Re: New IBM sendmail replacement will be free and open source
> that is none other than Vmailer from Wietse Venema, which other than > having a truely scary name fit for a vampire, has something personal > against Dan Bernstein and Qmail. He's very active on BugTraq, and > seems to know what he's doing most of the time, but his attitude and > few errors I have seen him get caught in, pushed me away from trying > Vmailer. for what it's worth i've been watching wietse and djb have it out on bugtraq (and other places) for quite a couple years. in general i think wietse has shown immense self control and reasonableness under fairly extreme attack. i've avoided using qmail because i think djb is *such* an unpleasant person to deal with (note: i've never dealt with him personally just watched him deal with other people on lists etc) and he is fairly widely recognised for being a little "overly opinionated", though no one doubts he technical abilities. as best as i have been able to tell the story is this. djb and wietse both did a lot of the initial coding on qmail and then had a falling out due to differing opinions on how unix security should be implemented. djb has now taken it to be is life long mission to publicly fault wietse for any and everything that can be. i've seen him publicly slammed for being a jerk almost everytime by nearly everyone. i really like what i've seen of wietse and vmailer/postfix and am very hopefull that it will mature into my replacement for sendmail (i especially like the queuing philosopy, it's great and fills a gaping hole in what sendmail provides). adam. ps. i make no claim to know the full story but the above is how i've interpreted what i've seen.
Re: New IBM sendmail replacement will be free and open source
shaul writes: > that is none other than Vmailer from Wietse Venema... > ... > ...his attitude and few errors I have seen him get caught in, pushed me > away from trying Vmailer. I don't know about errors, but I have been negotiating with him over the Postfix license on debian-legal and he seems calm, rational, and reasonable. -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler) Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, WI
Re: New IBM sendmail replacement will be free and open source
On Thu, Dec 17, 1998 at 04:59:32AM +0200, shaul wrote: > know what he's doing most of the time, but his attitude and few errors I > have seen him get caught in, pushed me away from trying Vmailer. Eh, gimme Exim. -- Steve C. Lamb | Opinions expressed by me are not my http://www.calweb.com/~morpheus| employer's. They hired me for my ICQ: 5107343 | skills and labor, not my opinions! ---+- pgpecMvFNuZaD.pgp Description: PGP signature
New IBM sendmail replacement will be free and open source
The following appeared on my local LUG group. --- Forwarded Message On Mon, 14 Dec 1998, Peter L. Peres wrote: > > http://www.cnn.com/cnnfn/hotstories/deals/wires/9812/14/ibm_wg/ that is none other than Vmailer from Wietse Venema, which other than having a truely scary name fit for a vampire, has something personal against Dan Bernstein and Qmail. He's very active on BugTraq, and seems to know what he's doing most of the time, but his attitude and few errors I have seen him get caught in, pushed me away from trying Vmailer. He renamed it Postfix lately, btw, and now it's just titled "Secure Mailer" on alphaworks. http://www.alphaworks.ibm.com/formula/securemailer - -- Ira Abramov ; whois:IA58 ; www.scso.com ; all around Linux enthusiast `When you say "I wrote a program that crashed Windows", people just stare at you blankly and say "Hey, I got those with the system, *for free*".' (Linus Torvalds) --- End of Forwarded Message
