Re: Need to confirm re 'fstab', before rebooting my Squeeze

2011-02-27 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Du, 27 feb 11, 10:49:28, Brian wrote:
> 
> The same thing came into my mind at the time but I moved on. Perhaps it
> has been fixed in a daily build. I don't like reporting as bugs
> something which I'm not sure about so I'll have a closer look at it
> today. Which package would I report the bug against?

I think the recommended way is to just run installation-report after the 
install.

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Re: Need to confirm re 'fstab', before rebooting my Squeeze

2011-02-27 Thread Brian
On Sun 27 Feb 2011 at 12:00:36 +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:

> If you used the mini.iso to install to a different device[1], then it 
> sounds like a bug. I can't think of any reason for the installer to 
> offer anything but the MBR of the device holding /boot as *default* for 
> installing grub.

The same thing came into my mind at the time but I moved on. Perhaps it
has been fixed in a daily build. I don't like reporting as bugs
something which I'm not sure about so I'll have a closer look at it
today. Which package would I report the bug against?
 
> [1] it's probably less known that the mini.iso can be used to install on 
> the same device used to boot the installer from, a handy feature if you 
> ask me.

Definitely. Combining that with the loopback option in GRUB2 can be
interesting.


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Re: Need to confirm re 'fstab', before rebooting my Squeeze

2011-02-27 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Du, 27 feb 11, 09:25:24, Brian wrote:
> On Sat 26 Feb 2011 at 20:19:50 -0500, PMA wrote:
> 
> > Well, I've rebooted and come out alive.  So the Squeeze installer's
> > suggested GRUB destination, which I happily accepted, must have
> > been /dev/sdb.  Lucky me.  For next time, thanks for this alert!
> 
> I may have alarmed you unduly and should have mentioned the behaviour I
> experienced was with the netboot mini.iso. 

If you used the mini.iso to install to a different device[1], then it 
sounds like a bug. I can't think of any reason for the installer to 
offer anything but the MBR of the device holding /boot as *default* for 
installing grub.

[1] it's probably less known that the mini.iso can be used to install on 
the same device used to boot the installer from, a handy feature if you 
ask me.

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Re: Need to confirm re 'fstab', before rebooting my Squeeze

2011-02-27 Thread Brian
On Sat 26 Feb 2011 at 20:19:50 -0500, PMA wrote:

> Well, I've rebooted and come out alive.  So the Squeeze installer's
> suggested GRUB destination, which I happily accepted, must have
> been /dev/sdb.  Lucky me.  For next time, thanks for this alert!

I may have alarmed you unduly and should have mentioned the behaviour I
experienced was with the netboot mini.iso. The netinst iso offered the
partitioned disk for GRUB installation. It's something to check,
however, rather than blindly accept.


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Re: Need to confirm re 'fstab', before rebooting my Squeeze

2011-02-26 Thread PMA

I have similar behaviour from a third disk, external USB,
that gets auto-mounted on /media.  Its partitions aren't
named, and their order is messed up, so I just umount
them all and call a little script that remounts them else-
where on orderly named directories.

Slicky Johnson wrote:

On Sat, 26 Feb 2011 23:21:19 +
Brian  wrote:


On Sat 26 Feb 2011 at 15:28:19 -0500, PMA wrote:


So my question: When I rebooting, can I safely assume
that, because fstab is using UUIDs and not "/dev/..."(s),
the system won't get confused?


One possible gotcha. When GRUB was installed where was it installed
to? If it's to /dev/sda you may have a little remedial work to do!
This caught me out a couple of times when I forgot to remove the USB
stick at that stage of the install.




I didn't run into that. The installer correctly identified the root
partition, MBR etc. I only was burned by the fact it listed /dev/sdb1
as a cdrom device in fstab, but /dev/sdb1 was basically behaving like
one. So when a thumb was plugged in after the install had completed, it
would fail to auto mount on my desktop as expected. Suppose a udev rule
was confused. Mounting the device to a mount point by hand worked fine.





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Re: Need to confirm re 'fstab', before rebooting my Squeeze

2011-02-26 Thread PMA

Well, I've rebooted and come out alive.  So the Squeeze installer's
suggested GRUB destination, which I happily accepted, must have
been /dev/sdb.  Lucky me.  For next time, thanks for this alert!

Brian wrote:

On Sat 26 Feb 2011 at 15:28:19 -0500, PMA wrote:


So my question: When I rebooting, can I safely assume
that, because fstab is using UUIDs and not "/dev/..."(s),
the system won't get confused?


One possible gotcha. When GRUB was installed where was it installed to?
If it's to /dev/sda you may have a little remedial work to do! This
caught me out a couple of times when I forgot to remove the USB stick at
that stage of the install.



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Re: Need to confirm re 'fstab', before rebooting my Squeeze

2011-02-26 Thread Slicky Johnson
On Sat, 26 Feb 2011 23:21:19 +
Brian  wrote:

> On Sat 26 Feb 2011 at 15:28:19 -0500, PMA wrote:
> 
> > So my question: When I rebooting, can I safely assume
> > that, because fstab is using UUIDs and not "/dev/..."(s),
> > the system won't get confused?
> 
> One possible gotcha. When GRUB was installed where was it installed
> to? If it's to /dev/sda you may have a little remedial work to do!
> This caught me out a couple of times when I forgot to remove the USB
> stick at that stage of the install.
> 
> 

I didn't run into that. The installer correctly identified the root
partition, MBR etc. I only was burned by the fact it listed /dev/sdb1
as a cdrom device in fstab, but /dev/sdb1 was basically behaving like
one. So when a thumb was plugged in after the install had completed, it
would fail to auto mount on my desktop as expected. Suppose a udev rule
was confused. Mounting the device to a mount point by hand worked fine. 


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Re: Need to confirm re 'fstab', before rebooting my Squeeze

2011-02-26 Thread Brian
On Sat 26 Feb 2011 at 15:28:19 -0500, PMA wrote:

> So my question: When I rebooting, can I safely assume
> that, because fstab is using UUIDs and not "/dev/..."(s),
> the system won't get confused?

One possible gotcha. When GRUB was installed where was it installed to?
If it's to /dev/sda you may have a little remedial work to do! This
caught me out a couple of times when I forgot to remove the USB stick at
that stage of the install.


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Re: Need to confirm re 'fstab', before rebooting my Squeeze

2011-02-26 Thread Slicky Johnson
On Sat, 26 Feb 2011 17:04:01 -0500
Slicky Johnson  wrote:
> 
> I had an entry listing /dev/sdb1 as... 
> 
> #/dev/sdb1   /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0   0
> 
> Which was a known bug.
> 
> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=597223
> 


I should have included that I commented the line out by hand to fix the
bug.



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Re: Need to confirm re 'fstab', before rebooting my Squeeze

2011-02-26 Thread Slicky Johnson
On Sat, 26 Feb 2011 15:28:19 -0500
PMA  wrote:

> Hi List.
> 
> I have installed Squeeze from scratch using a USB stick.
> The installer regarded that stick as "/dev/sda".   So the
> /etc/fstab that it installed lists my system disk (til now
> always "/dev/sda") as "/dev/sdb", and similarly my 2nd
> disk (til now "/dev/sdb") as "/dev/sdc".
> 
> If I now run 'mount' (with USB stick removed), it names
> these devices as I had originally -- system disk '/dev/sda',
> secondary '/dev/sdb'.
> 
> Meanwhile, /etc/fstab is specifying each device, not as
> either of those names, but as a mile-long UUID number.
> 
> So my question: When I rebooting, can I safely assume
> that, because fstab is using UUIDs and not "/dev/..."(s),
> the system won't get confused?
> 
> Thanks,
> Pete
> 
> 

I had an entry listing /dev/sdb1 as... 

#/dev/sdb1   /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0   0

Which was a known bug.

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=597223


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Re: Need to confirm re 'fstab', before rebooting my Squeeze

2011-02-26 Thread Liam O'Toole
On 2011-02-26, PMA  wrote:
> Hi List.
>
> I have installed Squeeze from scratch using a USB stick.
> The installer regarded that stick as "/dev/sda".   So the
> /etc/fstab that it installed lists my system disk (til now
> always "/dev/sda") as "/dev/sdb", and similarly my 2nd
> disk (til now "/dev/sdb") as "/dev/sdc".
>
> If I now run 'mount' (with USB stick removed), it names
> these devices as I had originally -- system disk '/dev/sda',
> secondary '/dev/sdb'.
>
> Meanwhile, /etc/fstab is specifying each device, not as
> either of those names, but as a mile-long UUID number.
>
> So my question: When I rebooting, can I safely assume
> that, because fstab is using UUIDs and not "/dev/..."(s),
> the system won't get confused?
>

The identification of partitions by UUIDs is normal is squeeze. The
output of the blkid command should allow you to satisfy yourself that
the mapping from UUIDs to partitions is correct.

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Need to confirm re 'fstab', before rebooting my Squeeze

2011-02-26 Thread PMA

Hi List.

I have installed Squeeze from scratch using a USB stick.
The installer regarded that stick as "/dev/sda".   So the
/etc/fstab that it installed lists my system disk (til now
always "/dev/sda") as "/dev/sdb", and similarly my 2nd
disk (til now "/dev/sdb") as "/dev/sdc".

If I now run 'mount' (with USB stick removed), it names
these devices as I had originally -- system disk '/dev/sda',
secondary '/dev/sdb'.

Meanwhile, /etc/fstab is specifying each device, not as
either of those names, but as a mile-long UUID number.

So my question: When I rebooting, can I safely assume
that, because fstab is using UUIDs and not "/dev/..."(s),
the system won't get confused?

Thanks,
Pete


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