Re: MUTT users PLEASE read [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: lists.d.o Spam (was: Marking BTS spam)]

2006-02-27 Thread Wim De Smet
On 2/24/06, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Fri, 24 Feb 2006, Cybe R. Wizard wrote:
  Interestingly, there is no two-line instruction on your mail.
  I've noticed the same for some other people, too, but haven't chased it
  down.

 Hint: it is there, your client isn't showing it, and it is related to gpg
 support.

 Mutt doesn't show it (by default? I don't know if this can be changed).


There are some mails in this thread for me where I don't have the
UNSUBSCRIBE directions at the bottom. I tried using gmail's show
original feature and it didn't show the 2 lines. Also, one of the
mails wasn't gpg signed (the one by Scott). So perhaps it's a list
software problem, instead of being related to gpg settings.

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On this one it obviously did show up, so gmail isn't swallowing them all.

greets,
Wim



Re: MUTT users PLEASE read [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: lists.d.o Spam (was: Marking BTS spam)]

2006-02-27 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 13:45:12 +0100
Wim De Smet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 2/24/06, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Fri, 24 Feb 2006, Cybe R. Wizard wrote:
   Interestingly, there is no two-line instruction on your mail.
   I've noticed the same for some other people, too, but haven't chased it
   down.
 
  Hint: it is there, your client isn't showing it, and it is related to gpg
  support.
 
  Mutt doesn't show it (by default? I don't know if this can be changed).
 
 
 There are some mails in this thread for me where I don't have the
 UNSUBSCRIBE directions at the bottom. I tried using gmail's show
 original feature and it didn't show the 2 lines. Also, one of the
 mails wasn't gpg signed (the one by Scott). So perhaps it's a list
 software problem, instead of being related to gpg settings.
 
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 On this one it obviously did show up, so gmail isn't swallowing them all.
 
 greets,
 Wim

But on your mail it doesn't. How do you post?

Andrei
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Re: MUTT users PLEASE read [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: lists.d.o Spam (was: Marking BTS spam)]

2006-02-26 Thread Kevin Mark
On Fri, Feb 24, 2006 at 12:47:50PM -0500, Gregory Seidman wrote:
 On Fri, Feb 24, 2006 at 11:38:00AM -0500, Kevin Mark wrote:
 } Hi spam-killers,
 } Here is a new test system to improve spam reporting in Debian.
 } It seems mutt users will be the primary ones to use this.
 
 Sure, no problem. Now, given that I archive my spam (yes, spamassassin is
 trained on everything that has come in, but what if I want to change to
 some other system that needs training later? disk space is cheap...),
 should I go through it and find all the spam that passed through
 debian-user and bounce it? I can. It's easy. I just have to do it a little
 carefully so that my ISP doesn't think *I'm* sending spam.
 
 } Cheers,
 } Kev
 --Greg
Hi Greg, et al.
I and others inquired about getting spam reporting on the -devel list.
'Cord' made the setup and IIRC is in change of this. So, i'd ask him!
Hopefully, this will help reduce debian-mailing-list spam!
I just wanted to get the word out, as I and most others enjoy killing
spam and wanted to waste no time in doing so!
Cheers,
Kev
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Re: MUTT users PLEASE read [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: lists.d.o Spam (was: Marking BTS spam)]

2006-02-26 Thread Kevin Mark
On Sat, Feb 25, 2006 at 09:01:52PM -0700, Scott wrote:
 Alex Nordstrom spake thusly on 02/24/2006 10:06 AM:
 Saturday, 25 February 2006 00:38, Kevin Mark wrote:
 Here is a new test system to improve spam reporting in Debian.
 It seems mutt users will be the primary ones to use this.
 
 Presumably, KMail users should also be able to participate.
 
 And Thunderbird and Sylpheed...
 
 What's with this Mutt Users [only] stuff?
Hi Scott,
I use mutt and the poster (Cord) only mentioned that he knew of using
mutt and He (and I also) didn't know of the other ways to do
this. So, I know many folks here use Mutt as I do. So, I thought it
'safe' to only direct mutt users, as I didn't know if others could use
a similar method. I should have made it 'all users' as folks here know
stuff I dont. It was a moment where I did not think clearly and shot off
the mail with out engaging 'brain'. Mea Culpa.
Cheers,
Kev
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Re: MUTT users PLEASE read [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: lists.d.o Spam (was: Marking BTS spam)]

2006-02-25 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 15:08:17 -0600
Jacob S [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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 On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 11:38:00 -0500
 Kevin Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Hi spam-killers,
  Here is a new test system to improve spam reporting in Debian.
  It seems mutt users will be the primary ones to use this.
  Cheers,
  Kev
 
 Sylpheed users are also on the list of people with a client that can do
 this.
 
 Jacob

Do you mean Message-Redirect ?

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Re: MUTT users PLEASE read [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: lists.d.o Spam (was: Marking BTS spam)]

2006-02-25 Thread Jacob S
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On Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:40:04 +0200
Andrei Popescu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 15:08:17 -0600
 Jacob S [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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  On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 11:38:00 -0500
  Kevin Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   Hi spam-killers,
   Here is a new test system to improve spam reporting in Debian.
   It seems mutt users will be the primary ones to use this.
   Cheers,
   Kev
  
  Sylpheed users are also on the list of people with a client that
  can do this.
  
  Jacob
 
 Do you mean Message-Redirect ?

Yes. Works for me.

Jacob
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Re: MUTT users PLEASE read [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: lists.d.o Spam (was: Marking BTS spam)]

2006-02-25 Thread Scott

Alex Nordstrom spake thusly on 02/24/2006 10:06 AM:

Saturday, 25 February 2006 00:38, Kevin Mark wrote:

Here is a new test system to improve spam reporting in Debian.
It seems mutt users will be the primary ones to use this.


Presumably, KMail users should also be able to participate.


And Thunderbird and Sylpheed...

What's with this Mutt Users [only] stuff?

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Re: MUTT users PLEASE read [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: lists.d.o Spam (was: Marking BTS spam)]

2006-02-25 Thread Scott

John Halton spake thusly on 02/24/2006 09:51 AM:

On 2/24/06, Kevin Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

[1] Bounce as in mutt b. I don't know if and how this can be done in
thunderbird


Apparently the following extension allows bouncing using Thunderbird -
http://mailredirect.mozdev.org/

Haven't looked into it any further though so don't know if it will
work in all circumstances or for this particular purpose.



I've been using that extension for quite a while.  I don't see why it 
wouldn't work in this instance.


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MUTT users PLEASE read [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: lists.d.o Spam (was: Marking BTS spam)]

2006-02-24 Thread Kevin Mark
Hi spam-killers,
Here is a new test system to improve spam reporting in Debian.
It seems mutt users will be the primary ones to use this.
Cheers,
Kev

- Forwarded message from Cord Beermann [EMAIL PROTECTED] -
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 07:03:31 -0600
To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org

Hallo! Du (Cord Beermann) hast geschrieben:

The idea of having a reporting address is good, i'll will announce one
in the next days and then lets see what happens.

ok, here it is: (alpha release, lets see what happens and if it is
useful.)

If you get spam via our lists, BOUNCE[1] it to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

* Incomplete mails[2] will be discarded,
* mis-use (report of non-spam, mass-reporting of one spam, automatic
   forwarding based on some automatism (scores of Anti-Spamtools or
   something)) will be blacklisted.

The reported mails will be used to enhance our Spamassassin and
procmail-filters. The mails will be stored non-public.

[1] Bounce as in mutt b. I don't know if and how this can be done in
thunderbird, or M$ LookOut. If it possible someone may explain
it in a follow up. Forwarding is NOT ok at this time, those
mails will be discarded.

[2] I want complete mails. this means: ALL Headers and the body. If
your system adds its own headers, or overwrites our
Spamassassin-Headers it's ok, 

Cord
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Re: MUTT users PLEASE read [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: lists.d.o Spam (was: Marking BTS spam)]

2006-02-24 Thread John Halton
On 2/24/06, Kevin Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 [1] Bounce as in mutt b. I don't know if and how this can be done in
 thunderbird

Apparently the following extension allows bouncing using Thunderbird -
http://mailredirect.mozdev.org/

Haven't looked into it any further though so don't know if it will
work in all circumstances or for this particular purpose.



Re: MUTT users PLEASE read [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: lists.d.o Spam (was: Marking BTS spam)]

2006-02-24 Thread Alex Nordstrom
Saturday, 25 February 2006 00:38, Kevin Mark wrote:
 Here is a new test system to improve spam reporting in Debian.
 It seems mutt users will be the primary ones to use this.

Presumably, KMail users should also be able to participate.

 - Forwarded message from Cord Beermann [EMAIL PROTECTED] -
 If you get spam via our lists, BOUNCE[1] it to
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

The way to seemingly achieve the same effect in KMail 1.9.1 is to use 
Message-Forward-Redirect (shortcut: E). I believe older versions had 
the same feature under Message-Bounce (which seems to be supported by 
an obviously outdated section of the manual). I'm sure someone will 
point out if this feature does not meet the requirements of this 
application.

Now, as a question of policy, are the half-dozen daily unsubscribe 
messages from those too illiterate to comprehend a two-line instruction 
added in caps to every message on the list considered spam? They're 
certainly unsolicited (nobody wants 'em) bulk (they're bothering 
everyone on the list) e-mail. What about challenge-response junk, false 
bounces from misconfigured spamfilters, and out-of-the-office replies?

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Re: MUTT users PLEASE read [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: lists.d.o Spam (was: Marking BTS spam)]

2006-02-24 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Sat, 25 Feb 2006, Alex Nordstrom wrote:
 Now, as a question of policy, are the half-dozen daily unsubscribe 
 messages from those too illiterate to comprehend a two-line instruction 
 added in caps to every message on the list considered spam? They're 
 certainly unsolicited (nobody wants 'em) bulk (they're bothering 
 everyone on the list) e-mail. What about challenge-response junk, false 
 bounces from misconfigured spamfilters, and out-of-the-office replies?

All of those are SPAM, if you go by the It is utterly useless crap *AND*
it is off-topic *AND* it was generated by layer 8 malfunction or by viruses
or by autoresponders *AND* it did not spawn a thread.

After all, if people started replying to a SPAM and it made a thread out of
it, no matter how off-topic for the list that thread is, the entire thing
(spam included) it is probably best left alone in the archives.

PS: layer 8: refer to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSI_model, Humor.

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Re: MUTT users PLEASE read [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: lists.d.o Spam (was: Marking BTS spam)]

2006-02-24 Thread Gregory Seidman
On Fri, Feb 24, 2006 at 11:38:00AM -0500, Kevin Mark wrote:
} Hi spam-killers,
} Here is a new test system to improve spam reporting in Debian.
} It seems mutt users will be the primary ones to use this.

Sure, no problem. Now, given that I archive my spam (yes, spamassassin is
trained on everything that has come in, but what if I want to change to
some other system that needs training later? disk space is cheap...),
should I go through it and find all the spam that passed through
debian-user and bounce it? I can. It's easy. I just have to do it a little
carefully so that my ISP doesn't think *I'm* sending spam.

} Cheers,
} Kev
--Greg

} - Forwarded message from Cord Beermann [EMAIL PROTECTED] -
} Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 07:03:31 -0600
} To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org
} 
} Hallo! Du (Cord Beermann) hast geschrieben:
} 
} The idea of having a reporting address is good, i'll will announce one
} in the next days and then lets see what happens.
} 
} ok, here it is: (alpha release, lets see what happens and if it is
} useful.)
} 
} If you get spam via our lists, BOUNCE[1] it to
} [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
} 
} * Incomplete mails[2] will be discarded,
} * mis-use (report of non-spam, mass-reporting of one spam, automatic
}forwarding based on some automatism (scores of Anti-Spamtools or
}something)) will be blacklisted.
} 
} The reported mails will be used to enhance our Spamassassin and
} procmail-filters. The mails will be stored non-public.
} 
} [1] Bounce as in mutt b. I don't know if and how this can be done in
}   thunderbird, or M$ LookOut. If it possible someone may explain
}   it in a follow up. Forwarding is NOT ok at this time, those
}   mails will be discarded.
} 
} [2] I want complete mails. this means: ALL Headers and the body. If
}   your system adds its own headers, or overwrites our
}   Spamassassin-Headers it's ok, 
} 
} Cord
} -- 
} http://lists.debian.org
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Re: MUTT users PLEASE read [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: lists.d.o Spam (was: Marking BTS spam)]

2006-02-24 Thread Jacob S
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On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 11:38:00 -0500
Kevin Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi spam-killers,
 Here is a new test system to improve spam reporting in Debian.
 It seems mutt users will be the primary ones to use this.
 Cheers,
 Kev

Sylpheed users are also on the list of people with a client that can do
this.

Jacob
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Re: MUTT users PLEASE read [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: lists.d.o Spam (was: Marking BTS spam)]

2006-02-24 Thread Cybe R. Wizard
On Sat, 25 Feb 2006 01:06:27 +0800
Alex Nordstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Now, as a question of policy, are the half-dozen daily unsubscribe 
 messages from those too illiterate to comprehend a two-line
 instruction added in caps to every message on the list considered
 spam? They're certainly unsolicited (nobody wants 'em) bulk (they're
 bothering everyone on the list) e-mail. What about challenge-response
 junk, false bounces from misconfigured spamfilters, and
 out-of-the-office replies?
 
(copying the .sig and everything below it back in)
 -- 
 Alex Nordstrom
 http://lx.n3.net/
 Please do not CC me in followups; I am subscribed to debian-user.
 
 [application/pgp-signature (189 bytes)]

Interestingly, there is no two-line instruction on your mail.
I've noticed the same for some other people, too, but haven't chased it
down.

Cybe R. Wizard
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Winduhs


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Re: MUTT users PLEASE read [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: lists.d.o Spam (was: Marking BTS spam)]

2006-02-24 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Fri, 24 Feb 2006, Cybe R. Wizard wrote:
 Interestingly, there is no two-line instruction on your mail.
 I've noticed the same for some other people, too, but haven't chased it
 down.

Hint: it is there, your client isn't showing it, and it is related to gpg
support.

Mutt doesn't show it (by default? I don't know if this can be changed).

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  them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond
  where the shadows lie. -- The Silicon Valley Tarot
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