New 64bit install. More problems.
1. /var/mail/usermail very large, containing hundreds of messages. Should only have 10-20. This file serves a dovecot imap server and messages have been read and deleted. What is going on here? Especially since the installer gives a very (too) small /var partition. (Looks as if /opt, /usr/local and possibly /var/mail may be moved to that oversized home partition and rbinded.) 2. No user can access KDE any more. Upgraded something that showed no error (used reportbug-ng to check since apt-llistbugs is broken) and now, no kdm login can access the dbus. Screen just blinks and returns to login. kdm.log cites the dbus problem in K*time*zones, kgreet, whatever. Newer kdm did not help. I will check the bug listings for them, however. Meanwhile, KDE unusable but command line is fine. 3. System no longer halts ... says it halted but I need to manually cause the power to cut off. Maybe related. Packages I suspected were removed but not at fault. I am beginning to think that the Debian installer is good if one simply uses it and leaves it be, the snapshot as presented. I am used to having an up-to-date Sid box but apparently cannot upgrade to this in an orderly manner. (For all the rants, I started out way back when with Knoppix and upgraded and upgraded with very few catastrophes!) Hope I am wrong about this, that fixed packages will be around tomorrow or soon. 4. Systemd is turning a lot of heads and postings. Yes, indeed, the bootup and shutdown are lightning quick!! No more starts and stops of the good old days. I do not understand how this indeed works but it apparently does. I hope :-)
Re: New 64bit install. More problems.
3. System no longer halts ... says it halted but I need to manually cause the power to cut off. Maybe related. Packages I suspected were removed but not at fault. The command halt has changed! It is not halt any more, but halt -p. This is according to the manual. The former simple command halt was a bug. That is now fixed. (However, I got into the same trap.) Best regards Hans -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1579115.vIoOcAQpf2@protheus2
Re: New 64bit install. More problems.
On Sun, 06 Jul 2014 21:54:49 +0300 d_ba...@012.net.il wrote: 1. /var/mail/usermail very large, containing hundreds of messages. Should only have 10-20. This file serves a dovecot imap server and messages have been read and deleted. What is going on here? Especially since the installer gives a very (too) small /var partition. (Looks as if /opt, /usr/local and possibly /var/mail may be moved to that oversized home partition and rbinded.) Looks to me like a failure of whatever is grabbing /var/mail/usermail and putting it in the Dovecot Maildir. Fetchmail? Also, check the permissions, ownership and extended attributes of /var/mail/usermail. Beyond this, just use generally accepted troubleshooting procedures. 2. No user can access KDE any more. Upgraded something that showed no error (used reportbug-ng to check since apt-llistbugs is broken) and now, no kdm login can access the dbus. Screen just blinks and returns to login. kdm.log cites the dbus problem in K*time*zones, kgreet, whatever. Newer kdm did not help. I will check the bug listings for them, however. Meanwhile, KDE unusable but command line is fine. Sounds like business as usual to me. KDE is not only crashy, slow, and resource consuming, but it's delicate. Because it's such an entangled monolith, it's difficult to troubleshoot. 3. System no longer halts ... says it halted but I need to manually cause the power to cut off. Maybe related. Packages I suspected were removed but not at fault. I've seen that a lot. Me, I just press the power button when it says it's halted. Supposedly that's one thing that systemd is going to fix. I am beginning to think that the Debian installer is good if one simply uses it and leaves it be, the snapshot as presented. I am used to having an up-to-date Sid box but apparently cannot upgrade to this in an orderly manner. (For all the rants, I started out way back when with Knoppix and upgraded and upgraded with very few catastrophes!) Hope I am wrong about this, that fixed packages will be around tomorrow or soon. I think it's a matter of sucky documentation, which is rampant. First, the makers of software do a lousy job of documentation. Second, everyone with half an opinion puts yet another contradictory fix or tip on the Internet, and if they test their fix or tip at all, they test it in only one situation. And, if I had my way, it would be a felony to use a pronoun in documentation. Redundancy is wonderful compared to confusion. And how bout those guys using a word or phrase that hasn't been defined in the documentation, and is known only to people already past the point of needing the documentation? Computers and Linux just keep getting more complicated, and documentation just keeps getting worse. I'm pretty sure that if we all had good documentation, we could modify our boxes to our hearts' content without undue mishaps. 4. Systemd is turning a lot of heads and postings. Yes, indeed, the bootup and shutdown are lightning quick!! No more starts and stops of the good old days. I do not understand how this indeed works but it apparently does. I hope :-) I hope too. SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140706151333.5c91f...@mydesq2.domain.cxm
Re: New 64bit install. More problems.
On 2014-07-06 20:54 +0200, d_ba...@012.net.il wrote: 2. No user can access KDE any more. Upgraded something that showed no error (used reportbug-ng to check since apt-llistbugs is broken) and now, no kdm login can access the dbus. Screen just blinks and returns to login. kdm.log cites the dbus problem in K*time*zones, kgreet, whatever. Newer kdm did not help. I will check the bug listings for them, however. Meanwhile, KDE unusable but command line is fine. This could be bug #746589[1]. Which display manager do you use, if any? 3. System no longer halts ... says it halted but I need to manually cause the power to cut off. Maybe related. Packages I suspected were removed but not at fault. Don't shutdown with the halt(8) command, it is not supposed to power off the machine, and the systemd maintainers consider it a bug[2] that the sysvinit implementation does it anyway. Use the poweroff command instead. Cheers, Sven 1. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=746589 2. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=746650 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/878uo6cn9u@turtle.gmx.de
