Re: Make it impossible for websites to style forms in Debian Blizzardhawk
Chris Bannister a écrit : On Tue, Jan 06, 2009 at 11:54:06AM +, thveillon.debian wrote: If you're tired of hacking around css you can have a look at the Stylish extension : https://addons.mozilla.org/fr/firefox/addon/2108 There is also the web developers extension. It might be 60, but not sure. Yes, https://addons.mozilla.org/fr/firefox/addon/60 and greasemonkey can do neat things too, with a lot of ready made scripts available. (but it can also be a security hole...) https://addons.mozilla.org/fr/firefox/addon/748 Tom -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Make it impossible for websites to style forms in Debian Blizzardhawk
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 thveillon.debian wrote: Chris Bannister a écrit : On Tue, Jan 06, 2009 at 11:54:06AM +, thveillon.debian wrote: If you're tired of hacking around css you can have a look at the Stylish extension : https://addons.mozilla.org/fr/firefox/addon/2108 There is also the web developers extension. It might be 60, but not sure. Yes, https://addons.mozilla.org/fr/firefox/addon/60 No need to. It's packaged in debian lenny (it was called firefox-webdeveloper in etch, IIRC): $ aptitude show iceweasel-webdeveloper Unable to find an archive stable for the package iceweasel-webdeveloper Package: iceweasel-webdeveloper State: installed Automatically installed: no Version: 1.1.6-3 Priority: optional Section: devel Maintainer: Luca Falavigna dktrkr...@ubuntu.com Uncompressed Size: 1233k Depends: iceweasel (= 1.0), iceweasel ( 3.1) Conflicts: firefox-webdeveloper ( 1.1.6-3) Replaces: firefox-webdeveloper Description: web developer extension for the Iceweasel web browser The Web Developer extension adds a toolbar to Iceweasel with numerous features aimed at web developers. There are buttons to disable various browser features (Java, JavaScript, images), to view, edit, and disable stylesheets, to manipulate web forms, to view the topography of a page, to display tag details, to view the headers of a request, to clear the cache, cookies, and history, to view comments, to zoom, to outline selected classes of tags, to resize the browser to match a target resolution, and more. There are also buttons for easy access to the page's source, to many web validation services, and to important web standards documents. Homepage: http://chrispederick.com/work/web-developer/ Tags: implemented-in::ecmascript, role::plugin, suite::mozilla Cheers, Johannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAklnS9EACgkQC1NzPRl9qEUr4QCaAxn2nsQ4J4wcY7p9wdLcCakH MMoAniB6CHZ8geiI+VVYLqqmfp2ONvFn =DpZA -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Make it impossible for websites to style forms in Debian Blizzardhawk
Johannes Wiedersich a écrit : thveillon.debian wrote: Chris Bannister a écrit : On Tue, Jan 06, 2009 at 11:54:06AM +, thveillon.debian wrote: If you're tired of hacking around css you can have a look at the Stylish extension : https://addons.mozilla.org/fr/firefox/addon/2108 There is also the web developers extension. It might be 60, but not sure. Yes, https://addons.mozilla.org/fr/firefox/addon/60 No need to. It's packaged in debian lenny (it was called firefox-webdeveloper in etch, IIRC): $ aptitude show iceweasel-webdeveloper Unable to find an archive stable for the package iceweasel-webdeveloper Package: iceweasel-webdeveloper [snip] Cheers, Johannes You're right, and greasemonkey too : aptitude search greasemonkey p iceweasel-greasemonkey - iceweasel extension that enables customization of webpages... I'm so used to digging for extensions on mozilla.com that I missed it :-( Shame on me ! Tom -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Make it impossible for websites to style forms in Debian Blizzardhawk
Sorry for the late reply,
Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso wrote :
Thanks for your response, Tom.
2009/1/6 thveillon.debian thveillon.deb...@googlemail.com:
I happen to share your taste for dark themes, and I solved some of my
issues with SandDonkey in /usr/share/xulrunner-1.9/res/forms.css by
basically hunting for
background-color: -moz-Field;
color: -moz-FieldText;
in the input, text area and select fields
and replacing it with the desired values, like
background-color: #ff; //-moz-Field;
color: #00; //-moz-FieldText;
So I do need to modify system files to accomplish this? It's not too
bad to do so, but that means I'll have to be careful when the next
update of Mozilla Seacrab comes along, because then I'll have to make
sure that apt doesn't overwrite my modifications.
That's certainly not an ideal situation, and clearly not the kind of
fuss I would expect for just happening to like dark themes... But I
don't know any other trick outside of this one for the forms problem.
Also, this specifies a colour, but do you know if it's possible to
have a setting where they inherit the Gnome theme?
Well, it's certainly possible, but outsourcing the color scheme in a
Gnome theme somewhere in the user files (I'm running KDE) isn't
necessary simpler than looking at the colors in the Gnome theme, then
using them in the forms.css xulrunner file. As I said my css kung-fu is
pretty lame...
I'm thinking I should probably ask my question in a more CSS-specific,
Mozilla-specific location. I'll hunt around for one.
You would most probably have better luck there, but if they (mozilla)
didn't notice the problem already despite the enormous number of mailing
lists and forum posts about it, maybe they don't know a good way to fix
it...
Thanks again,
- Jordi G. H.
While we're at it, here are the two other changes I usually make, this
time in user-land :
in ~/.mozilla/firefox/$(profile_number).default/chrome/userChrome
.css
this line permits to control the color of iceweasel's submenus :
menupopup menu, popup, menuitem { color: red !important; }
Here the chosen color is red...
In the same location but file userContent.css I usually put after
whatever stuff is already there (this is compilation and variation from
solutions floating around the web) :
input {
border: 2px inset white;
background-color: white;
color: black;
-moz-appearance: none !important;
}
textarea {
border: 2px inset white;
background-color: white;
color: black;
-moz-appearance: none !important;
}
select {
border: 2px inset white;
background-color: white;
color: black;
-moz-appearance: none !important;
}
input[type=radio],
input[type=checkbox] {
border: 2px inset white ! important;
background-color: white ! important;
color: ThreeDFace ! important;
-moz-appearance: none !important;
}
*|*::-moz-radio {
background-color: white;
-moz-appearance: none !important;
}
button,
input[type=reset],
input[type=button],
input[type=submit] {
border: 2px outset white;
background-color: #ee;
color: black;
-moz-appearance: none !important;
}
body {
background-color: white;
color: black;
display: block;
margin: 8px;
-moz-appearance: none !important;
}
This alone helps a great deal, it's the only way I found to get all the
buttons to display correctly with the text on it on many linux forums,
and some banks websites, and a few other things that just make web
navigation a pain...
You can also find links (not really, but in the body off the text you'll
find urls to the files) to some good css configuration files templates
on this blog entry : http://www.gomellow.com/?p=40
That's a lot of work for something that should just be couple of tick
boxes dark gtk theme and dark firefox theme in Firefox settings, but
it's the only way I've found so far.
Tom
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Re: Make it impossible for websites to style forms in Debian Blizzardhawk
On Tue, Jan 06, 2009 at 11:54:06AM +, thveillon.debian wrote: If you're tired of hacking around css you can have a look at the Stylish extension : https://addons.mozilla.org/fr/firefox/addon/2108 There is also the web developers extension. It might be 60, but not sure. -- Chris. == I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. -- Stephen F Roberts -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Make it impossible for websites to style forms in Debian Blizzardhawk
Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso wrote : Blizzardhawk, Fireweasel, Icewolf, whatever... Anyways, the issue is that I modified my GTK+ theme because I like dark themes, and on some websites, all the form elements (buttons, text boxes, radio buttons, checkmarks), look lovely: http://sums.math.mcgill.ca/~jordi/piccies/exhibit-a.png Yeah, they clash with the rest of the website design a little, but whatever. I like it that way. The problem is that in this modern web of ours, it's a favourite fad to use all these fancy colours all over the place and style form elements in ways that may look broken and unreadable because they clash with our native theme (and since nobody uses light-on-dark themes, it's ok to assume that we can use a light-coloured background or dark-coloured text when we style our forms, right?): http://sums.math.mcgill.ca/~jordi/piccies/exhibit-b.png Basically, I'd like to make it impossible for websites to use colours for forms at all, *but only forms*. Of course I can tell Mozilla Webarachnid to not use any colours from the webpage at all, but that's a bit extreme and monochromatic: http://sums.math.mcgill.ca/~jordi/piccies/exhibit-c.png I know that I can probably accomplish what I want by modifying some CSS, but there are is so many CSS in various locations that I don't know how to actually do it... perhaps with a Stylish theme, or with userChrome.css or modify /usr/share/xulrunner-1.9/res/forms.css, or what? What I want is for all forms elements to use my Gnome theme, regardless of what the website author thinks the form element should look like. For added bonus, I'd like to accomplish this without the need of root privileges. Is this possible? Thanks in advance, - Jordi G. H. Hi, Disclaimer: I am no css expert, not even padawan... I happen to share your taste for dark themes, and I solved some of my issues with SandDonkey in /usr/share/xulrunner-1.9/res/forms.css by basically hunting for background-color: -moz-Field; color: -moz-FieldText; in the input, text area and select fields and replacing it with the desired values, like background-color: #ff; //-moz-Field; color: #00; //-moz-FieldText; (just an example, this won't necessary fit your theme). If you're tired of hacking around css you can have a look at the Stylish extension : https://addons.mozilla.org/fr/firefox/addon/2108 and the customizable templates themes and styles that goes with on userstyles.org : http://userstyles.org/styles;site http://userstyles.org/styles;app Hope it helps, Tom -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Make it impossible for websites to style forms in Debian Blizzardhawk
Hi Jordi, Am 2009-01-06 02:07:56, schrieb Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso: Blizzardhawk, Fireweasel, Icewolf, whatever... ...Iceape and Mozilla Anyways, the issue is that I modified my GTK+ theme because I like dark themes, and on some websites, all the form elements (buttons, text boxes, radio buttons, checkmarks), look lovely: http://sums.math.mcgill.ca/~jordi/piccies/exhibit-a.png Whoops... I was not aware, that I can modify the look of a Website by modifying a GTK+ theme... Hey, this is a very interesting issue for my Intranet. Please, can you tell me, where I can get more infos how to do this? Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator 24V Electronic Engineer Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # http://www.tamay-dogan.net/ http://www.can4linux.org/ Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 +49/177/935194750, rue de Soultz MSN LinuxMichi +33/6/61925193 67100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
Re: Make it impossible for websites to style forms in Debian Blizzardhawk
Michelle Konzack: Am 2009-01-06 02:07:56, schrieb Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso: http://sums.math.mcgill.ca/~jordi/piccies/exhibit-a.png Whoops... I was not aware, that I can modify the look of a Website by modifying a GTK+ theme... This is standard behaviour. As long as form elements have no explicit CSS applied to them, most browsers use platform-native widgets to display them. J. -- After the millenium I will shoot to kill. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Make it impossible for websites to style forms in Debian Blizzardhawk
Thanks for your response, Tom. 2009/1/6 thveillon.debian thveillon.deb...@googlemail.com: I happen to share your taste for dark themes, and I solved some of my issues with SandDonkey in /usr/share/xulrunner-1.9/res/forms.css by basically hunting for background-color: -moz-Field; color: -moz-FieldText; in the input, text area and select fields and replacing it with the desired values, like background-color: #ff; //-moz-Field; color: #00; //-moz-FieldText; So I do need to modify system files to accomplish this? It's not too bad to do so, but that means I'll have to be careful when the next update of Mozilla Seacrab comes along, because then I'll have to make sure that apt doesn't overwrite my modifications. Also, this specifies a colour, but do you know if it's possible to have a setting where they inherit the Gnome theme? If you're tired of hacking around css you can have a look at the Stylish extension : https://addons.mozilla.org/fr/firefox/addon/2108 and the customizable templates themes and styles that goes with on userstyles.org : http://userstyles.org/styles;site http://userstyles.org/styles;app Yeah. I looked at those, but they don't do exactly what I want (they basically impose their own theme, one that happens to be light-on-dark, but doesn't match my Gnome theme). I'm thinking I should probably ask my question in a more CSS-specific, Mozilla-specific location. I'll hunt around for one. Thanks again, - Jordi G. H. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Make it impossible for websites to style forms in Debian Blizzardhawk
Blizzardhawk, Fireweasel, Icewolf, whatever... Anyways, the issue is that I modified my GTK+ theme because I like dark themes, and on some websites, all the form elements (buttons, text boxes, radio buttons, checkmarks), look lovely: http://sums.math.mcgill.ca/~jordi/piccies/exhibit-a.png Yeah, they clash with the rest of the website design a little, but whatever. I like it that way. The problem is that in this modern web of ours, it's a favourite fad to use all these fancy colours all over the place and style form elements in ways that may look broken and unreadable because they clash with our native theme (and since nobody uses light-on-dark themes, it's ok to assume that we can use a light-coloured background or dark-coloured text when we style our forms, right?): http://sums.math.mcgill.ca/~jordi/piccies/exhibit-b.png Basically, I'd like to make it impossible for websites to use colours for forms at all, *but only forms*. Of course I can tell Mozilla Webarachnid to not use any colours from the webpage at all, but that's a bit extreme and monochromatic: http://sums.math.mcgill.ca/~jordi/piccies/exhibit-c.png I know that I can probably accomplish what I want by modifying some CSS, but there are is so many CSS in various locations that I don't know how to actually do it... perhaps with a Stylish theme, or with userChrome.css or modify /usr/share/xulrunner-1.9/res/forms.css, or what? What I want is for all forms elements to use my Gnome theme, regardless of what the website author thinks the form element should look like. For added bonus, I'd like to accomplish this without the need of root privileges. Is this possible? Thanks in advance, - Jordi G. H. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
