Re: MUTT users PLEASE read [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: lists.d.o Spam (was: Marking BTS spam)]
On 2/24/06, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 24 Feb 2006, Cybe R. Wizard wrote: Interestingly, there is no two-line instruction on your mail. I've noticed the same for some other people, too, but haven't chased it down. Hint: it is there, your client isn't showing it, and it is related to gpg support. Mutt doesn't show it (by default? I don't know if this can be changed). There are some mails in this thread for me where I don't have the UNSUBSCRIBE directions at the bottom. I tried using gmail's show original feature and it didn't show the 2 lines. Also, one of the mails wasn't gpg signed (the one by Scott). So perhaps it's a list software problem, instead of being related to gpg settings. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] On this one it obviously did show up, so gmail isn't swallowing them all. greets, Wim
Re: MUTT users PLEASE read [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: lists.d.o Spam (was: Marking BTS spam)]
On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 13:45:12 +0100 Wim De Smet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/24/06, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 24 Feb 2006, Cybe R. Wizard wrote: Interestingly, there is no two-line instruction on your mail. I've noticed the same for some other people, too, but haven't chased it down. Hint: it is there, your client isn't showing it, and it is related to gpg support. Mutt doesn't show it (by default? I don't know if this can be changed). There are some mails in this thread for me where I don't have the UNSUBSCRIBE directions at the bottom. I tried using gmail's show original feature and it didn't show the 2 lines. Also, one of the mails wasn't gpg signed (the one by Scott). So perhaps it's a list software problem, instead of being related to gpg settings. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] On this one it obviously did show up, so gmail isn't swallowing them all. greets, Wim But on your mail it doesn't. How do you post? Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MUTT users PLEASE read [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: lists.d.o Spam (was: Marking BTS spam)]
On Fri, Feb 24, 2006 at 12:47:50PM -0500, Gregory Seidman wrote: On Fri, Feb 24, 2006 at 11:38:00AM -0500, Kevin Mark wrote: } Hi spam-killers, } Here is a new test system to improve spam reporting in Debian. } It seems mutt users will be the primary ones to use this. Sure, no problem. Now, given that I archive my spam (yes, spamassassin is trained on everything that has come in, but what if I want to change to some other system that needs training later? disk space is cheap...), should I go through it and find all the spam that passed through debian-user and bounce it? I can. It's easy. I just have to do it a little carefully so that my ISP doesn't think *I'm* sending spam. } Cheers, } Kev --Greg Hi Greg, et al. I and others inquired about getting spam reporting on the -devel list. 'Cord' made the setup and IIRC is in change of this. So, i'd ask him! Hopefully, this will help reduce debian-mailing-list spam! I just wanted to get the word out, as I and most others enjoy killing spam and wanted to waste no time in doing so! Cheers, Kev -- | .''`. == Debian GNU/Linux == | my web site: | | : :' : The Universal | debian.home.pipeline.com | | `. `' Operating System| go to counter.li.org and | | `-http://www.debian.org/ |be counted! #238656 | | my keysever: pgp.mit.edu | my NPO: cfsg.org | signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: MUTT users PLEASE read [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: lists.d.o Spam (was: Marking BTS spam)]
On Sat, Feb 25, 2006 at 09:01:52PM -0700, Scott wrote: Alex Nordstrom spake thusly on 02/24/2006 10:06 AM: Saturday, 25 February 2006 00:38, Kevin Mark wrote: Here is a new test system to improve spam reporting in Debian. It seems mutt users will be the primary ones to use this. Presumably, KMail users should also be able to participate. And Thunderbird and Sylpheed... What's with this Mutt Users [only] stuff? Hi Scott, I use mutt and the poster (Cord) only mentioned that he knew of using mutt and He (and I also) didn't know of the other ways to do this. So, I know many folks here use Mutt as I do. So, I thought it 'safe' to only direct mutt users, as I didn't know if others could use a similar method. I should have made it 'all users' as folks here know stuff I dont. It was a moment where I did not think clearly and shot off the mail with out engaging 'brain'. Mea Culpa. Cheers, Kev -- | .''`. == Debian GNU/Linux == | my web site: | | : :' : The Universal | debian.home.pipeline.com | | `. `' Operating System| go to counter.li.org and | | `-http://www.debian.org/ |be counted! #238656 | | my keysever: pgp.mit.edu | my NPO: cfsg.org | signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: MUTT users PLEASE read [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: lists.d.o Spam (was: Marking BTS spam)]
On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 15:08:17 -0600 Jacob S [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 11:38:00 -0500 Kevin Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi spam-killers, Here is a new test system to improve spam reporting in Debian. It seems mutt users will be the primary ones to use this. Cheers, Kev Sylpheed users are also on the list of people with a client that can do this. Jacob Do you mean Message-Redirect ? Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MUTT users PLEASE read [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: lists.d.o Spam (was: Marking BTS spam)]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:40:04 +0200 Andrei Popescu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 15:08:17 -0600 Jacob S [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 11:38:00 -0500 Kevin Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi spam-killers, Here is a new test system to improve spam reporting in Debian. It seems mutt users will be the primary ones to use this. Cheers, Kev Sylpheed users are also on the list of people with a client that can do this. Jacob Do you mean Message-Redirect ? Yes. Works for me. Jacob -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEAI2bkpJ43hY3cTURAm7fAKDnuFzKoZChu/BV4JJFa5Kps0KM2gCfUv4l xJzAqXD/rJ89tcOYSUhbq8M= =rwSK -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: MUTT users PLEASE read [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: lists.d.o Spam (was: Marking BTS spam)]
Alex Nordstrom spake thusly on 02/24/2006 10:06 AM: Saturday, 25 February 2006 00:38, Kevin Mark wrote: Here is a new test system to improve spam reporting in Debian. It seems mutt users will be the primary ones to use this. Presumably, KMail users should also be able to participate. And Thunderbird and Sylpheed... What's with this Mutt Users [only] stuff? -- Scott www.angrykeyboarder.com © 2006 angrykeyboarder™ Elmer Fudd. All Wights Wesewved
Re: MUTT users PLEASE read [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: lists.d.o Spam (was: Marking BTS spam)]
John Halton spake thusly on 02/24/2006 09:51 AM: On 2/24/06, Kevin Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [1] Bounce as in mutt b. I don't know if and how this can be done in thunderbird Apparently the following extension allows bouncing using Thunderbird - http://mailredirect.mozdev.org/ Haven't looked into it any further though so don't know if it will work in all circumstances or for this particular purpose. I've been using that extension for quite a while. I don't see why it wouldn't work in this instance. -- Scott www.angrykeyboarder.com © 2006 angrykeyboarder™ Elmer Fudd. All Wights Wesewved
MUTT users PLEASE read [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: lists.d.o Spam (was: Marking BTS spam)]
Hi spam-killers, Here is a new test system to improve spam reporting in Debian. It seems mutt users will be the primary ones to use this. Cheers, Kev - Forwarded message from Cord Beermann [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 07:03:31 -0600 To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org Hallo! Du (Cord Beermann) hast geschrieben: The idea of having a reporting address is good, i'll will announce one in the next days and then lets see what happens. ok, here it is: (alpha release, lets see what happens and if it is useful.) If you get spam via our lists, BOUNCE[1] it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Incomplete mails[2] will be discarded, * mis-use (report of non-spam, mass-reporting of one spam, automatic forwarding based on some automatism (scores of Anti-Spamtools or something)) will be blacklisted. The reported mails will be used to enhance our Spamassassin and procmail-filters. The mails will be stored non-public. [1] Bounce as in mutt b. I don't know if and how this can be done in thunderbird, or M$ LookOut. If it possible someone may explain it in a follow up. Forwarding is NOT ok at this time, those mails will be discarded. [2] I want complete mails. this means: ALL Headers and the body. If your system adds its own headers, or overwrites our Spamassassin-Headers it's ok, Cord -- http://lists.debian.org - End forwarded message - -- | .''`. == Debian GNU/Linux == | my web site: | | : :' : The Universal | debian.home.pipeline.com | | `. `' Operating System| go to counter.li.org and | | `-http://www.debian.org/ |be counted! #238656 | | my keysever: pgp.mit.edu | my NPO: cfsg.org | signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: MUTT users PLEASE read [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: lists.d.o Spam (was: Marking BTS spam)]
On 2/24/06, Kevin Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [1] Bounce as in mutt b. I don't know if and how this can be done in thunderbird Apparently the following extension allows bouncing using Thunderbird - http://mailredirect.mozdev.org/ Haven't looked into it any further though so don't know if it will work in all circumstances or for this particular purpose.
Re: MUTT users PLEASE read [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: lists.d.o Spam (was: Marking BTS spam)]
Saturday, 25 February 2006 00:38, Kevin Mark wrote: Here is a new test system to improve spam reporting in Debian. It seems mutt users will be the primary ones to use this. Presumably, KMail users should also be able to participate. - Forwarded message from Cord Beermann [EMAIL PROTECTED] - If you get spam via our lists, BOUNCE[1] it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] The way to seemingly achieve the same effect in KMail 1.9.1 is to use Message-Forward-Redirect (shortcut: E). I believe older versions had the same feature under Message-Bounce (which seems to be supported by an obviously outdated section of the manual). I'm sure someone will point out if this feature does not meet the requirements of this application. Now, as a question of policy, are the half-dozen daily unsubscribe messages from those too illiterate to comprehend a two-line instruction added in caps to every message on the list considered spam? They're certainly unsolicited (nobody wants 'em) bulk (they're bothering everyone on the list) e-mail. What about challenge-response junk, false bounces from misconfigured spamfilters, and out-of-the-office replies? -- Alex Nordstrom http://lx.n3.net/ Please do not CC me in followups; I am subscribed to debian-user. pgphv9ULboaQ2.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: MUTT users PLEASE read [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: lists.d.o Spam (was: Marking BTS spam)]
On Sat, 25 Feb 2006, Alex Nordstrom wrote: Now, as a question of policy, are the half-dozen daily unsubscribe messages from those too illiterate to comprehend a two-line instruction added in caps to every message on the list considered spam? They're certainly unsolicited (nobody wants 'em) bulk (they're bothering everyone on the list) e-mail. What about challenge-response junk, false bounces from misconfigured spamfilters, and out-of-the-office replies? All of those are SPAM, if you go by the It is utterly useless crap *AND* it is off-topic *AND* it was generated by layer 8 malfunction or by viruses or by autoresponders *AND* it did not spawn a thread. After all, if people started replying to a SPAM and it made a thread out of it, no matter how off-topic for the list that thread is, the entire thing (spam included) it is probably best left alone in the archives. PS: layer 8: refer to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSI_model, Humor. -- One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond where the shadows lie. -- The Silicon Valley Tarot Henrique Holschuh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MUTT users PLEASE read [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: lists.d.o Spam (was: Marking BTS spam)]
On Fri, Feb 24, 2006 at 11:38:00AM -0500, Kevin Mark wrote: } Hi spam-killers, } Here is a new test system to improve spam reporting in Debian. } It seems mutt users will be the primary ones to use this. Sure, no problem. Now, given that I archive my spam (yes, spamassassin is trained on everything that has come in, but what if I want to change to some other system that needs training later? disk space is cheap...), should I go through it and find all the spam that passed through debian-user and bounce it? I can. It's easy. I just have to do it a little carefully so that my ISP doesn't think *I'm* sending spam. } Cheers, } Kev --Greg } - Forwarded message from Cord Beermann [EMAIL PROTECTED] - } Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 07:03:31 -0600 } To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org } } Hallo! Du (Cord Beermann) hast geschrieben: } } The idea of having a reporting address is good, i'll will announce one } in the next days and then lets see what happens. } } ok, here it is: (alpha release, lets see what happens and if it is } useful.) } } If you get spam via our lists, BOUNCE[1] it to } [EMAIL PROTECTED] } } * Incomplete mails[2] will be discarded, } * mis-use (report of non-spam, mass-reporting of one spam, automatic }forwarding based on some automatism (scores of Anti-Spamtools or }something)) will be blacklisted. } } The reported mails will be used to enhance our Spamassassin and } procmail-filters. The mails will be stored non-public. } } [1] Bounce as in mutt b. I don't know if and how this can be done in } thunderbird, or M$ LookOut. If it possible someone may explain } it in a follow up. Forwarding is NOT ok at this time, those } mails will be discarded. } } [2] I want complete mails. this means: ALL Headers and the body. If } your system adds its own headers, or overwrites our } Spamassassin-Headers it's ok, } } Cord } -- } http://lists.debian.org } - End forwarded message - } -- } | .''`. == Debian GNU/Linux == | my web site: | } | : :' : The Universal | debian.home.pipeline.com | } | `. `' Operating System| go to counter.li.org and | } | `-http://www.debian.org/ |be counted! #238656 | } | my keysever: pgp.mit.edu | my NPO: cfsg.org | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MUTT users PLEASE read [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: lists.d.o Spam (was: Marking BTS spam)]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 11:38:00 -0500 Kevin Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi spam-killers, Here is a new test system to improve spam reporting in Debian. It seems mutt users will be the primary ones to use this. Cheers, Kev Sylpheed users are also on the list of people with a client that can do this. Jacob -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFD/3XEkpJ43hY3cTURAg84AJ4u/U9qnwcm00U7TTSlNxdMPfBo2QCgszrI GMfOVZothc91/30bM6O3K4g= =P4XW -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: MUTT users PLEASE read [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: lists.d.o Spam (was: Marking BTS spam)]
On Sat, 25 Feb 2006 01:06:27 +0800 Alex Nordstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now, as a question of policy, are the half-dozen daily unsubscribe messages from those too illiterate to comprehend a two-line instruction added in caps to every message on the list considered spam? They're certainly unsolicited (nobody wants 'em) bulk (they're bothering everyone on the list) e-mail. What about challenge-response junk, false bounces from misconfigured spamfilters, and out-of-the-office replies? (copying the .sig and everything below it back in) -- Alex Nordstrom http://lx.n3.net/ Please do not CC me in followups; I am subscribed to debian-user. [application/pgp-signature (189 bytes)] Interestingly, there is no two-line instruction on your mail. I've noticed the same for some other people, too, but haven't chased it down. Cybe R. Wizard -- When Windows are opened the bugs come in. Winduhs -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MUTT users PLEASE read [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: lists.d.o Spam (was: Marking BTS spam)]
On Fri, 24 Feb 2006, Cybe R. Wizard wrote: Interestingly, there is no two-line instruction on your mail. I've noticed the same for some other people, too, but haven't chased it down. Hint: it is there, your client isn't showing it, and it is related to gpg support. Mutt doesn't show it (by default? I don't know if this can be changed). -- One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond where the shadows lie. -- The Silicon Valley Tarot Henrique Holschuh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]