Re: Lenny - xvinfo: No Adaptors present.. No XVideo
On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 09:12:35AM EST, Camaleón wrote: [..] > Okay, just remember Squeeze uses a different set of driver (nouveau) than > lenny (nv), it is possible that you don't need to tewak anything there. Thanks, I'll remember this thread when I'm ready to switch to squeeze. cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110117213247.GA11185@pavo.local
Re: Lenny - xvinfo: No Adaptors present.. No XVideo
On Sun, 16 Jan 2011 16:24:17 -0500, Chris Jones wrote: > On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 06:58:54AM EST, Camaleón wrote: > Ten years I've been using X every day and apart from a few silly tricks > learned through experience.. I'm just about as ignorant as I was when I > started off. Read it as follows: you've had ten years of a troubleless X system so you should to be proud of that ;-) >> loading the GLX module using some part of the nvidia closed drivers... >> how is that possible? :-? > > Broken environment..? :-) Something was messed up, yep. >> Now look mine: >> >> *** >> (II) LoadModule: "glx" >> (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libglx.so (II) Module >> glx: vendor="X.Org Foundation" compiled for 1.4.2, module version = >> 1.0.0 ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 0.3 (==) AIGLX enabled >> (II) Loading extension GLX >> *** >> >> Here is loading the Xorg stock GLX extension. > > I _assumed_ I might be able to conjure up some trick or other to switch > between the nvidia and nv drivers.. maybe not quite on the fly.. but at > least without having to reboot.. as a result, you caught me right in the > middle of testing possible solutions and I had not removed the nvidia > packages. > > As Sven rightly observed, what I had failed to notice was that since I > had no GLX at all loaded in my Xserver.. OpenGL programs did not work > any more.. But as Sven also remarked, this is a separate problem. AFAICT, you can have both drivers installed (at least in lenny), "nv" and "nvidia" and then adjust your "xorg.conf" file accordingly. In all the machines I have the "nvidia" driver installed it lives in harmony with "xserver-xorg-video-nv" :-) >> *** >> (II) Primary Device is: PCI 01:00:0 >> (--) Assigning device section with no busID to primary device (--) >> Chipset Quadro FX 1500 found >> *** > > This log is lenny's.. and my card is unsupported by either ‘nv’ or > ‘nvidia’, so that would appear to be consistent. Well, your card is supported but not all features are available when using the "nv" driver, as it seems :-( >> I still don't see why are you so reluctant to "test" the closed source >> driver. Just to test, for seeing how it goes and if it solves nothing >> then at least you can decide the next step with confidence :-) > > Not at all. I tested it under squeeze where my card is supported and the > newer nvidia driver addresses the ‘black console’ issue. On the other > hand, I was experiencing extreme slowness in programs such as icesweasel > and a completely broken keyboard with stuff like the down arrow key > mapped to Mode_Switch (!) .. try to do a dpkg-reconfigure that brings up > ncurses screens with a broken down arrow. > > At that point, I decided that it made better sense to reinstall squeeze > at some point in the future and start again from scratch. The "black console" can be because in Squeeze KMS is enabled by default so, when using the nvidia driver, you have to ensure that KMS is off. > But since the card is working fine in ubuntu 10.10, I am not really > worried about getting this to work now. > > At this point, I am more concerned as to what completely borked my > out-of-the-box squeeze environment. Your card is very powerful and I'm sure you will get the best of it with the closed drivers, but I don't want to repeat like a loop myself by telling you the advantadges of using the nvidia driver :-) >> So you can test the closed driver in squeeze and see how it goes. If >> all is fine you can then install the latest driver available from >> nvidia site in lenny (it will require driver compilation). > > Thanks, but since within a few months I will have switched to squeeze > for my activities.. it's probably not worth it. After all, the only > thing (apart from DRI) that's not working in lenny, is that I have to > use the ‘x11’ video driver in mplayer.. and as a result, I cannot watch > the news full-screen. I can live with that. Okay, just remember Squeeze uses a different set of driver (nouveau) than lenny (nv), it is possible that you don't need to tewak anything there. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.01.17.14.12...@gmail.com
Re: Lenny - xvinfo: No Adaptors present.. No XVideo
On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 07:26:08AM EST, Sven Joachim wrote: > On 2011-01-15 12:58 +0100, Camaleón wrote: [..] > > It seems loading the GLX module using some part of the nvidia closed > > drivers... how is that possible? :-? > > Because the nvidia-glx package is installed, even though Chris does > not use it. This is bad because no program that uses OpenGL will be > able to run, but not directly related to the problem. Good catch.. > > And there is something more in your log it caught my attention: > > > > *** > > (II) Primary Device is: PCI 01:00:0 > > (--) Assigning device section with no busID to primary device > > (--) Chipset Unknown NVIDIA chip found > > Yeah, the nv driver is too old and does not really know the card. > Should not be much of a problem, though. Just the XVideo stuff, where I'm concerned. > > I still don't see why are you so reluctant to "test" the closed > > source driver. Just to test, for seeing how it goes and if it solves > > nothing then at least you can decide the next step with confidence > > :-) > I wonder why Chris bought a laptop with such a powerful card in the > first place if he has no use for it. Intel graphics would have been > cheaper and also cause much less headaches. Incompetence..? :-) I needed a new laptop urgently because my 11-year old machine's display was on its way out, and when I saw a high-end machine from a year ago at 25% of the original price at the lenovo outlet.. with specs that should prove suitable for hopefully many years to come, I verified other folks had gotten it to work with GNU/linux. Since the laptop was not built to order, I was not in a position to make any changes to the configuration. I wasn't going to look a gift horse in the mouth. And who knows, contrary to the color calibrator, fingerprint reader, and other options that I have little use for.. I might find some uses to make up for the dollars this card is going to add to my electricity bill. cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110116214031.GB4196@pavo.local
Re: Lenny - xvinfo: No Adaptors present.. No XVideo
On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 06:58:54AM EST, Camaleón wrote: > On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 21:03:19 -0500, Chris Jones wrote: > > > On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 12:37:11PM EST, Camaleón wrote: > > > > [..] > Some comments on the log... > > *** > (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libglx.so > (II) Module glx: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation" > compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0 > Module class: X.Org Server Extension > (II) NVIDIA GLX Module 173.14.09 Thu Jun 5 00:07:40 PDT 2008 > (II) Loading extension GLX > ** > > It seems Ten years I've been using X every day and apart from a few silly tricks learned through experience.. I'm just about as ignorant as I was when I started off. > loading the GLX module using some part of the nvidia closed > drivers... how is that possible? :-? Broken environment..? :-) > Now look mine: > > *** > (II) LoadModule: "glx" > (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libglx.so > (II) Module glx: vendor="X.Org Foundation" > compiled for 1.4.2, module version = 1.0.0 > ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 0.3 > (==) AIGLX enabled > (II) Loading extension GLX > *** > > Here is loading the Xorg stock GLX extension. I _assumed_ I might be able to conjure up some trick or other to switch between the nvidia and nv drivers.. maybe not quite on the fly.. but at least without having to reboot.. as a result, you caught me right in the middle of testing possible solutions and I had not removed the nvidia packages. As Sven rightly observed, what I had failed to notice was that since I had no GLX at all loaded in my Xserver.. OpenGL programs did not work any more.. But as Sven also remarked, this is a separate problem. > ... > > And there is something more in your log it caught my attention: > > *** > (II) Primary Device is: PCI 01:00:0 > (--) Assigning device section with no busID to primary device > (--) Chipset Unknown NVIDIA chip found > *** > > And now compare to mine: > > *** > (II) Primary Device is: PCI 01:00:0 > (--) Assigning device section with no busID to primary device > (--) Chipset Quadro FX 1500 found > *** This log is lenny's.. and my card is unsupported by either ‘nv’ or ‘nvidia’, so that would appear to be consistent. > I still don't see why are you so reluctant to "test" the closed source > driver. Just to test, for seeing how it goes and if it solves nothing > then at least you can decide the next step with confidence :-) Not at all. I tested it under squeeze where my card is supported and the newer nvidia driver addresses the ‘black console’ issue. On the other hand, I was experiencing extreme slowness in programs such as icesweasel and a completely broken keyboard with stuff like the down arrow key mapped to Mode_Switch (!) .. try to do a dpkg-reconfigure that brings up ncurses screens with a broken down arrow. At that point, I decided that it made better sense to reinstall squeeze at some point in the future and start again from scratch. But since the card is working fine in ubuntu 10.10, I am not really worried about getting this to work now. At this point, I am more concerned as to what completely borked my out-of-the-box squeeze environment. > You said your card was "unsupported" and you maybe right. > > - Lenny ships "nvidia-glx" 173.14.09 and your card is not listed: > > http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/173.14.09/README/appendix-a.html > > - But Squeeze ships "nvidia-glx" 195.36.31 and your card appears > there: > > http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/195.36.31/README/supportedchips.html > So you can test the closed driver in squeeze and see how it goes. If > all is fine you can then install the latest driver available from > nvidia site in lenny (it will require driver compilation). Thanks, but since within a few months I will have switched to squeeze for my activities.. it's probably not worth it. After all, the only thing (apart from DRI) that's not working in lenny, is that I have to use the ‘x11’ video driver in mplayer.. and as a result, I cannot watch the news full-screen. I can live with that. cj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110116212417.GA4196@pavo.local
Re: Lenny - xvinfo: No Adaptors present.. No XVideo
On 2011-01-15 12:58 +0100, Camaleón wrote: > On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 21:03:19 -0500, Chris Jones wrote: > >> On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 12:37:11PM EST, Camaleón wrote: >> >> [..] >> >>> Maybe it's time for you attach/upload the whole "/var/log/Xorg.0.log" >>> file :-) >> >> Hey.. why not.. >> >> http://pastebin.com/38DZcW7D > > Thanks :-) > > Some comments on the log... > > *** > (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libglx.so > (II) Module glx: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation" > compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0 > Module class: X.Org Server Extension > (II) NVIDIA GLX Module 173.14.09 Thu Jun 5 00:07:40 PDT 2008 > (II) Loading extension GLX > ** > > It seems loading the GLX module using some part of the nvidia closed > drivers... how is that possible? :-? Because the nvidia-glx package is installed, even though Chris does not use it. This is bad because no program that uses OpenGL will be able to run, but not directly related to the problem. > And there is something more in your log it caught my attention: > > *** > (II) Primary Device is: PCI 01:00:0 > (--) Assigning device section with no busID to primary device > (--) Chipset Unknown NVIDIA chip found Yeah, the nv driver is too old and does not really know the card. Should not be much of a problem, though. > I still don't see why are you so reluctant to "test" the closed source > driver. Just to test, for seeing how it goes and if it solves nothing > then at least you can decide the next step with confidence :-) I wonder why Chris bought a laptop with such a powerful card in the first place if he has no use for it. Intel graphics would have been cheaper and also cause much less headaches. Sven -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87r5cemjz3@turtle.gmx.de
Re: Lenny - xvinfo: No Adaptors present.. No XVideo
On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 21:03:19 -0500, Chris Jones wrote: > On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 12:37:11PM EST, Camaleón wrote: > > [..] > >> Maybe it's time for you attach/upload the whole "/var/log/Xorg.0.log" >> file :-) > > Hey.. why not.. > > http://pastebin.com/38DZcW7D Thanks :-) Some comments on the log... *** (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libglx.so (II) Module glx: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation" compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0 Module class: X.Org Server Extension (II) NVIDIA GLX Module 173.14.09 Thu Jun 5 00:07:40 PDT 2008 (II) Loading extension GLX ** It seems loading the GLX module using some part of the nvidia closed drivers... how is that possible? :-? Now look mine: *** (II) LoadModule: "glx" (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libglx.so (II) Module glx: vendor="X.Org Foundation" compiled for 1.4.2, module version = 1.0.0 ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 0.3 (==) AIGLX enabled (II) Loading extension GLX *** Here is loading the Xorg stock GLX extension. ... And there is something more in your log it caught my attention: *** (II) Primary Device is: PCI 01:00:0 (--) Assigning device section with no busID to primary device (--) Chipset Unknown NVIDIA chip found *** And now compare to mine: *** (II) Primary Device is: PCI 01:00:0 (--) Assigning device section with no busID to primary device (--) Chipset Quadro FX 1500 found *** I still don't see why are you so reluctant to "test" the closed source driver. Just to test, for seeing how it goes and if it solves nothing then at least you can decide the next step with confidence :-) You said your card was "unsupported" and you maybe right. - Lenny ships "nvidia-glx" 173.14.09 and your card is not listed: http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/173.14.09/README/appendix-a.html - But Squeeze ships "nvidia-glx" 195.36.31 and your card appears there: http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/195.36.31/README/supportedchips.html So you can test the closed driver in squeeze and see how it goes. If all is fine you can then install the latest driver available from nvidia site in lenny (it will require driver compilation). Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.01.15.11.58...@gmail.com
Re: Lenny - xvinfo: No Adaptors present.. No XVideo
On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 12:37:11PM EST, Camaleón wrote: [..] > Maybe it's time for you attach/upload the whole "/var/log/Xorg.0.log" > file :-) Hey.. why not.. http://pastebin.com/38DZcW7D Enjoy¹..! cj ¹ this is the log on ‘lenny’ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110115020319.GB4242@pavo.local
