Re: Minimal configuration for a laptop
2015/01/26 4:28 "Bob Holtzman": > > On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 02:09:49PM +, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > On Sunday 25 January 2015 13:50:32 Chris Bannister wrote: > > > On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 11:03:18PM +0200, Selim T. Erdoğan wrote: > > > > Two features that I looked for in my Thinkpad were that the screen is > > > > matte (not shiny/glossy), and opens up to 180 degrees. I like to lay it > > > > upside down on the edge of the desk, with the screen sticking out, and > > > > I lie on the floor underneath it, with a usb keyboard on my belly. :) > > > > > > That sounds like an esoteric requirement which I'm guessing wouldn't > > > interest the average buyer. > > > > I should have thought that a matte screen would interest quite a few people. > > I think he's talking about laying on the floor. Of interest only after a > hard night's partying. or, perhaps, to some who are under doctor's orders not to spend long periods of time sitting, etc. -- Joel Rees Computer memory is just fancy paper, CPUs just fancy pens. All is a stream of text flowing from the past into the future.
Re: Minimal configuration for a laptop
On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 02:09:49PM +, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Sunday 25 January 2015 13:50:32 Chris Bannister wrote: On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 11:03:18PM +0200, Selim T. Erdoğan wrote: Two features that I looked for in my Thinkpad were that the screen is matte (not shiny/glossy), and opens up to 180 degrees. I like to lay it upside down on the edge of the desk, with the screen sticking out, and I lie on the floor underneath it, with a usb keyboard on my belly. :) That sounds like an esoteric requirement which I'm guessing wouldn't interest the average buyer. I should have thought that a matte screen would interest quite a few people. I think he's talking about laying on the floor. Of interest only after a hard night's partying. -- Bob Holtzman Giant intergalactic brain-sucking hyperbacteria came to Earth to rape our women and create a race of mindless zombies. Look! It's working! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150125192704.ga17...@cox.net
Re: Minimal configuration for a laptop
On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 11:03:18PM +0200, Selim T. Erdoğan wrote: Two features that I looked for in my Thinkpad were that the screen is matte (not shiny/glossy), and opens up to 180 degrees. I like to lay it upside down on the edge of the desk, with the screen sticking out, and I lie on the floor underneath it, with a usb keyboard on my belly. :) That sounds like an esoteric requirement which I'm guessing wouldn't interest the average buyer. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150125135032.GE25166@tal
Re: Minimal configuration for a laptop
On Sunday 25 January 2015 13:50:32 Chris Bannister wrote: On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 11:03:18PM +0200, Selim T. Erdoğan wrote: Two features that I looked for in my Thinkpad were that the screen is matte (not shiny/glossy), and opens up to 180 degrees. I like to lay it upside down on the edge of the desk, with the screen sticking out, and I lie on the floor underneath it, with a usb keyboard on my belly. :) That sounds like an esoteric requirement which I'm guessing wouldn't interest the average buyer. I should have thought that a matte screen would interest quite a few people. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201501251409.49711.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Minimal configuration for a laptop
On Sat, 24 Jan 2015, Selim T. Erdoğan wrote: On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 05:54:17PM -0800, Patrick Bartek wrote: On Fri, 23 Jan 2015, Selim T. Erdoğan wrote: I also got a second-hand Thinkpad last month, a T400, and I love it too. I think it's from 2009 or 2010. Mine has an Intel core 2 duo CPU (P8400 @ 2.26GHz) and 4GB ram, but a slightly slower CPU and 2GB of ram would also be fine for web browsing and office stuff. However, I don't know how much memory freemind or other electronic design software uses, so I would recommend getting 4GB if you can. (The T400 is upgradable to 8GB. You might want to check the maximum memory capacity on laptops you're considering.) (BTW, for office and the web, even 1GB might work but it may be a little tight. Myolder laptop had 1GB ram and it didn't run out of memory often --- only when I had very many tabs open --- but the single-core Amd athlon xp 2200 @ 1.6GHz was slow. It was from 2004.) I agree with your comments below, about the desktop environment affecting how much ram is needed. I should have mentioned that what I wrote above was based on using MATE. I wasn't finding fault with your recommendations, just clarifying based on my experiences. Better to have more info than you need than not enough. ;-) While I agree that MATE is a lighter weight environment than the current GNOME, and probably GNOME2, too, it still is heavier than XFCE, LXDE or a window manager. Really, I've discovered through fooling around with TinyX, X is a RAM hog, too, reardless of GUI. But what are you going to do? TinyX really isn't suitable as a general X server. Even recompiling X doesn't help much. It's just the nature of the beast. Fortunately, RAM is cheap. How much RAM is sufficient depends more on the desktop GUI. For GNOME and KDE, I recommend 4GB at least. The system I'm using now has gone through multiple upgrades (hardware and OSes) since I built it in 2007 with a 2.0GHZ 64-bit single-core AMD CPU 2 GB RAM running Fedora 6, first 32-bit, then 64, and GNOME2. Even with just a browser, file manager, and a few applets running, it could be sluggish at times, particularly when accessing the menus. Upgrading to 4GB RAM solved all that. However, if using XFCE or LXDE or just a window manager, 1 or 2 GB RAM would be fine. B -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150124102735.42086...@debian7.boseck208.net
Re: Minimal configuration for a laptop
On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 05:54:17PM -0800, Patrick Bartek wrote: On Fri, 23 Jan 2015, Selim T. Erdoğan wrote: I also got a second-hand Thinkpad last month, a T400, and I love it too. I think it's from 2009 or 2010. Mine has an Intel core 2 duo CPU (P8400 @ 2.26GHz) and 4GB ram, but a slightly slower CPU and 2GB of ram would also be fine for web browsing and office stuff. However, I don't know how much memory freemind or other electronic design software uses, so I would recommend getting 4GB if you can. (The T400 is upgradable to 8GB. You might want to check the maximum memory capacity on laptops you're considering.) (BTW, for office and the web, even 1GB might work but it may be a little tight. Myolder laptop had 1GB ram and it didn't run out of memory often --- only when I had very many tabs open --- but the single-core Amd athlon xp 2200 @ 1.6GHz was slow. It was from 2004.) I agree with your comments below, about the desktop environment affecting how much ram is needed. I should have mentioned that what I wrote above was based on using MATE. How much RAM is sufficient depends more on the desktop GUI. For GNOME and KDE, I recommend 4GB at least. The system I'm using now has gone through multiple upgrades (hardware and OSes) since I built it in 2007 with a 2.0GHZ 64-bit single-core AMD CPU 2 GB RAM running Fedora 6, first 32-bit, then 64, and GNOME2. Even with just a browser, file manager, and a few applets running, it could be sluggish at times, particularly when accessing the menus. Upgrading to 4GB RAM solved all that. However, if using XFCE or LXDE or just a window manager, 1 or 2 GB RAM would be fine. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150124090559.GA6271@side
Re: Minimal configuration for a laptop
On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 12:19:02AM -0500, Cindy-Sue Causey wrote: On 1/22/15, Jarle Aase j...@jgaa.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 If you look for an older laptop, Lenovo ThinkPad may be a good choise. The 12 models are relatively portable, and the build quality is fabulous. I've had my old X60T for about 9 years now, and it's still in daily use. I have changed the disk a few times, the fan once and the battery twice. Unfortunately, Lenovo does not support Linux as an option for the ThinkPad series. But all models I have came across works well with Debian and other distributions. (Watch out for the cheaper ThinkPade Edge series - I have some really bad experiences with some of those). Mine's Lenovo ThinkPad T61 secondhand. 15 (give or take). Have had it about a year and a half. I LOVE IT.. I also got a second-hand Thinkpad last month, a T400, and I love it too. I think it's from 2009 or 2010. Mine has an Intel core 2 duo CPU (P8400 @ 2.26GHz) and 4GB ram, but a slightly slower CPU and 2GB of ram would also be fine for web browsing and office stuff. However, I don't know how much memory freemind or other electronic design software uses, so I would recommend getting 4GB if you can. (The T400 is upgradable to 8GB. You might want to check the maximum memory capacity on laptops you're considering.) (BTW, for office and the web, even 1GB might work but it may be a little tight. Myolder laptop had 1GB ram and it didn't run out of memory often --- only when I had very many tabs open --- but the single-core Amd athlon xp 2200 @ 1.6GHz was slow. It was from 2004.) The hdd that came with the T400 seemed pretty fast (7200rpm) but I had an ssd in another laptop (not the one from 2004) running Debian that I just stuck into this and it worked. If you can get an ssd, I really recommend it because they're really really fast. My Kingston ssd with 120GB has worked fine for the past two-and-a-half years. Two features that I looked for in my Thinkpad were that the screen is matte (not shiny/glossy), and opens up to 180 degrees. I like to lay it upside down on the edge of the desk, with the screen sticking out, and I lie on the floor underneath it, with a usb keyboard on my belly. :) (My usb keyboard is also a thinkpad keyboard so it has a trackpoint and I don't need a mouse.) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150123210318.GA2269@side
Re: Minimal configuration for a laptop
On Fri, 23 Jan 2015, Selim T. Erdoğan wrote: On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 12:19:02AM -0500, Cindy-Sue Causey wrote: On 1/22/15, Jarle Aase j...@jgaa.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 If you look for an older laptop, Lenovo ThinkPad may be a good choise. The 12 models are relatively portable, and the build quality is fabulous. I've had my old X60T for about 9 years now, and it's still in daily use. I have changed the disk a few times, the fan once and the battery twice. Unfortunately, Lenovo does not support Linux as an option for the ThinkPad series. But all models I have came across works well with Debian and other distributions. (Watch out for the cheaper ThinkPade Edge series - I have some really bad experiences with some of those). Mine's Lenovo ThinkPad T61 secondhand. 15 (give or take). Have had it about a year and a half. I LOVE IT.. I also got a second-hand Thinkpad last month, a T400, and I love it too. I think it's from 2009 or 2010. Mine has an Intel core 2 duo CPU (P8400 @ 2.26GHz) and 4GB ram, but a slightly slower CPU and 2GB of ram would also be fine for web browsing and office stuff. However, I don't know how much memory freemind or other electronic design software uses, so I would recommend getting 4GB if you can. (The T400 is upgradable to 8GB. You might want to check the maximum memory capacity on laptops you're considering.) (BTW, for office and the web, even 1GB might work but it may be a little tight. Myolder laptop had 1GB ram and it didn't run out of memory often --- only when I had very many tabs open --- but the single-core Amd athlon xp 2200 @ 1.6GHz was slow. It was from 2004.) How much RAM is sufficient depends more on the desktop GUI. For GNOME and KDE, I recommend 4GB at least. The system I'm using now has gone through multiple upgrades (hardware and OSes) since I built it in 2007 with a 2.0GHZ 64-bit single-core AMD CPU 2 GB RAM running Fedora 6, first 32-bit, then 64, and GNOME2. Even with just a browser, file manager, and a few applets running, it could be sluggish at times, particularly when accessing the menus. Upgrading to 4GB RAM solved all that. However, if using XFCE or LXDE or just a window manager, 1 or 2 GB RAM would be fine. B -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150123175417.548e8...@debian7.boseck208.net
Re: Minimal configuration for a laptop
On 01/22/2015 09:22 PM, Alex PADOLY wrote: - OpenOffice At least 1GB RAM and medium speed HDD (not 5400rpm but ) - Navigation(browsing) intenet, files transfert ftp, Depends on the website you browse: some have heavy Javascripts... - Use of vlc for listen mp3 files and to watch occasionally a movies 1GB RAM - Electronic use of simulation softwares (geda, kicad, Xcircuit) No idea - Use freemind No idea Finally Do you know models of professionnal laptop computer of 2007, 2008,2009 and 2010 year. I kook for a laptop computer of which the sale price began from 2000 Euros. Something like this http://www.materiel.net/ordinateur-portable/msi-cr61-2m-287xfr-104012.html You'll have full satisfaction if you replace the HDD with a SSD. My wife has an Atom netbook with 2GB RAM where I replaced the HDD with an SSD but man... it just rocks.
Re: Minimal configuration for a laptop
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Alex, If you look for an older laptop, Lenovo ThinkPad may be a good choise. The 12 models are relatively portable, and the build quality is fabulous. I've had my old X60T for about 9 years now, and it's still in daily use. I have changed the disk a few times, the fan once and the battery twice. Unfortunately, Lenovo does not support Linux as an option for the ThinkPad series. But all models I have came across works well with Debian and other distributions. (Watch out for the cheaper ThinkPade Edge series - I have some really bad experiences with some of those). Jarle On 01/22/2015 08:22 PM, Alex PADOLY wrote: Good evening to all, Which is according to you the configuration minimal to run the current distribution Debian ( stable version) on a laptop computer intended mainly for the following activities: - OpenOffice - Navigation(browsing) intenet, files transfert ftp, - Use of vlc for listen mp3 files and to watch occasionally a movies - Electronic use of simulation softwares (geda, kicad, Xcircuit) - Use freemind Finally Do you know models of professionnal laptop computer of 2007, 2008,2009 and 2010 year. I kook for a laptop computer of which the sale price began from 2000 Euros. Thank you very much! - -- Jarle Aase email: ja...@jgaa.com Author of Free Software.http://www.jgaa.com War FTP Daemon: http://www.warftp.org Other free software:http://products.jgaa.com NB: If you reply to this message, please include all relevant information from the conversation in your reply. Thanks. no need to argue - just kill'em all! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJUwUXvAAoJECdIPpCNC8tyW/QQAJtS1ftg+JgmGTnkEeSOXuaK PdSk9T5u4Xx8XHUWfrzaAQkNyPTUxgTg2AxVkctPVsKMRVLiTxnij2MW2ITFtZ48 l+cHXXM9o7aQqS4rkX0OJt5W3Xhp1catOj1eR/sJGoj3qMHckNnSkwucv4RASxcw CwGuUifzIWaf6jDCK7ier8LzvEU6ei2V3Sx+Lk46KQVHGJXKz7UsRkdZCAR6dQlx J65jgV8fP2hRgbmTCQJYZ/Jy5cZJKdjz90KQ/j65rMBRRpvjrGsgoKEm9Lf7gXSM l0xnRimkMPvfbLiGcplC/nWwHcnCsSQvi2Vu7HUNS0zrwOn8h7v+LXdVE0+2sXV/ z39Rp0ReqehHqamjAHL9/gtBpFhxstgoHoAtlxXud35yYFSIzx/bwz57x/tPCeTq MD0lw3/yYsDSv+jkHa+Vh1ySB5GF1bYuJcdxSxMmQzNRYEpu7DObFEeGH8sNTk2d MG9CD/eeoIkr1DBWCuVy5NJd6vJZD2Z00phICCezj9HC+U+nbOftWLiBpmTX1Kss QBo4k28Nx5qnnRq+awvgofxqOkMql5BT5bYKKjtK7JL4USlJoNvxo81QNv8EbFlO E4NSpD0LZcZlvY0MHYlYVL+Xlo/k0JRihl5CDBD2Za/qr7PcWK5E0hQuNtZAJsrN gmmfcalYJ3WmA+RMAXez =hfFf -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54c145ef.5070...@jgaa.com
Re: Minimal configuration for a laptop
On Thu, 22 Jan 2015, Alex PADOLY wrote: Good evening to all, Which is according to you the configuration minimal to run the current distribution Debian ( stable version) on a laptop computer intended mainly for the following activities: - OpenOffice - Navigation(browsing) intenet, files transfert ftp, - Use of vlc for listen mp3 files and to watch occasionally a movies - Electronic use of simulation softwares (geda, kicad, Xcircuit) - Use freemind Finally Do you know models of professionnal laptop computer of 2007, 2008,2009 and 2010 year. I kook for a laptop computer of which the sale price began from 2000 Euros. I put a stock install of Debian Wheezy (32-bit) LXDE desktop on a circa 2008 or 9 Asus EeePC 900 (1.0GHz Celeron M, 1 GB DDR2 RAM, 2 Flash Drives: the 4GB one for /; the 16GB for /home and swap). Only problem was I had to manually configure the system to Sleep when I closed the lid. Otherwise, everything else worked out-of-the-box. Runs great. Still in use. So, use the above as baseline for your purchase. Pretty minimal system. Actually, it initially had 512MB RAM. Everything worked, but not always smoothly. The system hit the swap sometimes, but not frequently, and not a lot. I upgraded it to 1GB and that evened everything out. Swap now rarely used. B -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150122185310.11ad8...@debian7.boseck208.net
Re: Minimal configuration for a laptop
On 1/22/15, Jarle Aase j...@jgaa.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 If you look for an older laptop, Lenovo ThinkPad may be a good choise. The 12 models are relatively portable, and the build quality is fabulous. I've had my old X60T for about 9 years now, and it's still in daily use. I have changed the disk a few times, the fan once and the battery twice. Unfortunately, Lenovo does not support Linux as an option for the ThinkPad series. But all models I have came across works well with Debian and other distributions. (Watch out for the cheaper ThinkPade Edge series - I have some really bad experiences with some of those). Mine's Lenovo ThinkPad T61 secondhand. 15 (give or take). Have had it about a year and a half. I LOVE IT.. Dogs sent it for a tumble again last night. Fairly soft landing but still. Dogs apparently shook loose some errant wild bird seed so some keys crunch when you click them, otherwise all else is well. It's happened a few times now, *oops*, but this ThinkPad AND hard drive sure keeps on ticking. :) ~90GB partition with personal files stored elsewhere, 2GB memory. Extremely minimal Debian. I debootstrapped Jessie then added Xfce, Xfce Goodies, Libreoffice, GIMP, Inkscape, Openshot, xine, and a *small* selection of various other *small* programs, mainly tool type programs as the need arises. Fan runs so little, I forget that it was a HUGE problem with a variety of other distros until this new setup. Pretty much only Openshot movie editor that gets the fan kicked on these days. LOVE IT.. :) FYI, there's also a Debian laptop list if you're interested in it in addition to Debian-User: https://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ Good luck.. :) Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with plastic sporks * -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cao1p-kdwefsddek+_jqnlrvj03whza2msmmgx1uhwqkhe6j...@mail.gmail.com
Minimal configuration for a laptop
Good evening to all, Which is according to you the configuration minimal to run the current distribution Debian ( stable version) on a laptop computer intended mainly for the following activities: - OpenOffice - Navigation(browsing) intenet, files transfert ftp, - Use of vlc for listen mp3 files and to watch occasionally a movies - Electronic use of simulation softwares (geda, kicad, Xcircuit) - Use freemind Finally Do you know models of professionnal laptop computer of 2007, 2008,2009 and 2010 year. I kook for a laptop computer of which the sale price began from 2000 Euros. Thank you very much!