Re: Openbox systemd-free
On 17 October 2014 13:02, Pete Orrall p...@cs1x.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 1:03 AM, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote: Hi all, The first task of my project is done. Openbox is systemd-free, and is intended to be systemd free. So that will form the GUI foundation. I'll come back in the next few days with some systemd-free panels that go well with Openbox, as well as a lock program. snip Steve, I use Openbox as my primary wm, along with the following tools for added functionality: tint2 - highly configurable taskbar nitrogen - wallpaper manager obconf - Openbox config tool obmenu - graphical Python app to manage the Openbox menu instead of the XML file openbox-themes - more themes xscreensaver - Create an obmenu entry to lock your system with the following command: xscreensaver-command -lock I created an autostart.sh file in my ~/.config/openbox directory which starts tint2, nitrogen, and xscreensaver upon login. Both tint2 and nitrogen need their config files tweaked after installing the packages. If you'd like, I can send you mine. So far my research is telling me that wicd command line is systemd free (if anyone knows to the contrary, please let me know), so I'll probably put a small front end on wicd. There is a GTK front end package called wicd-gtk. Other wicd front ends exist too: https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=jessiesearchon=nameskeywords=wicd -- Pete Orrall p...@cs1x.com www.peteorrall.com If there isn't a way, I'll make one. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAB43J+L4hKUrpPC3=7dmyrykxusubnuf9yofuazsamw0lvi...@mail.gmail.com Hello On my Jessie laptop with sysvinit, X and IceWM updated to today installing wicd with --no-install-recommends brings dbus, wpasupplicant and wireless-tools with it. So I just use wpasupplicant in roaming mode with wpa-gtk as I need basically wifi in four locations. Not bothering with wicd itself. Cheers -- Keith Burnett http://sohcahtoa.org.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAA6tw_FcFVEUHP8tEHV1egJTXQiPB4VA32Pz6rQ8=ndbpa8...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Openbox systemd-free
On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 20:20:29 +0100 Keith Peter ping.ke...@gmail.com wrote: Hello On my Jessie laptop with sysvinit, X and IceWM updated to today installing wicd with --no-install-recommends brings dbus, wpasupplicant and wireless-tools with it. So I just use wpasupplicant in roaming mode with wpa-gtk as I need basically wifi in four locations. Not bothering with wicd itself. Cheers Nice! This was exactly the kind of stuff I've been looking for. I'll probably ask you more about it later. One look at /etc/wpa_supplicant/functions.sh tells me that wpa_supplicant is a daemon that's begging to be managed by daemontools instead of the unfathomable shellscripts it's now managed by. I spoze one could also make a point for managing it with systemd, but I can't afford the price of that ticket. SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141018162512.7c123...@mydesq2.domain.cxm
Re: Openbox systemd-free
Hi. On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 16:25:12 -0400 Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote: Nice! This was exactly the kind of stuff I've been looking for. I'll probably ask you more about it later. One look at /etc/wpa_supplicant/functions.sh tells me that wpa_supplicant is a daemon that's begging to be managed by daemontools instead of the unfathomable shellscripts it's now managed by. Why would you need always-running wpa_supplicant? The whole point of /etc/wpa_supplicant/functions.sh is to write something like in interfaces(5): iface wlan0 inet manual wpa-roam /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf and to start and stop wpa_supplicant with ifup and ifdown. I spoze one could also make a point for managing it with systemd, but I can't afford the price of that ticket. The beauty of so called 'Roaming Mode' (see README.Debian) is complete independence of implementation of init. As long as init allows ifup and ifdown, of course. Reco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141019010401.272930e8b265c16d64f61...@gmail.com
Re: Openbox systemd-free
Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com writes: (snip) I'll also try to find a systemd-free alternative to LibreOffice, and to Gnumeric (Gnumeric will be tough, it's actually a good program). (snip) LibreOffice is enormously useful for Microsoft Office compatibility. Why on Earth does it require systemd? Can it not be compiled from the source package with different options? (It is nice that Debian tends to make it quite easy to compile locally in a similar way to how the binary packages are generated.) A bit of googling isn't finding me anything about this issue. -- Mark -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/87mw8vf43m@ixod.org
Re: Openbox systemd-free
On Vi, 17 oct 14, 10:16:45, Mark Carroll wrote: Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com writes: (snip) I'll also try to find a systemd-free alternative to LibreOffice, and to Gnumeric (Gnumeric will be tough, it's actually a good program). (snip) LibreOffice is enormously useful for Microsoft Office compatibility. Why on Earth does it require systemd? It isn't. As far as I can tell[1] it has an indirect (via libdbus) dependency on libsystemd, which is *not* the same thing. Same with Gnumeric. [1] debtree --no-recommends libreoffice | grep systemd Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic http://nuvreauspam.ro/gpg-transition.txt signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Openbox systemd-free
On 17/10/14 10:16, Mark Carroll wrote: Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com writes: (snip) I'll also try to find a systemd-free alternative to LibreOffice, and to Gnumeric (Gnumeric will be tough, it's actually a good program). (snip) LibreOffice is enormously useful for Microsoft Office compatibility. Why on Earth does it require systemd? As far as I can easily and quickly determine, LibreOffice doesn't. I therefore conclude that if it does, it'd be because of a chain of dependencies (possibly involving at least one Recommends: step). As it happens, the same goes for Gnumeric. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5440ea10.1020...@zen.co.uk
Re: Openbox systemd-free
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 1:03 AM, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote: Hi all, The first task of my project is done. Openbox is systemd-free, and is intended to be systemd free. So that will form the GUI foundation. I'll come back in the next few days with some systemd-free panels that go well with Openbox, as well as a lock program. snip Steve, I use Openbox as my primary wm, along with the following tools for added functionality: tint2 - highly configurable taskbar nitrogen - wallpaper manager obconf - Openbox config tool obmenu - graphical Python app to manage the Openbox menu instead of the XML file openbox-themes - more themes xscreensaver - Create an obmenu entry to lock your system with the following command: xscreensaver-command -lock I created an autostart.sh file in my ~/.config/openbox directory which starts tint2, nitrogen, and xscreensaver upon login. Both tint2 and nitrogen need their config files tweaked after installing the packages. If you'd like, I can send you mine. So far my research is telling me that wicd command line is systemd free (if anyone knows to the contrary, please let me know), so I'll probably put a small front end on wicd. There is a GTK front end package called wicd-gtk. Other wicd front ends exist too: https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=jessiesearchon=nameskeywords=wicd -- Pete Orrall p...@cs1x.com www.peteorrall.com If there isn't a way, I'll make one. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAB43J+L4hKUrpPC3=7dmyrykxusubnuf9yofuazsamw0lvi...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Openbox systemd-free
On Fri 17 Oct 2014 at 12:50:56 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Vi, 17 oct 14, 10:16:45, Mark Carroll wrote: Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com writes: (snip) I'll also try to find a systemd-free alternative to LibreOffice, and to Gnumeric (Gnumeric will be tough, it's actually a good program). (snip) LibreOffice is enormously useful for Microsoft Office compatibility. Why on Earth does it require systemd? It isn't. As far as I can tell[1] it has an indirect (via libdbus) dependency on libsystemd, which is *not* the same thing. Same with Gnumeric. [1] debtree --no-recommends libreoffice | grep systemd In the first part of his post the OP says The first task of my project is done. Openbox is systemd-free It is actually extremely simple to install openbox without systemd. He makes it appear as though it was a struggle or that it it requires superhumn powers. To repeat: openbox as a WM on Debian without systemd is simplicity itself. Having laid out one bit of misleading information he then carries on to mislead with an implication of libreoffice being linked to systemd. Your information is perfectly correct. I can confirm that libreoffice installs perfectly well withouit systemd with openbox as the WM. Then we have the claim that Gnumeric will be tough. I suppose it will be if you do not know what you are doing. For the record: gnumeric with openbox without systemd is also easy. I doubt that the OP will make alterations to the original post to make his advice fit reality a bit better. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141017200853.gk23...@copernicus.demon.co.uk
Openbox systemd-free
Hi all, The first task of my project is done. Openbox is systemd-free, and is intended to be systemd free. So that will form the GUI foundation. I'll come back in the next few days with some systemd-free panels that go well with Openbox, as well as a lock program. So far my research is telling me that wicd command line is systemd free (if anyone knows to the contrary, please let me know), so I'll probably put a small front end on wicd. I'll also try to find a systemd-free alternative to LibreOffice, and to Gnumeric (Gnumeric will be tough, it's actually a good program). By the way, could somebody do me a favor and, on an installed (not upgraded) Jessie do aptitude show gnumeric to see if it depends on any systemd stuff? I'm also starting to list functionalities provided by the welded on systemd tools so that I can provide them in an elemental way. Thanks, SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141017010321.09818...@mydesq2.domain.cxm
