Re: OGG wont do

[Vaclav Hula]

On Tue, Jun 18, 2002 at 03:06:50PM -0500, Charles Lewis wrote:
> I got grip to rip oggs. Here is my command line in grip:
> 
> /usr/bin/oggenc
> 
> Then I can play them using ogg123, as long as I'm not in KDE. For some
> reason KDE requires control of oss? *shrug*

Yes, KDE (arts subsystem) takes control of /dev/dsp. As always, there are
more ways to deal with it. 

 * Install alsa instead of oss

or

 * before playing files, issue 'artsshell suspend'

or

 * run ogg123 -d arts 

There certaily are more possibilites

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Re: OGG wont do

[martin f krafft]

also sprach Florian Struck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.06.18.2349 +0200]:
> How do you name it?

~/.abcde.conf

it's in the manual pages...

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Re: OGG wont do

[Dale Hair]

> Yep did that allready but i cant figure out yet how to name that file i tried 
> to put it into my home dir with the names .abcde and .abcde.config and both 
> times it used the default configs so i always start it with the -c option.

When I first tried it I would get an error message and it would use the
default.  I found an error in my config file, now it works fine.

> How do you name it?

.abcde.config

> Well anyhow nice proggy =)
> Cheers
> Florian
> 
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Re: OGG wont do

[Florian Struck]

On Tuesday 18 June 2002 23:23, Dale Hair wrote:
> I'm generally a GUI person but I found abcde much easier.  You might
> want to edit etc/abcde.config to suit your preferences or copy it to
> your home directory and modify it.

Yep did that allready but i cant figure out yet how to name that file i tried 
to put it into my home dir with the names .abcde and .abcde.config and both 
times it used the default configs so i always start it with the -c option.
How do you name it?
Well anyhow nice proggy =)
Cheers
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Re: OGG wont do

[Dale Hair]

I'm generally a GUI person but I found abcde much easier.  You might
want to edit etc/abcde.config to suit your preferences or copy it to
your home directory and modify it.

> Hi yep no problem anymore my latest problem was that i lost my xmms config 
> and 
> i forgot that i need to use /dev/dsp1 instead of dsp =) *stupid*
> I tryed oggenc using the comandline tool abcde (nice) im not gonna do grip at 
> all its more comfortable to use one comand to rip the whole shebang =).
> Thanx for all help
> Florian



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Re: OGG wont do

[Florian Struck]

On Tuesday 18 June 2002 22:06, Charles Lewis wrote:

-snip-

>
> The other thing that  I can't figure out is why I can't get xmms to work.
> It just freezes up when I try to play these songs.

I just solved a similar problem go to your output plugin-config in xmms's 
preferences and fill the appropriate sound device (if you got several 
sounddevices as i have a webcam with usb audio that keeps /dev/dsp busy)
hope it helps.

-snippall-

Regards 
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Re: OGG wont do

[Florian Struck]

On Tuesday 18 June 2002 22:12, Steve Juranich wrote:

-snippall--

Hi yep no problem anymore my latest problem was that i lost my xmms config and 
i forgot that i need to use /dev/dsp1 instead of dsp =) *stupid*
I tryed oggenc using the comandline tool abcde (nice) im not gonna do grip at 
all its more comfortable to use one comand to rip the whole shebang =).
Thanx for all help
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Re: OGG wont do

[Steve Juranich]

> > http://students.washington.edu/sjuranic/alright.ogg
> 
> Yep i can hear it sounds good until it stops =) what is it?

It's the first 500 frames of "Feelin' Alright" by Joe Cocker.

> But as it is always the same thing one problem solved the next one comes up 
> =/ 
> i manage to play all mp3's ripped with grip and lame i can play them with 
> noatun (which is IMHO a unatractive player) but with none else =( they are 
> called mp3 now but xmms won't play em mp3blaster not either only noatun.
> i can play all other mp3's and musikcds perfectly with xmms but with those 
> ripped with grip xmms will freeze.
> If someone could tell me the exact options for grip in section mp3 i would be 
> pleased.
> Thanx
> Florian

If you want to encode .ogg's from a cd, do the following:

1) Stick the disk in your cdrom and fire up grip.
2) On the grip interface, click "Config"
3) On the submenu, click on "MP3"
4) On the "Encoder" selector, select 'oggenc'
5) On the MP3 executable, enter "/usr/bin/oggenc"

My advice is to quit monkeying around with lame as your ogg encoder.  
Installing the 'vorbis-tools' package takes < 1M disk space and is highly 
reliable.

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Re: OGG wont do

[Charles Lewis]

I got grip to rip oggs. Here is my command line in grip:

/usr/bin/oggenc

Then I can play them using ogg123, as long as I'm not in KDE. For some
reason KDE requires control of oss? *shrug*

The other thing that  I can't figure out is why I can't get xmms to work. It
just freezes up when I try to play these songs.

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Subject: OGG wont do


Hi i have just tried grip using cdparanoia ripps ok encodes with lame (from
merillat) or gogo but oggs that result are not playable (wav`s play ok)
what do i need to play them?
(got libogg installed also the ogg plugin for xmms)
mp3 no problemo ... getting mad ... lalaaal pheeew *help me* pheeew
Thanks for suggestions.
btw: no errors at all they just dont play.
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Re: OGG wont do

[Florian Struck]

On Tuesday 18 June 2002 18:50, Steve Juranich wrote:
> Okay, here's a small known good OGG file.  At least, I was able to listen
> to it here at home.  I tried to pick something to match your earlier
> indicated musical taste. :)
>
> http://students.washington.edu/sjuranic/alright.ogg

Yep i can hear it sounds good until it stops =) what is it?

But as it is always the same thing one problem solved the next one comes up =/ 
i manage to play all mp3's ripped with grip and lame i can play them with 
noatun (which is IMHO a unatractive player) but with none else =( they are 
called mp3 now but xmms won't play em mp3blaster not either only noatun.
i can play all other mp3's and musikcds perfectly with xmms but with those 
ripped with grip xmms will freeze.
If someone could tell me the exact options for grip in section mp3 i would be 
pleased.
Thanx
Florian


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Re: OGG wont do

[Steve Juranich]

Okay, here's a small known good OGG file.  At least, I was able to listen to 
it here at home.  I tried to pick something to match your earlier indicated 
musical taste. :)

http://students.washington.edu/sjuranic/alright.ogg

You should be able to hear this at home.  Let us know if you can't.

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Re: OGG wont do

[Florian Struck]

On Monday 17 June 2002 23:16, Peter Whysall wrote:

-snip-

>
> Random thought.
>
> Rename that file to blah.mp3 and play it again.
>
> Are you /really/ encoding in OGG format?
>

Hah got ya i am gonna use the random thought prozessor from now on =)
That was it, it looks like a kind of bug in grip it fills in mp3 encoder 
options:

file type = ~/mp3/%A/%d/%n.ogg 
when i switch to lame or gogo, should be mp3 at the end.

Thats wrong! it looks like oggism =)
Actually i dont really care if ogg or mp3 still it would be nice to try a real 
ogg, i'm gonna check out abcde still its recommended later this thread.

-snip-


> Peter.

Thanks for all help now im cured from madness.
Florian


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Re: OGG wont do

[Helgi Örn Helgason]

On Tue, 2002-06-18 at 11:45, Karl E. Jorgensen wrote:
> I don't know of any "out-of-the-box" tools, but something along the
> lines of (Disclaimer: Untested, No warranty, etc):
> 
> mpg123 --stdout somefile.mp3 | \
> oggenc --raw -o somefile.ogg -a ArtistName -l Albumname -t Title ...
> 
> man mpg123 & man oggenc are your friends :-)
> 
> > Is there a seperate Debian multimedia mailinglist?
> 
> Don't know.
> 
Hmmm.. Didn't work as is but I got something to chew on at least...:-)

Thank's
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Re: OGG wont do

[Helgi Örn]

On Tue, 2002-06-18 at 11:32, Mark Janssen wrote:
> There might be, but converting from one lossy audio codec to another
> only makes matters worse, just leave mp3's as mp3's... and ogg's as
> ogg's.
> 
> You could convert them by doing something along these lines. Decode the
> mp3 back to waveforms (output to stdout, or file) and save this in a
> wave-file. Oggenc the wave-file.
> 
> I've done this with some conference recordings which were made in really
> HQ, high bitrate mp3's. I considered this a huge waste of disk (en
> network) space, so I converted them to LQ (q0 or q1) vorbis files.
> 
> For speach this is more then enough (even music sounds acceptable) and
> gave me a huge space saving (192+k/sec -> 40-50k/sec)
> 
> I however do NOT recommend you do this with music or sounds you want to
> keep in a High Quality (just re-record from the original source, if
> available)
> 
Thank's, this was what I suspected. I still wish I could change the format 
of the files I share with p2p from mp3 to ogg...:-/

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Re: OGG wont do

[Karl E. Jorgensen]

On Tue, Jun 18, 2002 at 11:28:46AM +0200, Helgi Örn wrote:
> By the way; I have been looking for a mp3 -> ogg converter without luck,
> does anyone here know if there is one such an app around or if this is
> at all possible?

I don't know of any "out-of-the-box" tools, but something along the
lines of (Disclaimer: Untested, No warranty, etc):

mpg123 --stdout somefile.mp3 | \
oggenc --raw -o somefile.ogg -a ArtistName -l Albumname -t Title ...

man mpg123 & man oggenc are your friends :-)

> Is there a seperate Debian multimedia mailinglist?

Don't know.

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Re: OGG wont do

[Mark Janssen]

On Tue, 2002-06-18 at 11:28, Helgi Örn wrote:
> By the way; I have been looking for a mp3 -> ogg converter without luck,
> does anyone here know if there is one such an app around or if this is
> at all possible?
> Is there a seperate Debian multimedia mailinglist?

There might be, but converting from one lossy audio codec to another
only makes matters worse, just leave mp3's as mp3's... and ogg's as
ogg's.

You could convert them by doing something along these lines. Decode the
mp3 back to waveforms (output to stdout, or file) and save this in a
wave-file. Oggenc the wave-file.

I've done this with some conference recordings which were made in really
HQ, high bitrate mp3's. I considered this a huge waste of disk (en
network) space, so I converted them to LQ (q0 or q1) vorbis files.

For speach this is more then enough (even music sounds acceptable) and
gave me a huge space saving (192+k/sec -> 40-50k/sec)

I however do NOT recommend you do this with music or sounds you want to
keep in a High Quality (just re-record from the original source, if
available)

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Re: OGG wont do

[Helgi Örn]

On Tue, 2002-06-18 at 04:12, Shyamal Prasad wrote:
> "Dale" == Dale Hair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> Dale> Does lame even encode in ogg format, I believe it only does
> Dale> mp3.  Try abcde, it's a debian package and encodes ogg by
> Dale> default.
> 
> Another good choice for ogg ripping is 'jack' (I'm a python bigot, so
> I chose that over abcde ;-)
> 
> Cheers!
> Shyamal
>
By the way; I have been looking for a mp3 -> ogg converter without luck,
does anyone here know if there is one such an app around or if this is
at all possible?
Is there a seperate Debian multimedia mailinglist?

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Re: OGG wont do

[Allan Wind]

On 2002-06-17 21:12:23, Shyamal Prasad wrote:
> Another good choice for ogg ripping is 'jack' (I'm a python bigot, so
> I chose that over abcde ;-)

abcde blows jack out of history.


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Re: OGG wont do

[Shyamal Prasad]

"Dale" == Dale Hair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Dale> Does lame even encode in ogg format, I believe it only does
Dale> mp3.  Try abcde, it's a debian package and encodes ogg by
Dale> default.

Another good choice for ogg ripping is 'jack' (I'm a python bigot, so
I chose that over abcde ;-)

Cheers!
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Re: OGG wont do

[Dale Hair]

Does lame even encode in ogg format, I believe it only does mp3.  Try
abcde, it's a debian package and encodes ogg by default.

On Mon, 2002-06-17 at 15:39, Florian Struck wrote:
> Hi i have just tried grip using cdparanoia ripps ok encodes with lame (from 
> merillat) or gogo but oggs that result are not playable (wav`s play ok)
> what do i need to play them?
> (got libogg installed also the ogg plugin for xmms)
> mp3 no problemo ... getting mad ... lalaaal pheeew *help me* pheeew
> Thanks for suggestions.
> btw: no errors at all they just dont play.
> Florian



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Re: OGG wont do

[Vineet Kumar]

* Florian Struck ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [020617 13:54]:
> On Monday 17 June 2002 22:44, Steve Juranich wrote:
> > Have you tried just playing the .ogg files with ogg123?  Do you have any
> > "KNOWN GOOD"-type of .ogg's?  I'd test with those first to see if it's a
> > problem with your player or with the encoder.
> 
> Hehe just tryed playing with ogg123 it says:
> 
> Error opening mp3/joplin_janis/greatest_hits/piece_of_my_heart.ogg using the 
> oggvorbis module.  The file may be corrupted.
> and ogginfo says:
> 
> -snip-
> stream_integrity=fail
> stream_truncated=true
> header_integrity=fail
> stream_integrity=fail
> stream_truncated=true
> header_integrity=fail
> -snip-
> 

curious; what does 
$ file mp3/joplin_janis/greatest_hits/piece_of_my_heart.ogg
say?

> as i sayd i tryed gogo and lame both times it wont play (using sid)

How about just using oggenc on those wavs?

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Re: OGG wont do

[Peter Whysall]

On Mon, 2002-06-17 at 21:54, Florian Struck wrote:
> On Monday 17 June 2002 22:44, Steve Juranich wrote:
> > Have you tried just playing the .ogg files with ogg123?  Do you have any
> > "KNOWN GOOD"-type of .ogg's?  I'd test with those first to see if it's a
> > problem with your player or with the encoder.
> 
> Hehe just tryed playing with ogg123 it says:
> 
> Error opening mp3/joplin_janis/greatest_hits/piece_of_my_heart.ogg using the 
> oggvorbis module.  The file may be corrupted.

Random thought.

Rename that file to blah.mp3 and play it again.

Are you /really/ encoding in OGG format?

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Re: OGG wont do

[Jan Groenewald]

On Mon, Jun 17, 2002 at 02:03:21PM -0700, Steve Juranich wrote:
> Did you say you used lame to encode the file?  If so, try using oggenc 
> instead 
> (comes in the same package as ogg123).  I've never had a problem with that 
> before.
> 
> I've got some vorbis files that I can point you to, but you'll have to wait 
> until I get home from work. ;)
oggenc, ogg123, cdparanoia and sid works fine for me on 2.2.20, sid.
it's all at http://www.xiph.org

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Re: OGG wont do

[Steve Juranich]

Did you say you used lame to encode the file?  If so, try using oggenc instead 
(comes in the same package as ogg123).  I've never had a problem with that 
before.

I've got some vorbis files that I can point you to, but you'll have to wait 
until I get home from work. ;)

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[Florian Struck]

On Monday 17 June 2002 22:44, Steve Juranich wrote:
> Have you tried just playing the .ogg files with ogg123?  Do you have any
> "KNOWN GOOD"-type of .ogg's?  I'd test with those first to see if it's a
> problem with your player or with the encoder.

Hehe just tryed playing with ogg123 it says:

Error opening mp3/joplin_janis/greatest_hits/piece_of_my_heart.ogg using the 
oggvorbis module.  The file may be corrupted.
and ogginfo says:

-snip-
stream_integrity=fail
stream_truncated=true
header_integrity=fail
stream_integrity=fail
stream_truncated=true
header_integrity=fail
-snip-

as i sayd i tryed gogo and lame both times it wont play (using sid)


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[Florian Struck]

On Monday 17 June 2002 22:44, Steve Juranich wrote:
> Have you tried just playing the .ogg files with ogg123?  Do you have any
> "KNOWN GOOD"-type of .ogg's?  I'd test with those first to see if it's a

Doing ogg the first time i dont have any here got an url?

> problem with your player or with the encoder.
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[Steve Juranich]

Have you tried just playing the .ogg files with ogg123?  Do you have any 
"KNOWN GOOD"-type of .ogg's?  I'd test with those first to see if it's a 
problem with your player or with the encoder.

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OGG wont do

[Florian Struck]

Hi i have just tried grip using cdparanoia ripps ok encodes with lame (from 
merillat) or gogo but oggs that result are not playable (wav`s play ok)
what do i need to play them?
(got libogg installed also the ogg plugin for xmms)
mp3 no problemo ... getting mad ... lalaaal pheeew *help me* pheeew
Thanks for suggestions.
btw: no errors at all they just dont play.
Florian


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