Re: Lightweight Alternative to Mozilla-Firebird
On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 10:04:46 -0500 "S.D.A." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yeah really?! You can read/write an e-mail while Sylpheed is pulling > down mesages? Cool -- not being able to b4 is the primary reason I > left it, for Mozilla. > > I liked it's ability to reply with higlighted material quoted. > That's something Mozilla/Thunderbird haven't implemented yet. > > -- Yep you can now. In fact it's downloading mail right now as I type. I also like that feature actually, it's very handy at keeping your mind on what your responding to! Pete -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lightweight Alternative to Mozilla-Firebird
On Sun, Feb 29, 2004 at 09:30:12AM +1000 or thereabouts, Peter A. Cole wrote: > On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 12:57:01 -0500 > "S.D.A." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > No it doesn't thread the processes. In other words one can't do anything > > while one is downloading e-mail. The application is locked, until that > > I/O finishes. > > Ahh ok, in that case this situation has been resolved. I can receive email while > viewing messages, replying, etc. with no dramas at all, unless you manually hit the > "Get" or "Get All" buttons. If you let it retrieve mail in the background, there's > no interference that I can see. Yeah really?! You can read/write an e-mail while Sylpheed is pulling down mesages? Cool -- not being able to b4 is the primary reason I left it, for Mozilla. I liked it's ability to reply with higlighted material quoted. That's something Mozilla/Thunderbird haven't implemented yet. -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lightweight Alternative to Mozilla-Firebird
On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 12:57:01 -0500 "S.D.A." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > No it doesn't thread the processes. In other words one can't do anything > while one is downloading e-mail. The application is locked, until that > I/O finishes. Ahh ok, in that case this situation has been resolved. I can receive email while viewing messages, replying, etc. with no dramas at all, unless you manually hit the "Get" or "Get All" buttons. If you let it retrieve mail in the background, there's no interference that I can see. > > Give it a month or two to evaluate properly. One (in my view) can't > properly evaluate any application in a shorter period, unless some basic > feature is missing, than perhaps one can. > Yes, most definitely. As you say, the only way you can reject an application immediately is if it is missing a core feature you use every time. If it's something you don't do often, then you don't notice until you get that far. I have found one very niggly little "issue" so to speak. When migrating from Outlook Express, I exported my address book as a CSV file, however Sylpheed only imports LDIF formats. In my case, I only have 14 addresses anyway, so I'll just manually enter them, but for people with large address books this could be a problem. I've seen via a Google search that there are scripts to convert these files though, so it may not be such an issue in the long run. Pete -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lightweight Alternative to Mozilla-Firebird
On Sat, Feb 28, 2004 at 12:31:17PM +1000 or thereabouts, Peter A. Cole wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 21:24:29 -0500
> "S.D.A." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > It's been some time since I last used Sylpheed, but one can set specific
> > reply-to behaviours for each mail directory. For a GUI client Sylpheed
> > isn't too bad -- Too bad it isn't a threaded client though. I disliked
> > the fact that one couldn't read mail, while it was initiating a
> > connection. Geez even Mozilla does that.
> >
> > --
> > Stephen
>
> Hi Stephen, when you say it isn't threaded, are you referring just to the fact that
> the messages in each thread aren't displayed together? If so, the default view in
> Sylpheed here is threaded. If you're referring to something different, then I'm not
> sure :-)
No it doesn't thread the processes. In other words one can't do anything
while one is downloading e-mail. The application is locked, until that
I/O finishes.
> And from what I can see so far, it should be able to check mail while I'm reading it
> as well, but I'll tell you after I've used it for a bit.
It didn't use to...
> And, by the way, this is the first message I've sent to the list using Sylpheed, so
> we'll see how it looks!
Give it a month or two to evaluate properly. One (in my view) can't
properly evaluate any application in a shorter period, unless some basic
feature is missing, than perhaps one can.
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Re: Lightweight Alternative to Mozilla-Firebird
On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 21:24:29 -0500 "S.D.A." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's been some time since I last used Sylpheed, but one can set specific > reply-to behaviours for each mail directory. For a GUI client Sylpheed > isn't too bad -- Too bad it isn't a threaded client though. I disliked > the fact that one couldn't read mail, while it was initiating a > connection. Geez even Mozilla does that. > > -- > Stephen Hi Stephen, when you say it isn't threaded, are you referring just to the fact that the messages in each thread aren't displayed together? If so, the default view in Sylpheed here is threaded. If you're referring to something different, then I'm not sure :-) And from what I can see so far, it should be able to check mail while I'm reading it as well, but I'll tell you after I've used it for a bit. And, by the way, this is the first message I've sent to the list using Sylpheed, so we'll see how it looks! Pete -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lightweight Alternative to Mozilla-Firebird
On Sat, Feb 28, 2004 at 12:07:25PM +1000 or thereabouts, Peter A. Cole wrote:
>
> I noticed on the site they're talking about another 12 months to get it
> where I need it to be. If I had lots of $$$ I'd make a donation to help!
>
> Also, I noticed by default in Sylpheed when you hit reply, it makes the list
> the recipient, not the individual poster, unlike Outlook Express and
> obviously mutt. My next step is to get all my mail onto the Debian box, then
> all will be very happy indeed :-)
It's been some time since I last used Sylpheed, but one can set specific
reply-to behaviours for each mail directory. For a GUI client Sylpheed
isn't too bad -- Too bad it isn't a threaded client though. I disliked
the fact that one couldn't read mail, while it was initiating a
connection. Geez even Mozilla does that.
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Stephen
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Re: Lightweight Alternative to Mozilla-Firebird
- Original Message - From: "David P James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 3:34 AM Subject: Re: Lightweight Alternative to Mozilla-Firebird > > There's Skipstone, but for some reason it does not appear to be in the > Debian repository anymore, which is unfortunate since it appears to be > what you're after - Gecko rendering, uses gtk without Gnome and without > all the XUL overhead of Firefox and Mozilla. It also has a decent slate > of modern browsing features - tabbed browsing, bookmark toolbar, > downloading via wget, configuration of mail handlers, etc. It may have > been removed since there have been no apparent updates since June 2002 > - just a few months before Phoenix (now Firefox) was first released... > > http://www.muhri.net/skipstone/ > > -- > David P James > Ottawa, Ontario > http://david.jamesnet.ca > Hi David, Skipstone does look good, but it does look like it's a little out of development at the moment. There's no news or anything since then, so maybe the developer's had a lack of interest or something. Oh well, looks like I'll have to stick with a combination of dillo and firebird at this stage as I really don't like the look and feel of Opera at all. Thanks for the mention though, I'll keep it in the back of my mind if it ever enters redevelopment. Pete -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lightweight Alternative to Mozilla-Firebird
- Original Message - From: "Tom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Peter A. Cole" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 11:59 AM Subject: Re: Lightweight Alternative to Mozilla-Firebird > * [28/02/2004 02:47] Peter A. Cole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > Unfortunately, Dillo is a little too restrictive in features at the > > moment, but when it's a little more along the development cycle I think > > it'll be an excellent browser. > > I'm not sure at all, but I wouldn't hope for it to get more features > soonish. I've known it in the state it's in for about two years, now. > :-) > > Greets, > Tom > You did it again Tom :-) I noticed on the site they're talking about another 12 months to get it where I need it to be. If I had lots of $$$ I'd make a donation to help! Also, I noticed by default in Sylpheed when you hit reply, it makes the list the recipient, not the individual poster, unlike Outlook Express and obviously mutt. My next step is to get all my mail onto the Debian box, then all will be very happy indeed :-) Pete -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lightweight Alternative to Mozilla-Firebird
- Original Message - From: "Michael Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 12:26 AM Subject: Re: Lightweight Alternative to Mozilla-Firebird On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 13:58:50 +0100, Jan Schulz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > * Peter A. Cole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Just wondering if anyone can suggest a lighter weight alternative to >> Mozilla >> Firebird? >> I'm running Sarge on an old P200MMX with 160MB RAM, but Firebird still >> chews >> up a little too much memory. > > Opera. > Just keep in mind that Opera grabs idle memory for use in caching. It readily gives it up when other applications need it, though. Opera has a .deb on their download site. Michael I'm downloading it now Michael to have a look see. Unfortunately, Dillo is a little too restrictive in features at the moment, but when it's a little more along the development cycle I think it'll be an excellent browser. Pete -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lightweight Alternative to Mozilla-Firebird
- Original Message - From: "Jan Schulz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 10:58 PM Subject: Re: Lightweight Alternative to Mozilla-Firebird > * Peter A. Cole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Just wondering if anyone can suggest a lighter weight alternative to Mozilla > > Firebird? > > I'm running Sarge on an old P200MMX with 160MB RAM, but Firebird still chews > > up a little too much memory. > > Opera. > > empty: > PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEMTIME+ COMMAND > 25935 jan9 0 24600 24m 11m S 0.0 4.8 0:02.13 opera > with 12 open pages: > 25935 jan9 0 39268 38m 12m S 0.0 7.6 0:24.05 opera > > Jan > Thanks Jan, that's nice and lean! I was originally avoiding Opera due to the cost thing, but I'll get the free version for now and see how it goes. Thanks, Pete -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lightweight Alternative to Mozilla-Firebird
On February 27, 2004 07:17, Peter A. Cole wrote: > Hi all, > > Just wondering if anyone can suggest a lighter weight alternative to > Mozilla Firebird? > > So far, I think Galeon may be similar to Firebird, but I think it > will want Gnome installed, which I definitely don't want to run. > There's Skipstone, but for some reason it does not appear to be in the Debian repository anymore, which is unfortunate since it appears to be what you're after - Gecko rendering, uses gtk without Gnome and without all the XUL overhead of Firefox and Mozilla. It also has a decent slate of modern browsing features - tabbed browsing, bookmark toolbar, downloading via wget, configuration of mail handlers, etc. It may have been removed since there have been no apparent updates since June 2002 - just a few months before Phoenix (now Firefox) was first released... http://www.muhri.net/skipstone/ -- David P James Ottawa, Ontario http://david.jamesnet.ca There is no art which one government sooner learns of another than that of draining money from the pockets of the people. -Adam Smith, The Wealth of Nations -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lightweight Alternative to Mozilla-Firebird
On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 13:58:50 +0100, Jan Schulz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: * Peter A. Cole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Just wondering if anyone can suggest a lighter weight alternative to Mozilla Firebird? I'm running Sarge on an old P200MMX with 160MB RAM, but Firebird still chews up a little too much memory. Opera. Just keep in mind that Opera grabs idle memory for use in caching. It readily gives it up when other applications need it, though. Opera has a .deb on their download site. Michael -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lightweight Alternative to Mozilla-Firebird
* Peter A. Cole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Just wondering if anyone can suggest a lighter weight alternative to Mozilla > Firebird? > I'm running Sarge on an old P200MMX with 160MB RAM, but Firebird still chews > up a little too much memory. Opera. empty: PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEMTIME+ COMMAND 25935 jan9 0 24600 24m 11m S 0.0 4.8 0:02.13 opera with 12 open pages: 25935 jan9 0 39268 38m 12m S 0.0 7.6 0:24.05 opera Jan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lightweight Alternative to Mozilla-Firebird
- Original Message - From: "Tom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Peter A. Cole" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 10:44 PM Subject: Re: Lightweight Alternative to Mozilla-Firebird > > Just check it out then. I'm quite sure dillo knows how to handle > cookies. Javascript might be a different thing, though... Not sure. > I've just installed it and yep, it's quick!! I'll have to leave Firebird installed though as I can't do Internet banking with it. No support for https by the looks :-( I haven't been to any pages requiring java script yet, but we'll see how it goes. The main thing is, I can access my favourite motorcycle news page, so that's all that really counts... and it's so much faster too! > > Well -- impacts... Except that it's butt-ugly, not really. :-) But don't > be surprised when using dillo: it's plain and ugly. Doesn't render HTML > to it's full extent (frames? :-p), but I enjoy using it on slower > machines... > I can see what you mean about butt-ugly compared with things like Firebird, but given my tendency towards console rather than GUI for most things, it doesn't offend me in the slightest > Greets, > Tom > > PS: Didn't actually mean to reply to you personally instead of only to > the list, but it happens to me all the time. :-) > And here I was thinking I was the only one suffering from having to hit Reply All then deleting the individual recipient and leaving the list only... so it's not only Outlook Express that does it hey? I'm amazed! Pete -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lightweight Alternative to Mozilla-Firebird
- Original Message - From: "Simon Huggins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 10:21 PM Subject: Re: Lightweight Alternative to Mozilla-Firebird > On Fri, Feb 27, 2004 at 10:17:21PM +1000, Peter A. Cole wrote: > > Just wondering if anyone can suggest a lighter weight alternative to > > Mozilla Firebird? > > dillo is very lightweight but not very featureful. I guess it depends > where your cutoff lies. > > -- > Simon Huggins \ Cows turn themselves inside out all the time. - Officer, > \ South Park > http://www.earth.li/~huggie/htag.pl 0.0.22 > Thanks Simon, the second recommendation for dillo. I shall have to look at it! Tom, in relation to your comments on less features and GTK 1... I think less features would be fine, I don't do anything complex, just general browsing, google searches, etc. Although I would need cookies and Java script I believe. Are there any impacts of GTK 1? I'm not sure about that sort of thing at all... And sorry to both of you for replying directly instead of to the list... can't wait to be rid of Outlook Express. Thanks guys, Pete -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fwd: Re: Lightweight Alternative to Mozilla-Firebird
* [27/02/2004 13:20] Peter A. Cole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Just wondering if anyone can suggest a lighter weight alternative to Mozilla > Firebird? If you can live with less features and GTK 1: dillo. :-) Otherwise: Opera? (non-free, though) Greets, Tom -- "Mongolian drivers do not care much about pedestrians." -- np: gar nix -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lightweight Alternative to Mozilla-Firebird
On Fri, Feb 27, 2004 at 10:17:21PM +1000, Peter A. Cole wrote: > Just wondering if anyone can suggest a lighter weight alternative to > Mozilla Firebird? dillo is very lightweight but not very featureful. I guess it depends where your cutoff lies. -- Simon Huggins \ Cows turn themselves inside out all the time. - Officer, \ South Park http://www.earth.li/~huggie/htag.pl 0.0.22 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Lightweight Alternative to Mozilla-Firebird
Hi all, Just wondering if anyone can suggest a lighter weight alternative to Mozilla Firebird? I'm running Sarge on an old P200MMX with 160MB RAM, but Firebird still chews up a little too much memory. I've gone down the Blackbox window manager path and am planning on using Sylpheed for email which seems lightweight enough for my purposes. So far, I think Galeon may be similar to Firebird, but I think it will want Gnome installed, which I definitely don't want to run. Any ideas at all? Thanks, Pete -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
