Re: LT WinModem and kernel headers
On Aug 12 2001, Guy Geens wrote: [1] /usr/src has even been deprecated AFAIK. What is the best current practice nowadays? Since I read a post by Linus on the lkml some time ago, I've been compiling my kernels under my own user tree, and not even bothering using /usr/src anyway. []s, Roger... -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogério Brito - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Re: [ Re: LT WinModem and kernel headers]
On Sun, Aug 12, 2001 at 02:04:24PM -0700, Paul Scott wrote: [1] /usr/src has even been deprecated AFAIK. Please post anything you know about this. The Filesystem Hierarechy Standard doesn't mention this. He simply means that you aren't [0] supposed to compile kernels there. /usr/src is under control of the packaging system, so if it were to blow away your source tree you shouldn't be surprised. OTOH dpkg has never yet messed with a /usr/src/kernel-source-N directory, so I don't think this is a major issue ... -- Nathan Norman - Staff Engineer | A good plan today is better Micromuse Ltd. | than a perfect plan tomorrow. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- Patton [0] According to the authorities ... I've read it but I'm too lazy to look it up at the moment. pgpnqWRgncwxg.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: LT WinModem and kernel headers
On Mon, Aug 13, 2001 at 01:26:05AM -0300, Rog?rio Brito wrote: On Aug 12 2001, Guy Geens wrote: [1] /usr/src has even been deprecated AFAIK. What is the best current practice nowadays? Since I read a post by Linus on the lkml some time ago, I've been compiling my kernels under my own user tree, and not even bothering using /usr/src anyway. I use /usr/local/src, but that's mostly because I can, and I'd rather clutter /usr/local/src than my home dir. -- Nathan Norman - Staff Engineer | A good plan today is better Micromuse Ltd. | than a perfect plan tomorrow. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- Patton pgpkv4t1j6tzr.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: LT WinModem and kernel headers
On Mon, 13 Aug 2001, Rogério Brito wrote: RB On Aug 12 2001, Guy Geens wrote: RB [1] /usr/src has even been deprecated AFAIK. RB RB What is the best current practice nowadays? RB RB Since I read a post by Linus on the lkml some time ago, I've RB been compiling my kernels under my own user tree, and not even RB bothering using /usr/src anyway. well i guess i'm old fashion, because i still preffer it over anything else .. it is just a habit i guess ;) Dingo. ).|.( '.'___'.' ' '(~)' ' -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-ooO-=(_)=-Ooo-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Petr [Dingo] Dvorak [EMAIL PROTECTED] Coder - Purple Dragon MUD pdragon.org port -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-[ 369D93 ]=-=- Debian version 2.2.19, up 29 min, 4 users, load average: 0.00 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Re: [ Re: LT WinModem and kernel headers]
Nathan E Norman wrote: On Sun, Aug 12, 2001 at 02:04:24PM -0700, Paul Scott wrote: [1] /usr/src has even been deprecated AFAIK. Please post anything you know about this. The Filesystem Hierarechy Standard doesn't mention this. He simply means that you aren't [0] supposed to compile kernels there. I understand compiling and the files involved but I don't yet know where all these files go during a kernel compilation. Doesn't apt-get install put kernel sources in subdirectories of /usr/src ? I guess this is what you mean with your next sentence? /usr/src is under control of the packaging system, so if it were to blow away your source tree you shouldn't be surprised. If I modify the sources and then reinstall them of course I would be in trouble? Thanks, Paul
Re: [ Re: LT WinModem and kernel headers]
On Mon, Aug 13, 2001 at 03:11:43AM -0700, Paul Scott wrote: Nathan E Norman wrote: On Sun, Aug 12, 2001 at 02:04:24PM -0700, Paul Scott wrote: [1] /usr/src has even been deprecated AFAIK. Please post anything you know about this. The Filesystem Hierarechy Standard doesn't mention this. He simply means that you aren't [0] supposed to compile kernels there. I understand compiling and the files involved but I don't yet know where all these files go during a kernel compilation. Doesn't apt-get install put kernel sources in subdirectories of /usr/src ? I guess this is what you mean with your next sentence? Not really. What happens when you install the debian kernel-source-blabla package is a bzipped tarball appears in /usr/src. Most people then unpack said tarball in /usr/src (creating a directory /usr/src/kernel-source-blabla), but there's no requirement that you unpack in /usr/src. In fact, there's no requirement that you use the debian packaged kernel source ... tarballs from kernel.org are just as valid. Again, where you unpack and build them is your choice. /usr/src is under control of the packaging system, so if it were to blow away your source tree you shouldn't be surprised. If I modify the sources and then reinstall them of course I would be in trouble? No ... think of it this way: /usr/local/src or /home will never be altered by dpkg. Anything you put there will remain there barring disaster or user error. OTOH, /usr/src _is_ a candidate for alteration by dpkg. Someone could devise a diabolical package which finds all the /usr/src/kernel-source-blabla directories and removes them. This has never happened, and I don't see any reason why it should, but why tempt fate? Don't put things in directories controlled by dpkg :) -- Nathan Norman - Staff Engineer | A good plan today is better Micromuse Ltd. | than a perfect plan tomorrow. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- Patton pgpyTur6x2AZW.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: LT WinModem and kernel headers
Paul == Paul Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Paul I'm still reading every fine manual I can but can you tell me Paul how I identify the kernel? Are you talking about executable or Paul source? I actually D/L'd the entired source last night but I'm Paul not sure if I installed it correctly. apt-get install left me Paul with a tar.bz2 and I 'm not sure I unpacked in the right folder. Normally, you should end up with a directory /usr/src/kernel-source-version. Debian doesn't really force you to use this directory[1], you can use the location you like. To build the ltmodem package, just specify --with-kernel-dir=place where you extracted the tarball Paul I was trying not to do that but I couldn't find header files Paul which seemed to be the exact same version as the kernel that I Paul had installed. I did my install from official CD's but I don't Paul remember every step. There are supposed to be fout flavors of Paul 2.2.19pre17: vanilla, compact, idepci and udma66. I only found Paul headers for compact and idepci. I'm not sure what the differences are between the header packages. Try using the vanilla one. [1] /usr/src has even been deprecated AFAIK. -- G. ``Iggy'' Geens - ICQ: #64109250 Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Work: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://users.pandora.be/guy.geens/ `I want quality, not quantity. But I want lots of it!'
[ Re: LT WinModem and kernel headers]
Guy Geens wrote: Paul == Paul Scott writes: Paul I was trying not to do that but I couldn't find header files Paul which seemed to be the exact same version as the kernel that I Paul had installed. I did my install from official CD's but I don't Paul remember every step. There are supposed to be fout flavors of Paul 2.2.19pre17: vanilla, compact, idepci and udma66. I only found Paul headers for compact and idepci. I'm not sure what the differences are between the header packages. Try using the vanilla one. Thanks for answering. My point is that I can only find the compact and idepci flavors and not the vanilla flavor which matches my kernel version even at ftp.debian.org. My next step is to figure where to put the --with-force=yes parameter. [1] /usr/src has even been deprecated AFAIK. Please post anything you know about this. The Filesystem Hierarechy Standard doesn't mention this. Thanks, Paul
Re: LT WinModem and kernel headers
Paul == Paul Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Paul I am trying to get my LT WinModem running under potato Paul 2.2.19pre17 #1 I have downloaded what seem to be the files I Paul need. Running the install script appropriate for Debian I get Paul this which I believe is the relevant part of the script output: Best way to make the package, is to use the --with-kernel-dir= option to tell it where the kernel is. (I usually compile my own kernels, so I had the full source tree installed. Never tried it with only the headers.) The latest version seems to have problems when you try to compile against a different kernel version than the one you're running. I had to reboot with the new kernel before the build succeeded. -- G. ``Iggy'' Geens - ICQ: #64109250 Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Work: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://users.pandora.be/guy.geens/ `I want quality, not quantity. But I want lots of it!'
Re: LT WinModem and kernel headers
Guy Geens wrote: Paul == Paul Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Paul I am trying to get my LT WinModem running under potato Paul 2.2.19pre17 #1 I have downloaded what seem to be the files I Paul need. Running the install script appropriate for Debian I get Paul this which I believe is the relevant part of the script output: Best way to make the package, is to use the --with-kernel-dir= option to tell it where the kernel is. (I usually compile my own kernels, so I had the full source tree installed. Never tried it with only the headers.) I'm still reading every fine manual I can but can you tell me how I identify the kernel? Are you talking about executable or source? I actually D/L'd the entired source last night but I'm not sure if I installed it correctly. apt-get install left me with a tar.bz2 and I 'm not sure I unpacked in the right folder. The latest version seems to have problems when you try to compile against a different kernel version than the one you're running. I was trying not to do that but I couldn't find header files which seemed to be the exact same version as the kernel that I had installed. I did my install from official CD's but I don't remember every step. There are supposed to be fout flavors of 2.2.19pre17: vanilla, compact, idepci and udma66. I only found headers for compact and idepci. I had to reboot with the new kernel before the build succeeded. Thanks, Paul
Re: LT WinModem and kernel headers
Paul Scott wrote: Paul Scott wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not going to tell you to RTFM because I hate when people say that. :) dpkg -l kernel-headers-2.2.19pre17 turned up nothing apt-get install kernel-headers-2.2.19pre17 seemed to work and left me with: kernel-headers-2.2.19pre17-compact kernel-headers-2.2.19pre17-idepci but not kernel-headers-2.2.19pre17 as determined by ls /usr/src build_deb from ltmodem-5.99b still couldn't find kernel headers Making directory /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.2.19pre17/include and linking it to kernel-headers-2.2.19pre17-idepci/include got me one step further. checking for make... yes checking for ld... yes Checking for kernel headers ... in /usr/src/linux: nope ... in /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.2.19pre17: Kernel headers found in /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.2.19pre17 ... in /usr/src/linux-2.2.19pre17: nope using /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.2.19pre17 Checking kernel header version kernel headers are version 2.2.19pre17-idepci Version of kernel sources (2.2.19pre17-idepci) does not match the version of the running kernel (2.2.19pre17) ERROR: Version mismatch Can anyone tell me why I have kernel-headers-2.2.19pre17-idepci and kernel-headers-2.2.19pre17-compact but not one without the suffixes on the official CD? I guess the suffixes are semi-obvious in meaning. I also haven't figured out yet how to really tell what is on the CD's directly. I will check out the ftp sites to see if what I want is there. TIA, Paul Scott
Re: LT WinModem and kernel headers
Paul, I realize that I'm getting in late on this thread, but if you go to this web page you should be able to find the LTModem driver in the .deb version that you want http://www.physcip.uni-stuttgart.de/heby/computer/ltmodem/ Don --- Paul Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I am an experienced programmer who still has a lot to learn/remember about *nix. I am trying to get my LT WinModem running under potato 2.2.19pre17 #1 I have downloaded what seem to be the files I need. Running the install script appropriate for Debian I get this which I believe is the relevant part of the script output: checking for make... yes checking for ld... yes Checking for kernel headers ... in /usr/src/linux: nope ... in /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.2.19pre17: nope ... in /usr/src/linux-2.2.19pre17: nope ERROR: No kernel headers found. If you have kernel headers installed but configure did not find them, please try --with-kernel=dir, otherwise please install the kernel headers from your distribution. make: Nothing to be done for `debian'. The configuration utility is absent! How can I tell what headers are missing? Duh! Should I go read the install script? How do I install them? I have been reading anything I can to get a basic understanding here. Any suggestions of what to read or what to do would be very welcome. TIA, Paul Scott -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/
Re: LT WinModem and kernel headers
Find out what kernel version you're running (man uname) and install kernel-source package for that vesrion. Symlink /usr/src/linux to wherever kernel source is installed. Disclaimer: I haven't used debian kernel packages since I don't remember when. I heartily recommend installing kernel-package and rolling your own kernels (d/load plain kernel sources, untar into /usr/src/linux,type 'cd /usr/src/linux make config make-kpkg kernel_image'). Dima -- E-mail dmaziuk at bmrb dot wisc dot edu (@work) or at crosswinds dot net (@home) http://www.bmrb.wisc.edu/descript/gpgkey.dmaziuk.ascii -- GnuPG 1.0.4 public key One distinguishing characteristic of BOFHen is attention deficit disorder. Put me in front of something boring and I can find a near-infinite number of really creative ways to bugger off. -- Antony De Boer in asr
Re: LT WinModem and kernel headers
It appears to me that when you are trying to make this driver, what it's complaining about is either that your kernel is not the same version as your kernel sources in usr/src, or that this source can't work with the version of either you have. Make sure you have the SAME version kernel as your kernel headers and try it again. -- Deven In a message dated 8/6/01 5:31:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Can anyone tell me why I have kernel-headers-2.2.19pre17-idepci and kernel-headers-2.2.19pre17-compact but not one without the suffixes on the official CD? I guess the suffixes are semi-obvious in meaning. I also haven't figured out yet how to really tell what is on the CD's directly. I will check out the ftp sites to see if what I want is there. TIA, Paul Scott
Re: LT WinModem and kernel headers
Deven, You hit the nail on the head there... If Paul would go to linmodems.org and look around there he would probably find a .deb for his version of kernel and then he wouldn't need the headers. Don --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It appears to me that when you are trying to make this driver, what it's complaining about is either that your kernel is not the same version as your kernel sources in usr/src, or that this source can't work with the version of either you have. Make sure you have the SAME version kernel as your kernel headers and try it again. -- Deven In a message dated 8/6/01 5:31:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Can anyone tell me why I have kernel-headers-2.2.19pre17-idepci and kernel-headers-2.2.19pre17-compact but not one without the suffixes on the official CD? I guess the suffixes are semi-obvious in meaning. I also haven't figured out yet how to really tell what is on the CD's directly. I will check out the ftp sites to see if what I want is there. TIA, Paul Scott -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/
Re: LT WinModem and kernel headers
D. Hoyem wrote: Paul, I realize that I'm getting in late on this thread, but if you go to this web page you should be able to find the LTModem driver in the .deb version that you want http://www.physcip.uni-stuttgart.de/heby/computer/ltmodem/ Thanks. That's where I got ltmodem-5.99b. I believe the problem is my lack of certain knowledge of my system. First I had no kernel headers installed. Now I was able to install the only two packages I have found so far which were close to the needed kernel-headers-2.2.9pre17 I tried a link to one of those but there was a version conflict. I need to rescan my install CD's or find out the meaning of the two kernel header packages that I found. My post at 3:39 MST - 10:39 UT is the latest development in this. Thanks again, Paul
Re: LT WinModem and kernel headers
D. Hoyem wrote: Deven, You hit the nail on the head there... If Paul would go to linmodems.org and look around there he would probably find a .deb for his version of kernel and then he wouldn't need the headers. Don --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It appears to me that when you are trying to make this driver, what it's complaining about is either that your kernel is not the same version as your kernel sources in usr/src, or that this source can't work with the version of either you have. Make sure you have the SAME version kernel as your kernel headers and try it again. -- Deven I think we are all very close. I have done my best at all places that linmodems.org leads to which is the path that lead me to ltmodem-5.99b. As much as I have decoded from the included scripts leads me to believe that the install will work if I can get the kernel headers installed on my machine that match my kernel. My kernel seems to be 2.2.19pre17 as reported by uname. The only files I have found so far - I used dpkg on my system and just went to ftp.debian.org are: kernel-headers-2.2.19pre17-compact and kernel-headers-2.2.19pre17-idepci. The install script thinks that it wants: kernel-headers-2.2.19pre17 This is determined by a very long configure script called from the install script. I have found the place in that configure script where the mismatch is declared but have not yet figured how that script determines that. I am offered an option to override the kernel header name but that parameter seems to need to be edited into the install script. It's either that or understanding what the kernel header names above mean. I have just D/L'd the documentation for my kernel from ftp.debian.org and will read that. I believe that documentation is already on my system but I am still learning where to find some things. Thanks, Paul
LT WinModem and kernel headers
Hi, I am an experienced programmer who still has a lot to learn/remember about *nix. I am trying to get my LT WinModem running under potato 2.2.19pre17 #1 I have downloaded what seem to be the files I need. Running the install script appropriate for Debian I get this which I believe is the relevant part of the script output: checking for make... yes checking for ld... yes Checking for kernel headers ... in /usr/src/linux: nope ... in /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.2.19pre17: nope ... in /usr/src/linux-2.2.19pre17: nope ERROR: No kernel headers found. If you have kernel headers installed but configure did not find them, please try --with-kernel=dir, otherwise please install the kernel headers from your distribution. make: Nothing to be done for `debian'. The configuration utility is absent! How can I tell what headers are missing? Duh! Should I go read the install script? How do I install them? I have been reading anything I can to get a basic understanding here. Any suggestions of what to read or what to do would be very welcome. TIA, Paul Scott
Re: LT WinModem and kernel headers
I'm not going to tell you to RTFM because I hate when people say that. :) I'd say, first off, install the linux kernel sources into /usr/src (it should make a /linux dir and dump all the stuff in there when you un-tar/gz it.) Then try running it. Note that if the driver won't work, try an older version-- that's what I did, and it started working only then. In a message dated 8/5/01 6:26:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How can I tell what headers are missing? Duh! Should I go read the install script? How do I install them? I have been reading anything I can to get a basic understanding here. Any suggestions of what to read or what to do would be very welcome. TIA, Paul Scott
Re: LT WinModem and kernel headers
On Sunday 05 August 2001 17:00, Paul Scott wrote: Brett Parker wrote: On Sun, Aug 05, 2001 at 03:34:44PM -0700, Paul Scott wrote: have you got the kernel-headers-2.2.19pre17 package installed? if not, that's what you are missing. How do I determine whether that package is installed? With dpkg or apt-get? Where should the headers be? Use 'dpkg -l package_name'. If you have the package installed, it will print out version info like this (my system, shiznit, has a 2.2.18 kernel): shiznit[3]% dpkg -l kernel-headers-2.2.18pre21 Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) ||/ Name VersionDescription +++-==-==-== ii kernel-headers 2.2.18pre21-1 Header files related to Linux kernel The last line shows that I have the 2.2.18pre21 package installed. If you query a package that is not installed it will say it's not found: shiznit[4]% dpkg -l kernel-headers-2.2.19pre17 No packages found matching kernel-headers-2.2.19pre17. (That means No INSTALLED packages found matching kernel-headers-2.2.19pre17.) afaik there's no /usr/bin/is_this_pkg_installed command - the above is closest. Clear? Aaron
Re: LT WinModem and kernel headers
On Sun, Aug 05, 2001 at 03:34:44PM -0700, Paul Scott wrote: Hi, I am an experienced programmer who still has a lot to learn/remember about *nix. I am trying to get my LT WinModem running under potato 2.2.19pre17 #1 I have downloaded what seem to be the files I need. Running the install script appropriate for Debian I get this which I believe is the relevant part of the script output: checking for make... yes checking for ld... yes Checking for kernel headers ... in /usr/src/linux: nope ... in /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.2.19pre17: nope ... in /usr/src/linux-2.2.19pre17: nope ERROR: No kernel headers found. If you have kernel headers installed but configure did not find them, please try --with-kernel=dir, otherwise please install the kernel headers from your distribution. make: Nothing to be done for `debian'. The configuration utility is absent! How can I tell what headers are missing? Duh! Should I go read the install script? How do I install them? I have been reading anything I can to get a basic understanding here. Any suggestions of what to read or what to do would be very welcome. TIA, Paul Scott have you got the kernel-headers-2.2.19pre17 package installed? if not, that's what you are missing. Thanks, Brett pgpex1o9ieAyG.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: LT WinModem and kernel headers
Brett Parker wrote: On Sun, Aug 05, 2001 at 03:34:44PM -0700, Paul Scott wrote: Hi, I am an experienced programmer who still has a lot to learn/remember about *nix. I am trying to get my LT WinModem running under potato 2.2.19pre17 #1 I have downloaded what seem to be the files I need. Running the install script appropriate for Debian I get this which I believe is the relevant part of the script output: checking for make... yes checking for ld... yes Checking for kernel headers ... in /usr/src/linux: nope ... in /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.2.19pre17: nope ... in /usr/src/linux-2.2.19pre17: nope ERROR: No kernel headers found. If you have kernel headers installed but configure did not find them, please try --with-kernel=dir, otherwise please install the kernel headers from your distribution. make: Nothing to be done for `debian'. The configuration utility is absent! How can I tell what headers are missing? Duh! Should I go read the install script? How do I install them? I have been reading anything I can to get a basic understanding here. Any suggestions of what to read or what to do would be very welcome. TIA, Paul Scott have you got the kernel-headers-2.2.19pre17 package installed? if not, that's what you are missing. From reading the build_deb script that I was using I see that I need to read the Makefile to understand the next level but in case that doesn't answer my question: How do I determine whether that package is installed? With dpkg or apt-get? Where should the headers be? Thanks, Paul
Re: LT WinModem and kernel headers
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not going to tell you to RTFM because I hate when people say that. :) I have been reading everything I can find most of which is at LDP or places linked to there. I've found many answers but not some of the structural answers I need. I'll admit being somewhat anxious to get connected through my Debian system so I don't have to keep switching OS's to get to information. I'd say, first off, install the linux kernel sources into /usr/src (it should make a /linux dir and dump all the stuff in there when you un-tar/gz it.) I did a basic install from Debian CD's and thought all those packages would have been installed. I now see that none of the sources seem to be there. I'll check all that out again now that I know more what I'm looking for. The closest I've to finding anything that describes the structure of Linux is Linux From Scratch which is pretty good. Is there an O'Reilly book or some part of the LDP that you would recommend? Then try running it. Note that if the driver won't work, try an older version-- that's what I did, and it started working only then. Thanks, Paul
Re: LT WinModem and kernel headers
Paul Scott wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not going to tell you to RTFM because I hate when people say that. :) I have been reading everything I can find most of which is at LDP or places linked to there. I've found many answers but not some of the structural answers I need. I'll admit being somewhat anxious to get connected through my Debian system so I don't have to keep switching OS's to get to information. I'd say, first off, install the linux kernel sources into /usr/src (it should make a /linux dir and dump all the stuff in there when you un-tar/gz it.) I did a basic install from Debian CD's and thought all those packages would have been installed. I now see that none of the sources seem to be there. I'll check all that out again now that I know more what I'm looking for. The closest I've to finding anything that describes the structure of Linux is Linux From Scratch which is pretty good. Is there an O'Reilly book or some part of the LDP that you would recommend? dpkg -l kernel-headers-2.2.19pre17 turned up nothing apt-get install kernel-headers-2.2.19pre17 seemed to work and left me with: kernel-headers-2.2.19pre17-compact kernel-headers-2.2.19pre17-idepci but not kernel-headers-2.2.19pre17 as determined by ls /usr/src build_deb from ltmodem-5.99b still couldn't find kernel headers TIA for either what to do or what to read. Thanks, Paul
