Re: Loadlin alternatives

2002-05-30 Thread DSC Siltec
Ivo Wever wrote:
 
 you wrote:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   I don't understand what you are talking about. I run Woody
   and boot from Win98, using loadlin.
 [snip]
 but Loadlin can't understand it.
 This problem is documented in the bug reports.  See
 bugs.debian.org/loadlin to see the description.  But essentially, it
 says that the compressed BZ file is bad, system halted.
 
 Anyhow, I'm still interested in seeing what alternatives I have.
 I build my kernels 'the Debian way' [1] and loadlin runs any kernel image
 I have build that way. Perhaps that's the alternative you are looking for? Or
 do I lack the knowledge of different options in kernel baking to understand
 your problem?
 
 1)
 http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch-post-install.en.html#s-kernel-baking
 

*SIGH*  That's exactly what I'm doing, the debian way, except that I
also run one additional step, make BzImage if I want a BzImage.  No
matter whether I use the kernel BzImage or VmLinuz, I get the error
mentioned at bugs.debian.org/loadlin 

The image does not work with Loadlin, it's compression is wrong.

So... back to the original question:  What other alternatives are out
there, that I can use instead of Loadlin, and what are their
characteristics?

  Thanks.


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Re: Loadlin alternatives

2002-05-30 Thread ben
On Thursday 30 May 2002 06:55 am, DSC Siltec wrote:
[snip]

 *SIGH*  That's exactly what I'm doing, the debian way, except that I
 also run one additional step, make BzImage if I want a BzImage.  No
 matter whether I use the kernel BzImage or VmLinuz, I get the error
 mentioned at bugs.debian.org/loadlin

 The image does not work with Loadlin, it's compression is wrong.


the compression errors may be due to misplaced uppercase letters. on my 
system, it's vmlinuz, and only the i in bzimage is uppercase.

ben


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Re: Loadlin alternatives

2002-05-30 Thread Manoj Srivastava
DSC == DSC Siltec [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 DSC *SIGH*  That's exactly what I'm doing, the debian way, except that I
 DSC also run one additional step, make BzImage if I want a
 DSC BzImage.  

The kernel-package default for i386 is BzImage, so you should
 not have to run that extra step.

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Loadlin alternatives

2002-05-29 Thread DSC Siltec
Well, it looks like Loadlin and Woody will not be compatible for some
time [I hate to say not ever...  but I  wonder...]

If that is the case, it is a shame, because I suspect there are a lot of
users like me who want to keep Windows as their main bootup option just
in case they have problems with Linux and don't understand enough to
boot up.  

But anyhow, since Loadlin won't work, I'd like to know about other
bootup options.  

Also, I keep my root directory on /hdc3, outside of the normal bootup
range.  My Windoze boots on /hda1 (indeed, /hdaonly).

Ideally, I'd like to keep DOS/Windoze98 as the primary, preferred boot,
and allow myself just to switch into Linux when I want that.  

Can someone compare the different bootup methods for me, and also tell
which ones would be most compatible with my desires here?

  - Mike


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Re: Loadlin alternatives

2002-05-29 Thread Colin Watson
On Wed, May 29, 2002 at 11:07:18AM +0200, DSC Siltec wrote:
 Well, it looks like Loadlin and Woody will not be compatible for some
 time [I hate to say not ever...  but I  wonder...]

Out of interest, what's the problem? (Did I miss a thread?)

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Re: Loadlin alternatives

2002-05-29 Thread Keith Powell
On Wednesday 29 May 2002 10:07 am, DSC Siltec wrote:

 Snip 

 But anyhow, since Loadlin won't work, I'd like to know about other
 bootup options.


Mike.

I don't have a hard drive inside my computer. Instead I have three hard drives 
each in a removeable tray (caddy). There is one slot on the front of my 
machine, into which a tray can be plugged. 

Each drive is self-contained with a different operating system, and I simply 
plug in which ever OS I want to use. I think this is better than dual or 
triple booting as the different systems are completely separate.

I have used this method for some time, without any problems.

Just a thought as an alternative.

Keith



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Re: Loadlin alternatives

2002-05-29 Thread Anthony Campbell
On 29 May 2002, Colin Watson wrote:
 On Wed, May 29, 2002 at 11:07:18AM +0200, DSC Siltec wrote:
  Well, it looks like Loadlin and Woody will not be compatible for some
  time [I hate to say not ever...  but I  wonder...]
 
 Out of interest, what's the problem? (Did I miss a thread?)
 
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Funny - it's still working here, with Woody and kernel 2.4.18. I keep
DOS around largely because it allows me to boot easily into Linux
without messing around with Lilo and without hassles regarding different
kernel versions.

AC


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Re: Loadlin alternatives

2002-05-29 Thread I . J . W . Wever
 Well, it looks like Loadlin and Woody will not be 
 compatible for some time [I hate to say not ever...  but 
 I  wonder...]
 
 If that is the case, it is a shame, because I suspect 
 there are a lot of users like me who want to keep Windows
 as their main bootup option just in case they have 
 problems with Linux and don't understand enough to
 boot up.  
 
I don't understand what you are talking about. I run Woody 
and boot from Win98, using loadlin.


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Re: Loadlin alternatives

2002-05-29 Thread DSC Siltec
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Well, it looks like Loadlin and Woody will not be
  compatible for some time [I hate to say not ever...  but
  I  wonder...]
 
  If that is the case, it is a shame, because I suspect
  there are a lot of users like me who want to keep Windows
  as their main bootup option just in case they have
  problems with Linux and don't understand enough to
  boot up.
 
 I don't understand what you are talking about. I run Woody
 and boot from Win98, using loadlin.

The problem comes when I rebuild.  Rebuilding creates a BZfile 
that loadlin cannot understand.  Yes, the original kernel works under
woody and loadlin.  But if I try rebuilding to get vmlinuz-2.18.xx or
whatever,
that kernel doesn't work.  Or if I use make BzImage (caps indicate
statement only), a BzImage is made, but Loadlin can't understand it. 
This problem is documented in the bug reports.  See
bugs.debian.org/loadlin to see the description.  But essentially, it
says that the compressed BZ file is bad, system halted.

Anyhow, I'm still interested in seeing what alternatives I have.

  - Mike


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Re: Loadlin alternatives

2002-05-29 Thread Kent West

DSC Siltec wrote:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Well, it looks like Loadlin and Woody will not be
compatible for some time [I hate to say not ever...  but
I  wonder...]

If that is the case, it is a shame, because I suspect
there are a lot of users like me who want to keep Windows
as their main bootup option just in case they have
problems with Linux and don't understand enough to
boot up.



I don't understand what you are talking about. I run Woody
and boot from Win98, using loadlin.



The problem comes when I rebuild.  Rebuilding creates a BZfile 
that loadlin cannot understand.  Yes, the original kernel works under

woody and loadlin.  But if I try rebuilding to get vmlinuz-2.18.xx or
whatever,
that kernel doesn't work.  Or if I use make BzImage (caps indicate
statement only), a BzImage is made, but Loadlin can't understand it. 
This problem is documented in the bug reports.  See

bugs.debian.org/loadlin to see the description.  But essentially, it
says that the compressed BZ file is bad, system halted.

Anyhow, I'm still interested in seeing what alternatives I have.

  - Mike




There was a thread concerning this about one or two weeks ago. It turns 
out that there's a bug in the loadlin program that can't handle newer 
kernel bzImages, or something like that. I don't remember the details. 
It's a reported bug; you should be able to find out more in the mailing 
list archives or perhaps in Bugzilla (or wherever such bugs would be 
searchable).


Kent



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