graphical login >> prompt. With none of them present, what you get is the traditional >> text-mode login prompt, and your configured shell after login. > > That sounds promissing. Used one of the methods below and quickly > realized I was expecting a nice big framebuffered text console with > a much higher resolution than the standard. (Previously my OS of > choice was gentoo), But of course all that has to be setup as I > recall it is done with a few extra bits on the kernel line > grub.conf > > Using grub2 I'm thoroughly lost what or where one would edit to > allow a console frame buffer. AFAIK, the GRUB2 menu is defined from /boot/grub/grub.cfg; the headers of that file say that it's generated from templates in /etc/grub.d/ and settings in /etc/default/grub. Based on a quick look in those locations, you probably want to adjust one of the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX* settings in the latter file. I haven't done much tweaking in that area myself, however (I only migrated to GRUB2 within the last year, give or take), so I can't confirm that with any certainty. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: How to arrange for booting to console
The Wanderer writes: > On 2016-09-11 at 17:04, Harry Putnam wrote: > >> How can I arrange to boot to console mode rather than X. With the >> ability to startx when I feel like it. >> [...] > The way I usually do it is to uninstall gdm, kdm, xdm, et cetera; those > are the packages which hook in to provide a graphical login prompt. With > none of them present, what you get is the traditional text-mode login > prompt, and your configured shell after login. > [...] That sounds promissing. Used one of the methods below and quickly realized I was expecting a nice big framebuffered text console with a much higher resolution than the standard. (Previously my OS of choice was gentoo), But of course all that has to be setup as I recall it is done with a few extra bits on the kernel line grub.conf Using grub2 I'm thoroughly lost what or where one would edit to allow a console frame buffer. Michael Biebl wrote: > Assuming you use jessie (and systemd), > > systemctl set-default multi-user.target > > should do the trick. You can get the current default with > > systemctl get-default > > It's typically graphical.target. Thanks, I actually used your suggestion of systemctl set-default multi-user.target Worked just as suggested. I have the job running that was running out of memory.. so I'll see if leaving X out of things is enough to allow it to complete. See above for some sniveling about the default console. david...@freevolt.org writes: > If using systemd, these look relevant: > >> How can I arrange to boot to console mode rather than X. > > > https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/TipsAndTricks/#changingthedefaultboottarget > > # ln -sf /usr/lib/systemd/system/multi-user.target > /etc/systemd/system/default.target > >> With the ability to startx when I feel like it. > > https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > > # systemctl isolate graphical.target Thanks, your suggestion is a little more complete version of Davidson above again thanks.
Re: How to arrange for booting to console
If using systemd, these look relevant: How can I arrange to boot to console mode rather than X. https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/TipsAndTricks/#changingthedefaultboottarget # ln -sf /usr/lib/systemd/system/multi-user.target /etc/systemd/system/default.target With the ability to startx when I feel like it. https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/FrequentlyAskedQuestions # systemctl isolate graphical.target
Re: How to arrange for booting to console
Am 11.09.2016 um 23:04 schrieb Harry Putnam: > How can I arrange to boot to console mode rather than X. With the > ability to startx when I feel like it. > > I'm not familiar with grub2 and the debian vm I'm using on a solaris > host appears to be using grub2. > > Can anyone stear me to the files I'd need to edit? > Assuming you use jessie (and systemd), systemctl set-default multi-user.target should do the trick. You can get the current default with systemctl get-default It's typically graphical.target. -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: How to arrange for booting to console
On 2016-09-11 at 17:04, Harry Putnam wrote: > How can I arrange to boot to console mode rather than X. With the > ability to startx when I feel like it. > > I'm not familiar with grub2 and the debian vm I'm using on a solaris > host appears to be using grub2. > > Can anyone stear me to the files I'd need to edit? Unless you actually want to be able to get to the graphical login prompt, I don't believe you need to mess with GRUB, the bootloader, or the initrd at all. The way I usually do it is to uninstall gdm, kdm, xdm, et cetera; those are the packages which hook in to provide a graphical login prompt. With none of them present, what you get is the traditional text-mode login prompt, and your configured shell after login. From there, assuming other permissions are configured correctly (which I seem to recall may take some tweaking, under the systemd paradigm), 'startx' should work normally. It may or may not pick up your desired window manager; I believe the Debian Way to specify that is to select one as the preferred alternative for the 'x-window-manager' link group. If you do want to keep one or more of those packages present, or if you want to do this more explicitly / manually, you'll probably need to look at those packages and figure out what it is they do to hook themselves in as the login prompt. I haven't investigated exactly what they change in order to do that, so I can't directly help you there. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
How to arrange for booting to console
How can I arrange to boot to console mode rather than X. With the ability to startx when I feel like it. I'm not familiar with grub2 and the debian vm I'm using on a solaris host appears to be using grub2. Can anyone stear me to the files I'd need to edit?
