MUA Blues in X
i've got the MUA blues, badly, i'm feeling slightly depressed, let down and so on. I'm also freaking out on text-based mailclients (i know, i'm a wuzz) and can't find a reasonalby good X-MUA. Mutt, is to much of a hassle for me and lacks some feature. Pine seems like really good but darn i want point-n-click. Balsa, crashes and has some usabiliy issues i really do mind. Spruce, same story. Segmentation fault after reinstall of my system. Evolution, would not install. /usr/bin/ld : -ldb not found Cronos, same story as Evolution Mozilla mail, oh god ! can there really exist something slower than mozilla ? that crashes as often as it does ? and so on and on and on tkmail, tkrat, tried it but didn't really got thrilled. Do i REALLY have to install kde to get something close to say outlook express (i know, i know, but it beats any linux mua i've seen) Suggestion PLEASE.J.L.
Re: MUA Blues in X
i've got the MUA blues, badly, i'm feeling slightly depressed, let down and so on. I'm also freaking out on text-based mailclients (i know, i'm a wuzz) and can't find a reasonalby good X-MUA. Mutt, is to much of a hassle for me and lacks some feature. Pine seems like really good but darn i want point-n-click. Balsa, crashes and has some usabiliy issues i really do mind. Spruce, same story. Segmentation fault after reinstall of my system. Evolution, would not install. /usr/bin/ld : -ldb not found Cronos, same story as Evolution Mozilla mail, oh god ! can there really exist something slower than mozilla ? that crashes as often as it does ? and so on and on and on tkmail, tkrat, tried it but didn't really got thrilled. Do i REALLY have to install kde to get something close to say outlook express (i know, i know, but it beats any linux mua i've seen) Mmm. Well all mua's are awful, just have to live with 'em ! I have never seen anything like quite like outlook... I use KDE2, which has some bizarre behaviour (I don;t know if it is a feature or a bug but when you trawl down a list of message headers and delete them as you go it redraws the header list in an extremely odd way - it drives me nuts), but is liveable with apart from that. I find it hard to imagine what feature you require that Mutt does not have, except point and click of course... I deal with mail as follows. I use mutt to very quickly review/delete/answer mail. Mail that I want to keep or think about I leave in the spool. Later in X I use KDE2 to file mail etc... This is nicer in practise than it sounds in it's description..lol. With mutt I can deal with 90% or more of the mail very quickly. Probably doesnt help your quest, just passing it on .. Cliff
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Well, it does make it clear to me that i will have to embrace console base mua's sooner then i think. Don't wanna go back to Win2K, thought it is tempting. Still, how HARD can it be to write something decent ? That does not require knowledge of compiler's to install and so on. I pray some rogue genius takes it up to him/herself to create a superb MUA for X. That will be the day i'll be smiling again. Okay, maybe a little sooner but this is getting to me, how on earth is linux going to rival with any Desktop-OS if it lacks these basic things. Good Technology but very weak user-focused developments Browsers, same story. You would not want to say mozilla/netscape is a breeze to work with would ya ? I've never seen it work without crashing (ie on win2k does to but not as often) Galeon seems like a good option but it a mess to install since Mozilla seems to be too NEW ... boehoe It's a problem with a lot of the X app's i've seen, the menu's slide down instead of popping up. Still, i like X AND Linux big time. J.L. -Original Message- From: Cliff Sarginson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 10:19 AM To: Joris Lambrecht; 'debian-user@lists.debian.org' Subject: Re: MUA Blues in X i've got the MUA blues, badly, i'm feeling slightly depressed, let down and so on. I'm also freaking out on text-based mailclients (i know, i'm a wuzz) and can't find a reasonalby good X-MUA. Mutt, is to much of a hassle for me and lacks some feature. Pine seems like really good but darn i want point-n-click. Balsa, crashes and has some usabiliy issues i really do mind. Spruce, same story. Segmentation fault after reinstall of my system. Evolution, would not install. /usr/bin/ld : -ldb not found Cronos, same story as Evolution Mozilla mail, oh god ! can there really exist something slower than mozilla ? that crashes as often as it does ? and so on and on and on tkmail, tkrat, tried it but didn't really got thrilled. Do i REALLY have to install kde to get something close to say outlook express (i know, i know, but it beats any linux mua i've seen) Mmm. Well all mua's are awful, just have to live with 'em ! I have never seen anything like quite like outlook... I use KDE2, which has some bizarre behaviour (I don;t know if it is a feature or a bug but when you trawl down a list of message headers and delete them as you go it redraws the header list in an extremely odd way - it drives me nuts), but is liveable with apart from that. I find it hard to imagine what feature you require that Mutt does not have, except point and click of course... I deal with mail as follows. I use mutt to very quickly review/delete/answer mail. Mail that I want to keep or think about I leave in the spool. Later in X I use KDE2 to file mail etc... This is nicer in practise than it sounds in it's description..lol. With mutt I can deal with 90% or more of the mail very quickly. Probably doesnt help your quest, just passing it on .. Cliff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Joris Lambrecht wrote: Well, it does make it clear to me that i will have to embrace console base mua's sooner then i think. Don't wanna go back to Win2K, thought it is tempting. Still, how HARD can it be to write something decent ? That does not require knowledge of compiler's to install and so on. I was in ypur position a little while back with a dual boot finally just to use Outlook. But I wanted asingle boot and the great features which come with having an MTA so I bit the bullet and researched what was out there. The general opinion was that Mutt was the best so I installed, no compiling, and grabbed as many of the setup (.muttrc files) I could fine. It took a good couple of days of fiddling around and and lot's of questions, but I got up and running fairly painlessly and haven't regretted it. Once you get used to Mutt it is far superior to Outlook and you can get very fast on it. My two cents worth is put in the time and you won't be sorry. Okay, maybe a little sooner but this is getting to me, how on earth is linux going to rival with any Desktop-OS if it lacks these basic things. Good True. But while desktop systems such as KDE and Gnome are trying to rival Windows functionality, I don't think Linux itself is, nor should it. And there's the rub. Technology but very weak user-focused developments Browsers, same story. You Bowsers is my one complaint :). Ie is still betetr than anything on Linux. But there's a couple projects coming along that look promising so I don't know if that will the case for long. It's a problem with a lot of the X app's i've seen, the menu's slide down instead of popping up. ??? Still, i like X AND Linux big time. Good. That makes two of us. I think there's a few more on this list... Jonathan
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At Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:55:12 +0100 , Jonathan Gift [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joris Lambrecht wrote: Well, it does make it clear to me that i will have to embrace console base mua's sooner then i think. [..] I was in ypur position a little while back with a dual boot finally just to use Outlook. I'm currently doing just that so that I can still use Pegasus which despite its... oddities... is still better than Outlook. I'm still playing with Mutt but so far I have to say I prefer Peggy, I plan to see whether I can get it running under Wine somehow. Once you get used to Mutt it is far superior to Outlook Yeah, but then so is piping your mail to the console :-) Actually I /do/ quite like Mutt, I just /prefer/ Pegasus. and you can get very fast on it. I've always found using the keys faster than a mouse (think about all that time you spend just dragging the mouse pointer from one end of the screen to the other). Technology but very weak user-focused developments Browsers, same story. You Bowsers is my one complaint :). Ie is still betetr than anything on Linux. One word: Opera. I've only tried it on Win32 so far, but it was the best browser I've used. Keep Mozilla, IE, Lynx, I'll take Opera. At least, I'd take v3, but I didn't like v4 as it started to feel bloated... Hmm, I notice they even do .debs :-) Get your own FREE E-mail address at http://www.linuxfreemail.com Linux FREE Mail is 100% FREE, 100% Linux, and 100% yours!
Re: MUA Blues in X
apt-get install sylpheed On Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:02:55 +0100 Joris Lambrecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i've got the MUA blues, badly, i'm feeling slightly depressed, let down and so on. I'm also freaking out on text-based mailclients (i know, i'm a wuzz) and can't find a reasonalby good X-MUA. Mutt, is to much of a hassle for me and lacks some feature. Pine seems like really good but darn i want point-n-click. Balsa, crashes and has some usabiliy issues i really do mind. Spruce, same story. Segmentation fault after reinstall of my system. Evolution, would not install. /usr/bin/ld : -ldb not found Cronos, same story as Evolution Mozilla mail, oh god ! can there really exist something slower than mozilla ? that crashes as often as it does ? and so on and on and on tkmail, tkrat, tried it but didn't really got thrilled. Do i REALLY have to install kde to get something close to say outlook express (i know, i know, but it beats any linux mua i've seen) Suggestion PLEASE. J.L.
RE: MUA Blues in X
very nice screenshots at the sylpheed page, i hope those kanji (japanese) characters are specific to the language and not to sylpheed :) http://sylpheed.good-day.net/index.cgi.en#screenshot -Original Message- From: Paulo Henrique Baptista de Oliveira [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 11:58 AM To: Joris Lambrecht Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: MUA Blues in X apt-get install sylpheed On Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:02:55 +0100 Joris Lambrecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i've got the MUA blues, badly, i'm feeling slightly depressed, let down and so on. I'm also freaking out on text-based mailclients (i know, i'm a wuzz) and can't find a reasonalby good X-MUA. Mutt, is to much of a hassle for me and lacks some feature. Pine seems like really good but darn i want point-n-click. Balsa, crashes and has some usabiliy issues i really do mind. Spruce, same story. Segmentation fault after reinstall of my system. Evolution, would not install. /usr/bin/ld : -ldb not found Cronos, same story as Evolution Mozilla mail, oh god ! can there really exist something slower than mozilla ? that crashes as often as it does ? and so on and on and on tkmail, tkrat, tried it but didn't really got thrilled. Do i REALLY have to install kde to get something close to say outlook express (i know, i know, but it beats any linux mua i've seen) Suggestion PLEASE. J.L.
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and so on and on and on tkmail, tkrat, tried it but didn't really got thrilled. Do i REALLY have to install kde to get something close to say outlook express (i know, i know, but it beats any linux mua i've seen) Suggestion PLEASE. I've been using exmh (tcl/tk based) for years on aix and linux. full featured, fast, graphical, stable etc ... look and feel is quite different from sylpheed (better in my opinion) Since they both rely on MH you can easily switch between sylpheed and exmh. D. -- | Dominique Rousset| Tel: +33 (0)5 59 92 31 71| | Imagerie Géophysique UMR 5831| Fax: +33 (0)5 59 92 31 86| | Univ. Pau et des Pays de l'Adour | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | BP 1115 - F-64013 Pau Cedex - France |
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bowsers is my one complaint :). Ie is still betetr than anything on Linux. One word: Opera. I would tend to agree. Of them all, and I believe I've tried them all, Opera is light, good looking, and fast. he only problem is the beta and they still charge. Though I hear they(ve got to ads in the Windows version. BTW, I loose my preference's looks settings evry time. Is this just me? ie I pick Motif and next time I start Opera it's back in the default look. Jonathan
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To quote Joris Lambrecht [EMAIL PROTECTED], # Do i REALLY have to install kde to get something close to say outlook # express (i know, i know, but it beats any linux mua i've seen) No, you don't - not in my experience. Currently, for me, Sylpheed is in the sweet spot. It has all the features I use(filtering, newgroup reading/posting, multiple account support, etc., etc.), and none of the features I don't work(calandering, HTML, you name it). Check it out. It's GTK+ based, not GNOME-based, so you don't have to install too much. GTK+, of course. :) David Barclay Harris, Clan Barclay Aut agere, aut mori. (Either action, or death.)
Re: MUA Blues in X
To quote Joris Lambrecht [EMAIL PROTECTED], # Do i REALLY have to install kde to get something close to say outlook # express (i know, i know, but it beats any linux mua i've seen) No, you don't - not in my experience. Currently, for me, Sylpheed is in the sweet spot. It has all the features I use(filtering, newgroup reading/posting, multiple account support, etc., etc.), and none of the features I don't work(calandering, HTML, you name it). Only problem is it uses MH mail format... :( Cliff
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To quote Cliff Sarginson [EMAIL PROTECTED], # To quote Joris Lambrecht [EMAIL PROTECTED], # # Do i REALLY have to install kde to get something close to say outlook # # express (i know, i know, but it beats any linux mua i've seen) # # No, you don't - not in my experience. # # Currently, for me, Sylpheed is in the sweet spot. It has all the # features I use(filtering, newgroup reading/posting, multiple account # support, etc., etc.), and none of the features I don't work(calandering, # HTML, you name it). # # Only problem is it uses MH mail format... :( Depending on why you think that's a problem, it might not be ;) I've long hated mail apps that munge my stuff. If it's in 'mbox' format, leave it alone. :) Anyways, check out the 'nmh' package. It has lots of tools used with MH-format directories. Very useful. Procmail also support MH-format folders too. David Barclay Harris, Clan Barclay Aut agere, aut mori. (Either action, or death.)
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Joris Lambrecht wrote: i've got the MUA blues, badly, i'm feeling slightly depressed, let down and so on. I'm also freaking out on text-based mailclients (i know, i'm a wuzz) and can't find a reasonalby good X-MUA. Mutt, is to much of a hassle for me and lacks some feature. Pine seems like really good but darn i want point-n-click. Well i went through a half dozen gui-mua before i found Pronto. It has all the good stuff, filters,threading,etc. You can apt-get it. It has a very good mailing list moderated by the current developer so all your questions get first hand answers.Visit //muhri.net. He is also developing a browser called 'skipstone' But i still prefer Mutt so i don't have to point and click. -- ~~~
