Re: OT: does reporting to spamcop do any good?
On 17.06.06 23:10, Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote: > Has anyone on the list used spamcop ( http://www.spamcop.net/ ) to report > spam? It takes sometime to report the spam. Is it worth investing that much > time? What are your experiences? Are there any better alternatives? I have ocasionally used it (not much because of the time), and imho spamcop is one of the most effective and easy services to hunt spam, also because reported IPs are being blacklisted very fast. When people send abuse reports to us, I advise them to use spamcop. -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; http://www.fantomas.sk/ Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address. Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu. 2B|!2B, that's a question! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: does reporting to spamcop do any good?
On Sun, Jun 18, 2006 at 11:59:56PM +, s. keeling wrote: > Pascal Hakim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > A fair number of people manage to report either their own > > ISPs or mails they've actually signed up to receive (for example, > > this list server has been blacklisted a few times), so you'll need to > > be careful as to what you report, unless you know what you're doing. > > Also agreed. However, Spamcop does appear to be smart enough to > recognize list mail. It goes after the the miscreants, not their > victims. > Spamcop is only smart enough to detect that after someone convinces them that a server they've blacklisted is in fact relaying correctly. How long the machine in question remains blacklisted is up to them. If their parser can't find another machine to blame, they will go back to picking one of the victims. This will be acceptable to some and not to others, this probably depends on how much you want mail to flow through, how much collateral damage you're willing to accept, and whether you used blacklists to block traffic or score negatively. Interestingly, spamcop's system also appears to be entirely IP based when it comes to identifying hosts; I can't decide whether that's a good idea or not. Cheers, Pasc -- Pascal Hakim 0403 411 672 Do Not Bend -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: does reporting to spamcop do any good?
Pascal Hakim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Sun, Jun 18, 2006 at 02:01:55PM +, s. keeling wrote: > > Kamaraju Kusumanchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > Has anyone on the list used spamcop ( http://www.spamcop.net/ ) to > > > report > > > spam? It takes sometime to report the spam. > > > > My procmail scripts report it, based on what spamassassin and > > bogofilter have to say about it. My MUA is mutt and I've defined > > macros which train bf and run w3m on spamcop's reply email. It only > > takes a few seconds to confirm each spam. > > For people following at home, automating the reporting of spam is > discouraged. Hey Pascal. Sorry, that's not what I was suggesting. Spamcop itself supplies a perl script that will automate the *sending* of spam to Spamcop. You still need to go to the URL that Spamcop returns in order to *verify* that what the script sent was Spam. Agreed, that last step cannot, and should not, be done by anything other than human judgement. > A fair number of people manage to report either their own > ISPs or mails they've actually signed up to receive (for example, > this list server has been blacklisted a few times), so you'll need to > be careful as to what you report, unless you know what you're doing. Also agreed. However, Spamcop does appear to be smart enough to recognize list mail. It goes after the the miscreants, not their victims. -- Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. (*)http://www.spots.ab.ca/~keeling Linux Counter #80292 - -http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html Spammers! http://www.spots.ab.ca/~keeling/emails.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: does reporting to spamcop do any good?
On Sun, Jun 18, 2006 at 02:01:55PM +, s. keeling wrote: > Kamaraju Kusumanchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Has anyone on the list used spamcop ( http://www.spamcop.net/ ) to report > > spam? It takes sometime to report the spam. > > My procmail scripts report it, based on what spamassassin and > bogofilter have to say about it. My MUA is mutt and I've defined > macros which train bf and run w3m on spamcop's reply email. It only > takes a few seconds to confirm each spam. For people following at home, automating the reporting of spam is discouraged. A fair number of people manage to report either their own ISPs or mails they've actually signed up to receive (for example, this list server has been blacklisted a few times), so you'll need to be careful as to what you report, unless you know what you're doing. Cheers, Pasc -- Pascal Hakim 0403 411 672 Do Not Bend -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: does reporting to spamcop do any good?
Kamaraju Kusumanchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Has anyone on the list used spamcop ( http://www.spamcop.net/ ) to report > spam? It takes sometime to report the spam. My procmail scripts report it, based on what spamassassin and bogofilter have to say about it. My MUA is mutt and I've defined macros which train bf and run w3m on spamcop's reply email. It only takes a few seconds to confirm each spam. > Is it worth investing that much time? Not really, but it's satisfying. With competing spammer cartels of Russian mafiosi running tens of thousands of machine botnets, there's never going to be any dent made in the spam problem. If you can contrive some way to filter it out, it's likely smarter to just consider it noise and ignore it. -- Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. (*)http://www.spots.ab.ca/~keeling Linux Counter #80292 - -http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html Spammers! http://www.spots.ab.ca/~keeling/emails.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: does reporting to spamcop do any good?
On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 23:10:21 -0400, you wrote: >Has anyone on the list used spamcop ( http://www.spamcop.net/ ) to report >spam? It takes sometime to report the spam. Is it worth investing that much >time? What are your experiences? Are there any better alternatives? I don't report any spam to spamcop, however I do use their dnsbl ... I use 5 dnsbl's, with spamcop last in the list. Occasionally it does catch some spam missed by the other four.
OT: does reporting to spamcop do any good?
Has anyone on the list used spamcop ( http://www.spamcop.net/ ) to report spam? It takes sometime to report the spam. Is it worth investing that much time? What are your experiences? Are there any better alternatives? thanks raju -- http://kamaraju.googlepages.com/cornell-bazaar http://groups.google.com/group/cornell-bazaar/about -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
