Re: Lighter window managers
Jamin W.Collins wrote: On Mon, 21 Oct 2002 15:26:57 -0400 jeff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/ and a nice screenshot of my current desktop: http://home.earthlink.net/~jmr71769/screenshot.jpg this is a complete minimalist one liner: apt-get install fluxbox xterm mozilla xmms xchat gaim xserver-xfree86 gpm xbase-clients xfonts-100dpi xfonts-base xscreesaver linuxlogo xpenguins You can't be serious, listing both xterm and mozilla and claiming it's minimalist? First, rxvt is _much_ lighter than xterm (about half to two-thirds the size). Second, using mozilla in your apt-get will pull in mozilla-browser, mozilla-mailnews, and mozilla-psm. Phoenix (even at v0.3) is a much better choice, but if you're looking for a solution that uses only Debian pacakges, try Galeon or Skipstone. Third, drop the amusements linuxlogo and xpenguins. ok... what i meant to say is irssi, mpg321, lynx (installed), micq, and cmatrix (no amusements = BO-RING!). no X. is that better? :-) i was speaking in terms of the number of programs - 1 of each is all ya need - not necessarily their size. silly people. :-D -jeff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lighter window managers
-- B. Yuksel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote (on Monday, 21 October 2002, 11:26 PM -0400): On Mon, 21 Oct 2002, Lance Simmons wrote: On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 10:04:42PM -0400, Kevin Coyner wrote: I gave ratpoision and ion a try last week, and really liked them both, but found that when running a program like Gimp, that each window that Gimp brings up for toolbox, etc becomes unnecessarily large (as in full screen). Is there anyway to control that? Not that I know of. Some programs, like Gimp, make heavy use of the desktop metaphor. They're hard to use in ion or ratpoison (or at least I haven't figured out how to do it easily). What I do instead is start my X session with selectwm, using ratpoison as the default. If I need to use a wm that keeps the desktop metaphor, I can quickly exit ratpoison and switch to another wm without losing any of my windows. Once I'm done with that program, I exit the desktop wm, and go back to ratpoison. One way to get around this problem is to use 'screen' with a desktop wm. Keep all terminals and such in only one desktop wm window with 'screen', and open another window for GIMP. Voila! you have a desktop wm, can use GIMP and also have all the good deeds of ratpoison (ratpoison was actually made to look like 'screen') I do exactly this -- I have screen running fullscreen on its own workspace in blackbox, and then use keybindings to switch to another workspace to use GUI apps (Phoenix browser, GIMP, and a few others). -- Matthew Weier O'Phinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Tue, 2002-10-22 at 11:20, Jamin W.Collins wrote: On 21 Oct 2002 21:44:26 -0400 Mark L. Kahnt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Galeon requires the bulk of the mozilla packaging: mozilla-browser, because the pertinent parts (ie. Gecko) are not packaged separately as yet. Galeon is hence anything but minimalist, True. However, I challenge you to find a browser that is as (or more) compliant/supported within the Debian package list that uses less system resources to run. I'm not aware of one in the Debian package list. Galeon does use less resources than Mozilla. Granted, you take up more drive space, but if I have to choose between using a smaller portion of CPU and Memory or more space on my HD, I choose the former. Personally, I use Dillo and Phoenix. While Dillo is nice, fast and small it's still far behind on support for many items. To be honest, I don't presume that software implementing anything broadly featured and varied in function as a browser to be as sleek and small in footprint as the CP/M kernel (4 KiB, iirc, although that only included five built-in user commands.) Comparing Phoenix and Galeon, both of which are carrying extra Mozilla code they aren't using, I find Phoenix *on my system* to be far more stable, honestly, but my experience is that Galeon has a way of repeatedly falling out of sync with Mozilla on my system, meaning it isn't available. Galeon also tends to open on my system *most of the time* observing that it hadn't exited the previous session properly - and that is true - the vast majority of times I've used Galeon, it eventually has crashed (as in under half an hour of moderate use.) Maybe that influences why I don't particularly like it, but I've also never seen the reported improvement in resource footprint relative to other browsers, particularly Konqueror if you already are using KDE - it just *seems* to me to be a different wrapper on the underlying browser. I would just not assert that it is minimalist, having used Mosaic and, back in my OS/2 era, IBM WebExplorer. Anyhow, mozilla-browser *is* a Debian package, unless it was just yanked from the pools. Never claimed it wasn't. If you'll note, I did indicate that the mozilla package pulled in mozilla-browser and others. -- Jamin W. Collins -- Mark L. Kahnt, FLMI/M, ALHC, HIA, AIAA, ACS, MHP ML Kahnt New Markets Consulting Tel: (613) 531-8684 / (613) 539-0935 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Lighter window managers
On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 07:36:44PM -0700, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote: Personally I prefer the two distinct monitors over xinerama though. I knew we'd bring you to sanity sooner or later. :) -- Marc Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lighter window managers
Hello Jamin, On Oct 21, Jamin W.Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | this is a complete minimalist one liner: | | apt-get install fluxbox xterm mozilla xmms xchat gaim xserver-xfree86 | gpm xbase-clients xfonts-100dpi xfonts-base xscreesaver linuxlogo | xpenguins | | You can't be serious, listing both xterm and mozilla and claiming it's | minimalist? First, rxvt is _much_ lighter than xterm (about half to | two-thirds the size). Second, using mozilla in your apt-get will pull | in mozilla-browser, mozilla-mailnews, and mozilla-psm. Phoenix (even at | v0.3) is a much better choice, but if you're looking for a solution that | uses only Debian pacakges, try Galeon or Skipstone. Third, drop the | amusements linuxlogo and xpenguins. Not to mention dropping xscreensaver. -- Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wonka.hampshire.edu/~jason GPG key - 0EFB1DFE Anthony's Law of the Workshop: Any tool when dropped, will roll into the least accessible corner of the workshop. Corollary: On the way to the corner, any dropped tool will first strike your toes. msg08158/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Lighter window managers
Russell wrote: Hi all, I've been using fvwm2, and it has tons of configuration options, which i find hard to master. What are some good window managers that are even more light weight, have less options (simpler to configure), and work well? I'm into functionality more than flashness. A large desktop that uses the screen as a window onto it would be useful. A pop-up menu to select applications, and icons for applications would be useful, but i don't mind editing the config file for this capability. Is anything extra needed to run a gnome or kde application? http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/ and a nice screenshot of my current desktop: http://home.earthlink.net/~jmr71769/screenshot.jpg this is a complete minimalist one liner: apt-get install fluxbox xterm mozilla xmms xchat gaim xserver-xfree86 gpm xbase-clients xfonts-100dpi xfonts-base xscreesaver linuxlogo xpenguins and you're good to go :-) good luck! -jeff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lighter window managers
On Mon, 21 Oct 2002 15:26:57 -0400 jeff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/ and a nice screenshot of my current desktop: http://home.earthlink.net/~jmr71769/screenshot.jpg this is a complete minimalist one liner: apt-get install fluxbox xterm mozilla xmms xchat gaim xserver-xfree86 gpm xbase-clients xfonts-100dpi xfonts-base xscreesaver linuxlogo xpenguins You can't be serious, listing both xterm and mozilla and claiming it's minimalist? First, rxvt is _much_ lighter than xterm (about half to two-thirds the size). Second, using mozilla in your apt-get will pull in mozilla-browser, mozilla-mailnews, and mozilla-psm. Phoenix (even at v0.3) is a much better choice, but if you're looking for a solution that uses only Debian pacakges, try Galeon or Skipstone. Third, drop the amusements linuxlogo and xpenguins. -- Jamin W. Collins -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lighter window managers
If you are looking for something tight, try BlackBox or if you are a complete minimalist, ratpoison should be just for you. - From: Shyamal Prasad [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Lighter window managers rjshaw == rjshaw Russell writes: rjshaw Hi all, I've been using fvwm2, and it has tons of rjshaw configuration options, which i find hard to master. rjshaw What are some good window managers that are even more rjshaw light weight, have less options (simpler to configure), rjshaw and work well? I can recommend xfce which I switched to recently to get out of GNOME/KDE hell. sawfish is also pretty good, but I'm Lisp partial, and sawfish got me started on GNOME, so maybe that is a point against it. ;-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lighter window managers
I *could* see xfce being a viable option, except that when I ran it, it just didn't look, well, all that good. The icons looked like they were drawn by someone that *had to put something there* to identify the buttons, and there was a lot of *reinventing the wheel* with applications that were essentially the same as existing generic X applications. My understanding is that CDE, on which I had been told it was based, has been effectively sidelined in favour of KDE and Gnome. My *(very) personal* opinion is that if you want to run an entire separate reimplementation of basic software with no identifiable enhancements, install OpenWindows, which is very fast and surprisingly capable. Give fluxbox a try. Highly customizable, fast, and cuts out all the non-necessary fluff. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lighter window managers
On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 12:42:15PM -0400, Chip Rose wrote: On Monday 21 October 2002 12:23 pm, Matthew Daubenspeck wrote: Use xscreensaver, it has a lock feature. - Ok - I remember using it several years ago, but it would lock up my *entire* computer. I also had this problem with any screensaver, as well as when I logged out completely and let my screen sit at the kdm login gui. Maybe it was just a Redhat/Mandrake thing (no barb intended!) - I'll give it another go now that I'm using Debian, which had more stable apps. Thanks! Run `xscreensaver -nosplash' in your ~/.xsession, then run `xscreensaver-command -lock' (IIRC) to lock the screen. I have `xscreensaver-command -lock' bound to the otherwise unused break key on my keyboard. When I get up for a minute, I just hit the break key and my machine is safely locked. -rob msg08207/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Lighter window managers
On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 01:42:29AM -0500, Lance Simmons wrote.. On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 07:45:59AM +0200, Magnus Therning wrote: For the true minimalist, try ratpoison... I can't use it, but it is about as light weight as you'll get, I think. Thumbs up for ratpoison. There's no way to interact with it using your mouse, so you have no choice but to learn the keyboard commands. It doesn't take long to get used to it, and then you navigate as fast as you can type. I switched from ion this past week, and don't see myself ever going back. Add keylaunch, and you can do everything you do with any of the other, mouse-friendly wm's, except you do it one keystroke at a time. I gave ratpoision and ion a try last week, and really liked them both, but found that when running a program like Gimp, that each window that Gimp brings up for toolbox, etc becomes unnecessarily large (as in full screen). Is there anyway to control that? Kevin -- Kevin Coyner mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] GnuPG key: 1024D/8CE11941 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lighter window managers
Chip Rose sez: } As much as I like Blackbox, I still miss KDE because of the ability to lock } the screen by clicking the padlock button at lower right. I never leave my } terminal for a moment without locking it - it's easier than logging } completely out - I use the lockout feature constantly, and haven't seen it in } lighter window managers. Um, all you need is a way to run a program, such as a window manager that can run programs with a keystroke or mouseclick (which means nearly all of them), or even a terminal. Set something up to run xlock or xlockmore (RTF man page if necessary). Enjoy. --Greg -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lighter window managers
On Monday 21 October 2002 12:23 pm, Matthew Daubenspeck wrote: On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 12:30:32PM -0400, Chip Rose wrote: As much as I like Blackbox, I still miss KDE because of the ability to lock the screen by clicking the padlock button at lower right. I never leave my terminal for a moment without locking it - it's easier than logging completely out - I use the lockout feature constantly, and haven't seen it in lighter window managers. Use xscreensaver, it has a lock feature. - Ok - I remember using it several years ago, but it would lock up my *entire* computer. I also had this problem with any screensaver, as well as when I logged out completely and let my screen sit at the kdm login gui. Maybe it was just a Redhat/Mandrake thing (no barb intended!) - I'll give it another go now that I'm using Debian, which had more stable apps. Thanks! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lighter window managers
On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 12:30:32PM -0400, Chip Rose wrote: As much as I like Blackbox, I still miss KDE because of the ability to lock the screen by clicking the padlock button at lower right. I never leave my terminal for a moment without locking it - it's easier than logging completely out - I use the lockout feature constantly, and haven't seen it in lighter window managers. Use xscreensaver, it has a lock feature. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Chip Rose wrote: As much as I like Blackbox, I still miss KDE because of the ability to lock the screen by clicking the padlock button at lower right. I never leave my terminal for a moment without locking it - it's easier than logging completely out - I use the lockout feature constantly, and haven't seen it in lighter window managers. There are many packages that provide locking: http://packages.debian.org/stable/x11/xlockmore.html http://packages.debian.org/stable/x11/xtrlock.html Probably more around... Bijan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lighter window managers
On Mon, 2002-10-21 at 21:26, B. Yuksel wrote: One way to get around this problem is to use 'screen' with a desktop wm. Keep all terminals and such in only one desktop wm window with 'screen', and open another window for GIMP. Voila! you have a desktop wm, can use GIMP and also have all the good deeds of ratpoison (ratpoison was actually made to look like 'screen') I assume you're talking about Xnest, or possibly VNC? -- Jeremy Nickurak [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Lighter window managers
As much as I like Blackbox, I still miss KDE because of the ability to lock the screen by clicking the padlock button at lower right. I never leave my terminal for a moment without locking it - it's easier than logging completely out - I use the lockout feature constantly, and haven't seen it in lighter window managers. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lighter window managers
On Mon, 2002-10-21 at 09:23, Shyamal Prasad wrote: rjshaw == rjshaw Russell writes: rjshaw Hi all, I've been using fvwm2, and it has tons of rjshaw configuration options, which i find hard to master. rjshaw What are some good window managers that are even more rjshaw light weight, have less options (simpler to configure), rjshaw and work well? I can recommend xfce which I switched to recently to get out of GNOME/KDE hell. sawfish is also pretty good, but I'm Lisp partial, and sawfish got me started on GNOME, so maybe that is a point against it. ;-) xfce has a GNOME compatibility mode that might be useful to some. I *could* see xfce being a viable option, except that when I ran it, it just didn't look, well, all that good. The icons looked like they were drawn by someone that *had to put something there* to identify the buttons, and there was a lot of *reinventing the wheel* with applications that were essentially the same as existing generic X applications. My understanding is that CDE, on which I had been told it was based, has been effectively sidelined in favour of KDE and Gnome. My *(very) personal* opinion is that if you want to run an entire separate reimplementation of basic software with no identifiable enhancements, install OpenWindows, which is very fast and surprisingly capable. -- Mark L. Kahnt, FLMI/M, ALHC, HIA, AIAA, ACS, MHP ML Kahnt New Markets Consulting Tel: (613) 531-8684 / (613) 539-0935 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Lighter window managers
Hi all, I've been using fvwm2, and it has tons of configuration options, which i find hard to master. What are some good window managers that are even more light weight, have less options (simpler to configure), and work well? I'm into functionality more than flashness. A large desktop that uses the screen as a window onto it would be useful. A pop-up menu to select applications, and icons for applications would be useful, but i don't mind editing the config file for this capability. Is anything extra needed to run a gnome or kde application? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
